How do we get 2 really good ball users to the club for next season? That’s all this team needs to reset. Simmena? Bergman? Draft pick? I’d love Jackson but how to get it all. Tradeables: some think Oliver (I’m not sure unless the return was high enough) Then there’s guys like Rivers, Sparrow, McVee? Would you can use them to swap for a better ball user? We ain’t getting them for free and it’s what we need. Some brave decisions needed.

Have just come back from picking up my 17 year old daughter from a party....as part of the uber service I seem to provide. Turned on the radio as I travelled from one side of the Peninsula to the other. Generally don't listen to SEN Talk back but a bloke got on and basically said that we were crazy if we thought Goodwin, Oliver, Petracca, Richardson, Viney were going to take us back to the success of 2021. He's right.

As unpalatable as it seems, we now have to be ruthless. Delusional to think we can compete in the next 4 years so it's time to move some big players, thank them for their service and stop pretending.

Other clubs have bitten the bullet and are coming out the other side. Hawthorn springs to mind.

New President, new CFO, and a major clean out.

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by Return to Glory

And in a perfect world, I'd get Corey Enright in and have a Longmire or even a Hinkley beside him. Others may differ.

Just now, Return to Glory said:

Have just come back from picking up my 17 year old daughter from a party....as part of the uber service I seem to provide. Turned on the radio as I travelled from one side of the Peninsula to the other. Generally don't listen to SEN Talk back but a bloke got on and basically said that we were crazy if we thought Goodwin, Oliver, Petracca, Richardson, Viney were going to take us back to the success of 2021. He's right.

As unpalatable as it seems, we now have to be ruthless. Delusional to think we can compete in the next 4 years so it's time to thank some big players, thank them for their service and stop pretending.

Other clubs have bitten the bullet and are coming out the other side. Hawthorn springs to mind.

New President, new CFO, and a major clean out.

Heard the same caller. It made me sad but it's the truth. We had 13 premiership players + 4 top 10 picks plus three more first round picks tonight. If it's not working then either tough calls need to be made about the top end of the playing list or you need to make a decision on the coach and football department. If we go into next season with the same core list we are crazy.

We badly need to start injecting Rivers and JVR into the midfield. Viney and Oliver imo need to be moved on. We need to make the tough call as Collingwood did with Grundy, Treloar and Adams. We are going to push these young stars away. Petracca also needs a full game up forward. Just as that caller said we are forcing the hand of these young players who are crying out to give us some much needed pace and drive. We are wasting Riveds and McVee by having them languish down back.

3 minutes ago, praha said:

Heard the same caller. It made me sad but it's the truth. We had 13 premiership players + 4 top 10 picks plus three more first round picks tonight. If it's not working then either tough calls need to be made about the top end of the playing list or you need to make a decision on the coach and football department. If we go into next season with the same core list we are crazy.

We badly need to start injecting Rivers and JVR into the midfield. Viney and Oliver imo need to be moved on. We need to make the tough call as Collingwood did with Grundy, Treloar and Adams. We are going to push these young stars away. Petracca also needs a full game up forward. Just as that caller said we are forcing the hand of these young players who are crying out to give us some much needed pace and drive. We are wasting Riveds and McVee by having them languish down back.

Praha, Viney is a problem as I can't think of a club who'd want him. Sydney got in fast and sent them Luke Parker.

To answer the question of this thread - yes, it is time to start a rebuild

The only problem is we should have started moving on players a year or two ago - instead we’ve felt the need to keep our senior players at all costs like it’s a PR exercise to cover up how poorly the club has been tracking

Don’t get me wrong - I love all of our 2021 champions - but this group has gone as far as it can and 2026 is going to be even worse if tough decisions aren’t made

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by demoncat

Just now, demoncat said:

To answer the question of this thread - yes, it is time to start a rebuild

The only problem is we should have started moving on players a year or two ago - instead we’ve felt the need to keep our senior players at all costs like it’s a PR exercise to cover up how poorly the club has been tracking

Don’t get me wrong - I love all of our 2021 champions - but this group has gone as far as it can

And that was probably as a consequence of being so starved of success, that it then became to harder to let go. It was perhaps all a bit new.

50 minutes ago, demoncat said:

To answer the question of this thread - yes, it is time to start a rebuild

The only problem is we should have started moving on players a year or two ago - instead we’ve felt the need to keep our senior players at all costs like it’s a PR exercise to cover up how poorly the club has been tracking

Don’t get me wrong - I love all of our 2021 champions - but this group has gone as far as it can and 2026 is going to be even worse if tough decisions aren’t made

Every week that goes by, i lose a bit more confidence on our ability to contend again in the next short while. Its not easy being a quality side and a lot of things have to go right. A lot of things. Right now, there is so much wrong with our club, it is hard to see things turning around in the next 3-4 years at least. If our next president and CEO are good leaders (a big if), it will take at least another 1-2 years for their influence and decisions making starting to deliver.

We lack a lot of leadership within the playing group aside from Max. Our game style is not working - largely due to the fact that we don't have the required personnel. Our youth, for which we had so much riding on, appears to be struggling. Our development has gone backwards. I just don't believe anymore that there is a positive culture within our club.

Meanwhile, the northern clubs are getting talent basically handed to them, Tassie is around the corner which will be another vacuum on talent.

17 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

Its not easy being a quality side and a lot of things have to go right.

It’s hard for the MFC to be a Quality Side, Other Teams just front up every year and do what’s required.

I have said it most weeks this year. The Club does not demand High enough standards right through the Building.

Peter Jackson demanded High Standards and look what happened. He then left, and we are a mere shadow

Our Skill level on the field is terrible most of the time, with 10 minutes of total Blitzkrieg sporadically.

The Members of Perennial Top Clubs would not put up with the output from our Football Department and why should we??

We Sell Home Games in the NT and then go up there and play bad football most years (The Game is almost Secondary)

This Club had a Huge chance to Sort itself out, but it has Crashed badly.

This New CEO better have balls of steel, he has to get the whole Club working in unison as PJ did, really tough decisions must be made very soon after he arrives

6 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Have just come back from picking up my 17 year old daughter from a party....as part of the uber service I seem to provide. Turned on the radio as I travelled from one side of the Peninsula to the other. Generally don't listen to SEN Talk back but a bloke got on and basically said that we were crazy if we thought Goodwin, Oliver, Petracca, Richardson, Viney were going to take us back to the success of 2021. He's right.

As unpalatable as it seems, we now have to be ruthless. Delusional to think we can compete in the next 4 years so it's time to move some big players, thank them for their service and stop pretending.

Other clubs have bitten the bullet and are coming out the other side. Hawthorn springs to mind.

New President, new CFO, and a major clean out.

It is diabolical that 2 of the players you have identified to move on are pretty much at the absolute peak age for contributing to team success in a football career. Other clubs who've bitten the bullet have generally done so when the players are well past peak and they are being acquired externally for their leadership more than their on field performance.

Until we understand and address the perennial issue of why almost every single MFC player regresses in terms of their contribution to the team in their peak years, this ongoing cycle of being a below average football club will repeat.

What hope do our young players have when relying on these types of players for how to go about their careers? We get nowhere near the output back for the investment we make in the top end players on our list. The leadership in terms of how they've helped the club both on and off the field is appalling.

I think we do need to bite the bullet and move them on...but for it to have come to this is absolutely shameful.

7 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

And in a perfect world, I'd get Corey Enright in and have a Longmire or even a Hinkley beside him. Others may differ.

I agree on Corey Enright RTG. I’m hearing good things about him coming from St Kilda fans and I think he is gettable. I’d pair him up with Bartel who is in demand and would be harder to convince.

One of Clarry or Trac needs to be moved on and Clarry has more trade value. Trac provides more leadership with his training standards and the club needs to keep such leaders to drive improvement for our next tilt to finals. The team also needs players who can play in different positions and Clarry does not provide much, other than being a midfielder. My concern is Clarry will get back to his best at another club.

I am sick of our forward line playing defensive half forwards but we need at least one. Viney can play this role. This means Spargo and Spaz either play at Casey as back up and depth, or if we can get good value in trade, trade them.

The club needs to focus on recruiting fast attacking midfielders and small forwards who have smarts and pace. Prasad is a year too young unfortunately and he will come to us in 2027. With Prasad coming our way, at least we can play around with next year’s draft picks, focus on points and trade out the higher picks to bring in players this year.

We have no first round pick this year

We are not a destination club so luting players who can have an impact will be difficult

We have minimal currency to entice players here anyway with limited draft picks and players on big long term deals

Given the above we must turn over our list to free up cap space and get some currency to bring in better ball users and even up the demographic of the list. We are in very poor shape and are looking down the barrel of a long time in the wilderness (again). Our recent draftees are hit and miss and we have no KP depth to take over from our older players when they retire in the next year or two.

The worst thing we could do is let the current group continue and trade out future draft picks trying to top up the current list. Thank God we missed out on Houston last year, that's the kind of bone headed recruiting that will set us back long term.

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s hard for the MFC to be a Quality Side, Other Teams just front up every year and do what’s required.

I have said it most weeks this year. The Club does not demand High enough standards right through the Building.

Peter Jackson demanded High Standards and look what happened. He then left, and we are a mere shadow

Our Skill level on the field is terrible most of the time, with 10 minutes of total Blitzkrieg sporadically.

The Members of Perennial Top Clubs would not put up with the output from our Football Department and why should we??

We Sell Home Games in the NT and then go up there and play bad football most years (The Game is almost Secondary)

This Club had a Huge chance to Sort itself out, but it has Crashed badly.

This New CEO better have balls of steel, he has to get the whole Club working in unison as PJ did, really tough decisions must be made very soon after he arrives

SWYL, I think you're spot on here. I remember when Hawthorn moved players on, there was a real fear for them as to how far they'd gone. I've come around to thinking that we have to be every bit as ruthless. It should feel uncomfortable. It should be daunting. What we're doing now is not the answer.

1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

SWYL, I think you're spot on here. I remember when Hawthorn moved players on, there was a real fear for them as to how far they'd gone. I've come around to thinking that we have to be every bit as ruthless. It should feel uncomfortable. It should be daunting. What we're doing now is not the answer.

Hawthorn expect to be good, Melbourne just hopes to not be [censored]

1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

SWYL, I think you're spot on here. I remember when Hawthorn moved players on, there was a real fear for them as to how far they'd gone. I've come around to thinking that we have to be every bit as ruthless. It should feel uncomfortable. It should be daunting. What we're doing now is not the answer.

We have to be very careful who is moved on, players or Coaches. It may only need to be 1-2 people, but the right decisions must be made

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We have to be very careful who is moved on, players or Coaches. It may only need to be 1-2 people, but the right decisions must be made

2 players need to be moved on for the right draft capital.

Either couple from this list.

Fritta, Lever, Clarry, Viney,

It needs to happen, we need to get back into the 1st round of the draft this year.

It hurts, it will hurt but we need top end talent coming through the door yearly.

Of those 4 names mentioned Fritta and Clarry hold the most value obviously but a Viney and Lever combo could help Norf culturally.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

List changes since 2021

Out:

Senior
2 Nathan Jones
4 James Harmes
6 Luke Jackson
10 Angus Brayshaw
12 Toby Bedford
14 Michael Hibberd
19 Fraser Rosman
20 Adam Tomlinson
22 Aaron vandenBerg
26 Sam Weideman
29 Jayden Hunt
30 Alex Neal-Bullen
33 Oskar Baker
39 Neville Jetta
41 Jay Lockhart
44 **** *****
46 Austin Bradtke
50 Ben Brown

Rookie
23 James Jordon
27 Aaron Nietschke
28 Majak Daw
34 Deakyn Smith
38 Mitch Brown
40 Kye Declase


In:

Senior
2 Jacob van Rooyen
4 Judd McVee
6 Caleb Windsor
12 Koltyn Tholstrup
14 Jack Billings
19 Harvey Langford
20 Xavier Lindsay
21 Matthew Jefferson
22 Blake Howes
23 Shane McAdam
26 Jed Adams
29 Tom Campbell
30 Harry Sharp
33 Tom Fullarton
40 Taj Woewodin

Rookie
28 Will Verrall
38 Oliver Sestan
39 Ricky Mentha
41 Kynan Brown
42 Aidan Johnson
43 Jack Henderson
44 Luker Kentfield
45 Andy Moniz-Wakefield
46 Jai Culley


Definitely a few outs that set us back and somes misses with the ins, but it's not like we have been sitting on our hands doing nothing.

We are rebuilding on the fly, which to me is a much more palatable route to take than completely bottoming out like West Coast, North or Richmond


Edit - these are players that were on our list in 2021 compared to now. Haven't included guys like Grundy who have come and gone during that time.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by JTR

All the talk about rebuilds, but I don’t see it. The list is still good enough and if it weren’t for self killing moments/performances against Pies, Hawks, Saints, Port and Adelaide, we should be winning those 5 winnable matches and we are right inside the 8 as we speak. We were legitimately a chance to make finals.

A reset is more like it and I’m a fan of Jaymie Graham. He was the forward coach at West Coast during their top 4 era and 2018 flag and apart of the Fremantle coaching setup who is willing to adapt and change in accordingly. Yeah, they are chokers, but at least Longmire and co actually accepted the need to change up their style. Remember how they were a dour, high uncontested marking team to a more attacking team pre their 5-6 win run which in turn made them a top 8 contender?

Someone like Graham would be similar to Craig McCrae and Kingsley in the sense of having done the apprenticeship, fresh to coaching and is ready to come in and make an immediate impact. He seems like the perfect rookie coach to rejuvenate the players while we still have the likes of Gawn, May and Melksham at their peak and make another couple runs at a flag.

I’m not entirely convinced Leppitsch, Buckley or even Longmire can come in and for certain change our fortunes.

At the moment, seeing us lose in the same manner every week under Goodwin is utter dross. Watching us trying to chain possessions together is the equivalent of nails on chalkboard.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by VNightCityLegend

22 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

2 players need to be moved on for the right draft capital.

Either couple from this list.

Fritta, Lever, Clarry, Viney,

It needs to happen, we need to get back into the 1st round of the draft this year.

It hurts, it will hurt but we need top end talent coming through the door yearly.

Of those 4 names mentioned Fritta and Clarry hold the most value obviously but a Viney and Lever combo could help Norf culturally.

We need Talent from the 24-28 Age Group next year

The trading over the last 4 years has hurt us very badly

All of them have been busts

Pies got rid Treloar’ and Grundy but it is father son of two by Daicos that has saved them!

4 hours ago, VNightCityLegend said:

All the talk about rebuilds, but I don’t see it. The list is still good enough and if it weren’t for self killing moments/performances against Pies, Hawks, Saints, Port and Adelaide, we should be winning those 5 winnable matches and we are right inside the 8 as we speak. We were legitimately a chance to make finals.

A reset is more like it and I’m a fan of Jaymie Graham. He was the forward coach at West Coast during their top 4 era and 2018 flag and apart of the Fremantle coaching setup who is willing to adapt and change in accordingly. Yeah, they are chokers, but at least Longmire and co actually accepted the need to change up their style. Remember how they were a dour, high uncontested marking team to a more attacking team pre their 5-6 win run which in turn made them a top 8 contender?

Someone like Graham would be similar to Craig McCrae and Kingsley in the sense of having done the apprenticeship, fresh to coaching and is ready to come in and make an immediate impact. He seems like the perfect rookie coach to rejuvenate the players while we still have the likes of Gawn, May and Melksham at their peak and make another couple runs at a flag.

I’m not entirely convinced Leppitsch, Buckley or even Longmire can come in and for certain change our fortunes.

At the moment, seeing us lose in the same manner every week under Goodwin is utter dross. Watching us trying to chain possessions together is the equivalent of nails on chalkboard.

I agree. This is a top 8 side. Last night's performance was embarrassing. Even as the best team. The entire past 12 months has been a huge dent on Goodwin's legacy. We have lost all respect that we built across 2021-2023. The real concern is our window is shutting quickly. Goodwin will coach next year but if it doesn't turn around he's done.