24 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Yet in spite of all that we’re still under the salary cap, we’ve still managed to attract decent players to the club and pay them, we’ve still managed to re-sign players that easily could have gone elsewhere (Kozzie Pickett, come on down), and we’ve still managed to keep required players (except cough Judd cough McVee).

Your argument is one FOR Lamb, not against him, because in spite of having his hands tied by those payouts, he’s still building and maintaining the list.

What?

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

For those that have bagged Lamb in the past (me included), this from Ken Hinkley just then:

“I’m not surprised Tim Lamb was sought after by Adelaide. He’s highly regarded around the league.

But surely our Demonland peanut gallery knows more than AFL insiders? I'm surprised by that.

10 hours ago, DubDee said:

Weird that top 8 teams are trying to head hunt him huh?

Tim Lamb over his time at Melbourne has clearly done some good stuff like others who have now departed the club. But I would have been happy to see a change in his role.

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

1 minute ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

Tomo was unlucky with injury and then favourtism.

Grundy was worth a punt.
a lot of the others were depth additions but agreed most didn't work out as well a we would have liked

He'll need to weave some magic from here on in though.

6 minutes ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

Just run us through the players who changed clubs over those years that we could afford that Lamb missed on.

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

Early days, but what about Mihocek and Steel? They look like good pick-ups.

Also surely it's also other football department minds like Alan Richardson etc that contribute to uncontracted and traded player selection?

6 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Just run us through the players who changed clubs over those years that we could afford that Lamb missed on.

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

10 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Early days, but what about Mihocek and Steel? They look like good pick-ups.

Also surely it's also other football department minds like Alan Richardson etc that contribute to uncontracted and traded player selection?

Yes - Mihocek and Steele great gets. Not denying that. Body of work though...

12 minutes ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Yes - Mihocek and Steele great gets. Not denying that. Body of work though...

You also mentioned Langdon, Lever, May (Were Hibbo and Melksham pre or post Lamb).

'Maybe' Sharp 'might' prove to be value for money in time.

Big Ben Brown was a win overall, even if only short lived.

You've got to ballance the body of work. Same as recruiting from the draft - not every pick is a winner.

I'd also agree that Tommo was value over the journey. When you sum up all those guys, it's about a 50/50 hit rate.

On the flip side, not all of the players we've traded elsewhere have gone on to acheive big things. It's somewhat the nature of the beast.

Most importantly, in trading in Langdon, Lever, May, Big Ben Brown and Hibbo we did put in place some critical missing pieces of a premiership team, so overall, I think our trading and picking up of out of contract players over the journey was on the money.

51 minutes ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

I

We were discussing post our Flag in 21...Prior to that he helped build a list that won us the Flag so I'm surprised you have a problem with his work prior to 2021.

1 hour ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

You also need to include the management of draft positions as part of his job. Trading is inextricably linked with the draft via the positions in the draft that Lamb engineers for us by the trades he makes. Jason Taylor then gets to make choices from those positions. I would have thought for this part of his job, Lamb has been exceptional.

48 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I

We were discussing post our Flag in 21...Prior to that he helped build a list that won us the Flag so I'm surprised you have a problem with his work prior to 2021.

Did you not see I acknowledged Lever May and Langdon as key cogs? 21 flag also had fair bit to do with nailing first round picks/other picks as part of JT's brief.

Lambs issue is his body of work

The last off-season was basically the best list management we've had in years. Really clear direction from the club. Reminiscent of when Roos came on board.

1 hour ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Did you not see I acknowledged Lever May and Langdon as key cogs? 21 flag also had fair bit to do with nailing first round picks/other picks as part of JT's brief.

Lambs issue is his body of work

Had we got any of the post 21 players you list we would have had to offer up draft picks and big contracts. The picks we used on the likes of Langford, Windsor etc. I get the dissatisfaction of our trades but they cost us nothing and Goodwin was steadfast in his belief up to the end of 23 that his plan and players would net another flag. I maintain had we not lost Petty, Melksham and Gus that 23 Flag would be ours and Lamb would be part of that success. The fact Collingwood won............

20 hours ago, poita said:

How much of our 2026 salary cap is Lamb paying to players who are no longer at the club? Oliver, Brayshaw, May, ...

He is completely unaccountable for his decision making - no wonder he wants to stay. The only safer roles would be working for the Victorian Government.

Very keen to see you repost your objections to those 3 contracts when they were signed.

Edited yesterday at 03:001 day by old55

5 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

People often confuse Lamb's job with Taylor's. Jason Taylor has been the guru that has drafted the young talent.

Tim Lamb is in charge of contracts and adding players from other clubs. His record over the journey, apart from Lever, Langdon and May has been awful:

• McAdam

• Grundy

• Tomlinson

• Hunter

• Schache

• Billings

• Fullarton

• Dunstan

Had we recruited better in 21/22/23, I am certain we would have been in a better spot to get another flag. Sides that go back to back/win another in short succession have turnover of list or ADD quality.

Having said that, there is more work in his role (e.g. contracts) where he has done well/there have been things out of his control, like Clarry's contract (Best player in comp (arguably) in 22 when mega deal was done), Brayshaw (weren't to know that Maynard would end his career and not get suspended for it), Kozzie deal - big tick...

I don't disagree with any of that. There are some disastrous names there.

However I think the industry rates Lamb as he's very innovative and proactive with his trading of draft picks to allow the guru (Taylor) to do his best work.

I've heard Cal Twomey and Riley Beverage mention that the MFC are one of the leaders when it comes to the trading of draft picks.

1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I don't disagree with any of that. There are some disastrous names there.

However I think the industry rates Lamb as he's very innovative and proactive with his trading of draft picks to allow the guru (Taylor) to do his best work.

I've heard Cal Twomey and Riley Beverage mention that the MFC are one of the leaders when it comes to the trading of draft picks.

Trading all your second and third rounders to move up three spots and grab Tholstrup? Genius !

5 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

Yeah, but besides that, what have the Roman's ever done???

5 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

Realistically the only three that we’ve been in for are Houston, Cerra & Flanders. Cerra we had over the line but couldn’t afford him at the time and has battled injury since so you could view that as a dodged bullet, Lamb had Houston in the bag until some ex players blew up the media and Houston got cold feet and we weren’t willing to give up our high end first round pick Langford > Houston especially long term & Flanders basically went to the highest bidder and if he doesn’t go to St Kilda we may not get Steele.

1 hour ago, Greg Schneider said:

Trading all your second and third rounders to move up three spots and grab Tholstrup? Genius !

The most negative poster on here, Greg. Congratulations.

3 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

The most negative poster on here, Greg. Congratulations.

oh ok sorry that just never happened then i guess

I see Demonland’s resident “Monday morning quarterbacks” have come to this thread in force…

6 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

You can't just make a list of players traded in the last few years and suggest any one of them could have come to Melbourne, without considering their individual circumstances, their own desires about destination, our salary cap, our needs and our trading currency.

For some of those players we would have had to give up picks that later resulted in players like Windsor, Langford and Lindsay. Or Taylor and Pickett #2. We'll be better off in the long run with the picks imho.

I'd also happily avoid some of those on the list due to perpetual injury or the salary expense we would have incurred. The days of the "messiah" are long gone (let's see how St Kilda ends up in the long run). Some, like Joe Daniher, were over-rated in terms of trading cost, and he (like Curnow) wanted to get out of Melbourne anyway. Rohan and Lipinski are a bit meh.

And I wouldn't have touched Bailey Smith or Tanner Bruhn with a barge pole.

7 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Really?

Tom Lynch
Gary Rohan
Jeremy Cameron
Dan Houston
Darcy Cameron
Joe Daniher
Jack Higgins
George Hewett
Adam Cerra
Pat Lipinski
Karl Amon
Dan McStay
Tanner Bruhn
Jack Bowes
Josh Dunkley
Josh Battle
Jack Macrae
Bailey Smith
Oscar Allen
Tom De Koning
Charlie Curnow
Sam Flanders

We could have afforded anyone. He didn't get deals done that would have benefitted the club, and instead chose players who were barely VFL standard/not getting games

R and B Flame, up until the end of ‘25 our salary cap was very limited, Tom Lynch ($1.6m) didn’t want to leave Tiges, Jeremy Cameron, Joe Daniher, Karl Amon, Josh Dunkley, Bailey Smith, Allan, de Kooning and Curnow were Never coming to Melbourne. Some of The players we picked up were cheap and were mainly depth as we had no spare coin for all or any of the high cost players you have listed. Post ‘25 we may have some cash left to start adding to our list But be reasonable.