The Harry Armstrong Thread

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3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He’d be a fantastic pick 9 and a perfectly fine pick at 5.

There’s way too much attachment to these midfielders.

I'm curious to know how many of these players have you seen live in action?

I take opinions on here with a grain of salt. 

Cal Twomey, who I have utmost respect for, was asked on Gettable who he thought was his certainties for a Top 10 selection. He listed the top 5 mids + Tauru. He then listed 5-6 players who are likely to be in the mix for a top 10 selection, and Harry Armstrong wasn't one of them.

I get the impression that he doesn't rate him as highly as some Demonlanders, although he expects a club like St. Kilda to take him based on needs rather than best available.

 

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43 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Cal Twomey pretty much always gets the top 6-8 players correct (not the exact order, just those picked in this range). You're not considering him an expert which is fine but his record speaks for itself. He certainly ranks the top 8 players in this years draft as mids. But I actually kind of agree that a few of the mids won't be as good as the two KP players picked in that mix. I think Armstrong and Tauru are certainly ahead of Reid who I think might slide (hoping saints pick him with one of their first picks).

October form guides:

2019: Jackson at 14, Pickett nowhere 

2023: Windsor at 11

2021: Mac Andrew at 9

Twomey is an amalgamator of experts drip fed knowledge. He’s got way too many journo responsibilities during the afl season to be a proper expert.

The best mids often identify themselves easily. The talls and special flankers are trickier to place. I think Tauru absolutely belongs towards the top and I’m warming to the idea Armstrong does too. 

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4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He’d be a fantastic pick 9 and a perfectly fine pick at 5.

There’s way too much attachment to these midfielders.

So they should. Much better chance they succeed at AFL level then someone like a  Armstrong who will take about 6-7 years before they reach their full capacity and make some significant impact at AFL level.

Armstrong is Weideman all over.

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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So they should. Much better chance they succeed at AFL level then someone like a  Armstrong who will take about 6-7 years before they reach their full capacity and make some significant impact at AFL level.

Armstrong is Weideman all over.

Or he’s a Logan Morris a plays in a flag in year 1, or a Cal Dear and has a great first year. Or a forward line Luke Jackson and is a key part of a premiership year 2.

I get the doubts, but watch the tape, he moves completely differently to Weid.

Safety has never been a JT factor at the top of the draft. You don’t take Oliver over Parish or draft LJ if you want safety.

We also have the 2 picks. If Tauru goes to North and the Saints take at least one non mid we’re choosing the 4th best mid at 5 or the 6th best mid at 9. If they are all such good players then we’ll be fine doing that too!

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Safety has never been a JT factor at the top of the draft. You don’t take Oliver over Parish or draft LJ if you want safety.

It took me a little while to realise you were talking about Luke Jackson here.

Was about to say that LJ was well before JT's time - fairly sure he did have a chance, but chose against it

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On 26/10/2024 at 17:50, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Nothing against Armstrong but we have lost Brayshaw, Harmes, JJ, Dunstan etc and we replaced them with?????The midfield cupboard is bare at Casey. You can have JVR, Jefferson, Armstrong and Jesus Christ in our forward line but if we persist with slow ball movement and blindly bombing the ball into a congested forwardline I don’t care who you are, you are going to struggle to score. And we do. 
 I get where you are coming from it is a bit of what comes first the chicken or the egg. I think we need midfield depth with quality ball users. We have the personnel in our forward line to get the job done, however there is no doubt we need a better system down there or players having clearly defined roles and they need to be made accountable for playing their role. 

Jesus has a basketball background, apparently...

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1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

October form guides:

2019: Jackson at 14, Pickett nowhere 

2023: Windsor at 11

2021: Mac Andrew at 9

Twomey is an amalgamator of experts drip fed knowledge. He’s got way too many journo responsibilities during the afl season to be a proper expert.

The best mids often identify themselves easily. The talls and special flankers are trickier to place. I think Tauru absolutely belongs towards the top and I’m warming to the idea Armstrong does too. 

haha I thought you would pick out the outliers!

I'll add one

2016 - Taranto at 8 (ended up pick 2)

Perhaps I should have worded this more carefully. Twomey *generally* gets it right and yes you're probably right he is drip fed info from the true experts as you say. Comparatively in other years a month out he got the top 6 right in 2017, 2018, 2020 and 2022. So you're right he's not the most accurate.

@DeeSpencer you seem to have a very firm understanding of this draft. I trust your judgement of Armstrong as someone who knows his game well. Were you able to get down to see him live? Would be keen to know how you thought he looked in person as opposed to the others on this thread just going off of youtube clips and Lloyds gushing over him in reports.

I went down to see two games of his this year for Sandy where he was pretty solid. In those games he played deeper and less involved. Would like to have seen him presenting further up the ground as its been reported. Could be a Jeremy Cameron type player with his elite agility which would be fantastic for us.

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8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Or he’s a Logan Morris a plays in a flag in year 1, or a Cal Dear and has a great first year. Or a forward line Luke Jackson and is a key part of a premiership year 2.

I get the doubts, but watch the tape, he moves completely differently to Weid.

Safety has never been a JT factor at the top of the draft. You don’t take Oliver over Parish or draft LJ if you want safety.

We also have the 2 picks. If Tauru goes to North and the Saints take at least one non mid we’re choosing the 4th best mid at 5 or the 6th best mid at 9. If they are all such good players then we’ll be fine doing that too!

It's not about safety, it's the fact that our midfield depth is a bigger need then forward. 

After Rivers who is 24 we have zero up and coming midfield talent coming through. Petracca, Oliver, Viney are all about to hit their 30's and then there is a significant drop.

Armstrong's no different to Weideman in his draft year. Too many double grab marks or dropped marks that forwards should eat up, 2nd efforts non existent and lackadaisical in his approach.

Riak Andrew, a rookie list propsect completely shut him down in a Coates game at the back end of the year and his poor body language and laziness was on show for everyone to see. Barely put up a fight.

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It's not about safety, it's the fact that our midfield depth is a bigger need then forward. 

After Rivers who is 24 we have zero up and coming midfield talent coming through. Petracca, Oliver, Viney are all about to hit their 30's and then there is a significant drop.

Armstrong's no different to Weideman in his draft year. Too many double grab marks or dropped marks that forwards should eat up, 2nd efforts non existent and lackadaisical in his approach.

Riak Andrew, a rookie list propsect completely shut him down in a Coates game at the back end of the year and his poor body language and laziness was on show for everyone to see. Barely put up a fight.

So we should be drafting for need at 5 and 9?

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I'll have to disagree slightly on dazz re Armstrong. He's far more athletic and agile than Weideman and better when the ball hits the deck. Would say his leading patterns are much better as well. His one wood is marking on the lead which he gets from good acceleration allowing him to get separation from his opponent. Agree contested marking isn't the strongest part of his game but he's capable and took some good ones in the game vs country.

Riak Andrew also smashed Shanahan late in the year, has claimed a number of scalps this season.

Not using this for an argument for selecting him, though I do see some merit in acquiring a key positon player this draft.

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17 hours ago, Nascent said:

I'm warming to the idea of Armstrong.

 

It’s decidedly warm up here…

Harry Armstrong

l’ve got it now…

 

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1 hour ago, mo64 said:

I'm curious to know how many of these players have you seen live in action?

I take opinions on here with a grain of salt. 

Cal Twomey, who I have utmost respect for, was asked on Gettable who he thought was his certainties for a Top 10 selection. He listed the top 5 mids + Tauru. He then listed 5-6 players who are likely to be in the mix for a top 10 selection, and Harry Armstrong wasn't one of them.

I get the impression that he doesn't rate him as highly as some Demonlanders, although he expects a club like St. Kilda to take him based on needs rather than best available.

 

Twomey also had Armstrong going at 10 in his September ratings and 9 in his October ratings.

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Hope we go Riak Andrew 👌😜

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34 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It's not about safety, it's the fact that our midfield depth is a bigger need then forward. 

After Rivers who is 24 we have zero up and coming midfield talent coming through. Petracca, Oliver, Viney are all about to hit their 30's and then there is a significant drop.

Armstrong's no different to Weideman in his draft year. Too many double grab marks or dropped marks that forwards should eat up, 2nd efforts non existent and lackadaisical in his approach.

Riak Andrew, a rookie list propsect completely shut him down in a Coates game at the back end of the year and his poor body language and laziness was on show for everyone to see. Barely put up a fight.

 

12 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I'll have to disagree slightly on dazz re Armstrong. He's far more athletic and agile than Weideman and better when the ball hits the deck. Would say his leading patterns are much better as well. His one wood is marking on the lead which he gets from good acceleration allowing him to get separation from his opponent. Agree contested marking isn't the strongest part of his game but he's capable and took some good ones in the game vs country.

Riak Andrew also smashed Shanahan late in the year, has claimed a number of scalps this season.

Not using this for an argument for selecting him, though I do see some merit in acquiring a key positon player this draft.

Ok I’m sold- let’s sign up Riak

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On 29/10/2024 at 10:04, Axis of Bob said:

The more straightforward thing to read from our interest in Derksen is that we are still looking at adding key forwards to our list. That’s likely to mean that the Demonland consensus of ‘draft midfielders at any cost’ is not shared by the club.

Even more straightforward a read is the club is investing time in mature age recruitment of key forwards. So I don’t know if the last bit about the draft is extrapolation.