How Chris Scott differs from other AFL coaches

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A different Cat: How Chris Scott differs from other AFL coaches

This is an interesting article written by the well respected Jake Niall from the Age. In his article, Jake delves into what differentiates the long-serving Scott from coaches at rival clubs. He mentions Melbourne a few times on how certain incidents would have been handled differently. An example is when he quotes a past player saying that the Petracca saga would never have happened at Geelong.

I come away thinking that Goody does possess a number of these traits and believe he is the right person that can follow in Scott's footsteps. The big concern, sadly, is the stark difference in the administrations.

I can copy and paste the article but am not sure whether I am allowed to.

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I'm not sure I see the comparison. Scott is one of the best public communicators I've seen and a master tactician. Goodwin is neither of those things.

Scott had made finals in all but two seasons in 14 years. Goodwin has made finals in four of eight seasons.

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Most coaches are either unbelievable people managers ala "Ted Lasso" or they have incredible tactical nous and game sense and see trends ahead of time ala "Nathan Shelly" but rarely both. 

The best coaches that go down as all time greats like Clarko, Dimma, Scott, Sheedy, Malthouse, Matthews and the list goes on, are a combination of the two. 

The Cats players would crawl over broken glass for Chris Scott, but i am supremely confident they'll win this flag because  Chris Scott with a healthy list, and time to plan is virtually unbeatable. 

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11 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

Most coaches are either unbelievable people managers ala "Ted Lasso" or they have incredible tactical nous and game sense and see trends ahead of time ala "Nathan Shelly" but rarely both. 

The best coaches that go down as all time greats like Clarko, Dimma, Scott, Sheedy, Malthouse, Matthews and the list goes on, are a combination of the two. 

The Cats players would crawl over broken glass for Chris Scott, but i am supremely confident they'll win this flag because  Chris Scott with a healthy list, and time to plan is virtually unbeatable. 

I'll take your money.

Swans will win this.

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47 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

I'm not sure I see the comparison. Scott is one of the best public communicators I've seen and a master tactician. Goodwin is neither of those things.

Scott had made finals in all but two seasons in 14 years. Goodwin has made finals in four of eight seasons.

Without major injuries in both years, especially late in the 2022 season, poor kicking for goal and a thug act, Goody might be a triple Premiership Coach.

Who would be the master Coach then, given the benefits provided to the Geelong club by Government funding and its unique location and AFL advantage?

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45 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

Most coaches are either unbelievable people managers ala "Ted Lasso" or they have incredible tactical nous and game sense and see trends ahead of time ala "Nathan Shelly" but rarely both. 

The best coaches that go down as all time greats like Clarko, Dimma, Scott, Sheedy, Malthouse, Matthews and the list goes on, are a combination of the two. 

The Cats players would crawl over broken glass for Chris Scott, but i am supremely confident they'll win this flag because  Chris Scott with a healthy list, and time to plan is virtually unbeatable. 

Gee I hope you are wrong and Lions belt them today.

With all their advantages, I am as sick of them as much as I detest Carlton.

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4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Without major injuries in both years, especially late in the 2022 season, poor kicking for goal and a thug act, Goody might be a triple Premiership Coach.

Who would be the master Coach then, given the benefits provided to the Geelong club by Government funding and its unique location and AFL advantage?

Every team has challenges. You could do the same exercise with Scott to make him a hypothetical 10 time premiership coach. They are going into a prelim with what I would say is a very mediocre team on paper. That's what sets Scott apart.

Edited September 20 by KozzyCan

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1 minute ago, KozzyCan said:

Every team has challenges. You could do the same exercise with Scott to make him a hypothetical 10 time premiership coach. They are going into a prelim with an incredibly mediocre team. That's what sets Scott apart.

I am not saying Scott isn’t a very good Coach, but rather he has had advantages that other Coaches haven’t.

The Cats are nearly guaranteed 8-9 wins every year because of their unique home ground advantage and who they play there and then only need to win another 3-4 games each season to make finals. That is a huge advantage for starters.

Their location has assisted their recruiting as well.

The endless stream of Victorian tax dollars given to them hasn’t hurt either.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Without major injuries in both years, especially late in the 2022 season, poor kicking for goal and a thug act, Goody might be a triple Premiership Coach.

Who would be the master Coach then, given the benefits provided to the Geelong club by Government funding and its unique location and AFL advantage?

Hyperbole. That logic just suggests that Chris Scott could have won at least 3 more flags, Mark Williams could have been a 4 time premiership coach and even Hinkley could have a few flags to his name.

 

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1 hour ago, djr said:

Jake delves into what differentiates the long-serving Scott from coaches at rival clubs. He mentions Melbourne a few times on how certain incidents would have been handled differently. An example is when he quotes a past player saying that the Petracca saga would never have happened at Geelong.

I come away thinking that Goody does possess a number of these traits and believe he is the right person that can follow in Scott's footsteps. The big concern, sadly, is the stark difference in the administrations.

Scott and Longmire, best in the business by a long way!

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14 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

Hyperbole. That logic just suggests that Chris Scott could have won at least 3 more flags, Mark Williams could have been a 4 time premiership coach and even Hinkley could have a few flags to his name.

 

No, it suggests he should have won more. 2 flags, hopefully not 3, in 14 years, given those advantages.

He was given a top list btw when he took over, look back at that flag team.

I am not saying he isn’t a very good Coach and i would gladly have him, but look at what he has had compared to others.

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8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Scott and Longmire, best in the business by a long way!

Fagan is not generally considered a great Coach and yet could be involved in back to back GF’s and but for some poor umpiring could be a Premiership Coach, just saying.

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30 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am not saying Scott isn’t a very good Coach, but rather he has had advantages that other Coaches haven’t.

The Cats are nearly guaranteed 8-9 wins every year because of their unique home ground advantage and who they play there and then only need to win another 3-4 games each season to make finals. That is a huge advantage for starters.

Their location has assisted their recruiting as well.

The endless stream of Victorian tax dollars given to them hasn’t hurt either.

 

 

I think being good is more important to their great record at home than the home itself. They actually had a relatively poor year at KP this year, but they won enough games away that they still made top 4. They won an away prelim by 80 points. They also have a great record at the MCG. In fact I'd wager Scott's record at the MCG would be comfortably better than Goodwins. Yes they have maximised their advantages and recruited well off the back of that but again I would look at the list they're running out with tonight and say that it wouldn't be in the top ten lists in the comp, yet they still manage to find a way to win.

You put Geelong's team in Goodwins hands and there is no way they're playing off for a Grand Final spot tonight.

Edited September 20 by KozzyCan

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9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

No, it suggests he should have won more. 2 flags, hopefully not 3, in 14 years, given those advantages.

He was given a top list btw when he took over, look back at that flag team.

I am not saying he isn’t a very good Coach and i would gladly have him, but look at what he has had compared to others.

He's also regenerated that list pretty well in 13 years and tweaked his game style for success. They also won 6 games at GMHBA this year so it hasn't helped that much.

If you think it gives them such a massive leg up over teams like Collingwood who never have to travel especially down there and interstate teams who play at their home ground just as often then that's your view but it does sound like another salty opposition fan.

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Modern success is becoming increasingly about maximising what you have as your systemic advantage. For Geelong that’s country access for players, and home ground advantage. For Sydney it’s academy access, and home ground advantage.

Both Longmire and Scott are excellent coaches, but they are also given 5-10% advantages that undoubtedly help them. I struggle to think of what similar advantages most Victorian sides have - with the exception of Carlton and Collingwood and their ability to take advantage of big crowds, and the momentum they provide.

In a way it’s proof that equalisation is working, but it’s also highlighting where advantages exist.

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7 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Modern success is becoming increasingly about maximising what you have as your systemic advantage. For Geelong that’s country access for players, and home ground advantage. For Sydney it’s academy access, and home ground advantage.

Both Longmire and Scott are excellent coaches, but they are also given 5-10% advantages that undoubtedly help them. I struggle to think of what similar advantages most Victorian sides have - with the exception of Carlton and Collingwood and their ability to take advantage of big crowds, and the momentum they provide.

In a way it’s proof that equalisation is working, but it’s also highlighting where advantages exist.

All this is true, but I believe their administration sets them apart.

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1 minute ago, djr said:

All this is true, but I believe their administration sets them apart.

That’s an excellent point. Geelong has been very, very well run for the last 20 years.

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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I am not saying Scott isn’t a very good Coach, but rather he has had advantages that other Coaches haven’t.

The Cats are nearly guaranteed 8-9 wins every year because of their unique home ground advantage and who they play there and then only need to win another 3-4 games each season to make finals. That is a huge advantage for starters.

Their location has assisted their recruiting as well.

The endless stream of Victorian tax dollars given to them hasn’t hurt either.

 

 

But Casey is to far to go to for our players.....lol

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Because he looks like a cross between a pig and an Oompa-Loompa?

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Smells like another sack Goody thread. If we had $1 farms and Cotton On $$$ I reckon we'd have more than 1 flag too.

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1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

I think being good is more important to their great record at home than the home itself. They actually had a relatively poor year at KP this year, but they won enough games away that they still made top 4. They won an away prelim by 80 points. They also have a great record at the MCG. In fact I'd wager Scott's record at the MCG would be comfortably better than Goodwins. Yes they have maximised their advantages and recruited well off the back of that but again I would look at the list they're running out with tonight and say that it wouldn't be in the top ten lists in the comp, yet they still manage to find a way to win.

You put Geelong's team in Goodwins hands and there is no way they're playing off for a Grand Final spot tonight.

What I love about the last sentence is that there is no way it can be challenged or disproved, even though I believe it is rubbish.

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15 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

What I love about the last sentence is that there is no way it can be challenged or disproved, even though I believe it is rubbish.

Yep, it's called an opinion. I think our list is better than Geelong's. I think Geelong had one of the weaker lists going into the finals. 

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Why is this so triggering to so many?

Chris Scott is one of the greatest coaches of all time.

That is impacted to some extent by Geelong being extremely well run off field and having an inherent competitive advantage by being in a regional town where a lower cost of living means players can take lower wages to help “beat” the salary cap.

Doesn’t make Goodwin any better or worse. 

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he's a very good coach

2 premierships in 13 completed seasons is nothing to sneeze at, and a very good chance of going 3 in 14

i think their home ground advantage has dissipated post-covid seasons

i envy their ability to have 100% ownership of their advertising at their taxpayer-funded stadium

there's always been rumours regarding farms and cotton on franchises; how much of that is true is impossible to know

their management of scandals is second to none