What a strange player for the Giants to play hardball on

  On 04/10/2024 at 22:17, Redleg said:

That’s what McCartney is probably pushing for a better deal than his profile demands.

We are quick to trade players for unders and are probably seen as a soft touch and then pay overs to trade in to get the deal done.

Imagine paying what you get for Nibbler for an untried player of 23 years old. 3rd in our B and F last night and a Premiership player who never misses a game for a maybe. 

We traded Bedford for 44 and he is now a regular in their team and as described by them one of their most important tagging/pressure/goal assist players.

I think most of us here have serious concerns over our recent recruiting decisions - hopefully our form improves dramatically on this front 

  On 05/10/2024 at 00:48, seventyfour said:

Every year there are fringe player swho wants to leave, but the clubs who hold them label them as a "required player".

They always end up being traded, often on the last day and for late picks.

It'll get done.

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

  On 05/10/2024 at 00:55, DeeSpencer said:

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

And didn’t that work out well for them. Lost him a year later for SFA

McCartney once in a while likes to play this tough guy act after letting plenty leave and then randomly tell someone they have no interest in they can’t go to send a message 

 

would be awful to do that considering their situation. I remember they did it to Bobby Hill

 

ill try find out more 

  On 24/09/2024 at 04:40, 58er said:

Do you really know anything about Wade ?

Others that are posting seem to have some knowledge and are relatively keen. 

I’d back them rather than your off handed comment. 

From my view this year we had no back up for Max. He would look to offer more than others at Casey.

  On 05/10/2024 at 00:55, DeeSpencer said:

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

He would have to offer more than those at Casey this year.

  On 04/10/2024 at 21:51, 58er said:

You make some outlandish statements RIF 

He has a good profile for no AFL games so far and is very versatile in ruck back or forward. 

Probably equivalent or ahead of Jeffo in experience. Good size also. 
Hope we can lure him for next year.

Whilst I do love some outlandish statements this one regarding a 23 year old maybe ok player isn't one of them. I still think we'll get him but GWS want us to pay more it appears.

Just check in on this with the original source and it seems that GWS are pretty adamant they will not trade him

 

Too Important to lose a versatile tall during a window.

 

Unless they are able to find their own replacement (himmelberg already rejecting them) I’m not sure how we can get this done.

  On 06/10/2024 at 04:33, Deez21 said:

Just check in on this with the original source and it seems that GWS are pretty adamant they will not trade him

 

Too Important to lose a versatile tall during a window.

 

Unless they are able to find their own replacement (himmelberg already rejecting them) I’m not sure how we can get this done.

Maybe they should give the bloke a game if he has so much going for him 

From what Ive seen of GWS he is a long way back in the pecking order - he will likely spend another year languishing in the 2s 

Not sure he’s in our best 22 but closer than GWS imo - not great player management from them tbh 

Have there been many circumstances where a fringe/depth player nominates for another club for more opportunity or more importantly for better family support with his young children and the club simply says no?

I think what we're seeing is GWS promoting publicly that he's an important player to them they would like to keep, simply to raise the asking price.

Its all posturing I reckon. 

  On 06/10/2024 at 04:53, Young Blood said:

Have there been many circumstances where a fringe/depth player nominates for another club for more opportunity or more importantly for better family support with his young children and the club simply says no?

I think what we're seeing is GWS promoting publicly that he's an important player to them they would like to keep, simply to raise the asking price.

Its all posturing I reckon. 

Might get pick 50 instead of pick 60 for him now

  On 06/10/2024 at 04:38, Sydee said:

Maybe they should give the bloke a game if he has so much going for him 

From what Ive seen of GWS he is a long way back in the pecking order - he will likely spend another year languishing in the 2s 

Not sure he’s in our best 22 but closer than GWS imo - not great player management from them tbh 

Yep they had periods of the season where Taylor Buckley and Aliir were out 

and ended up playing Keefe in a final

 

can see why Dersken would feel hard done by

 

Coach and list manager should have a chat 

  On 06/10/2024 at 05:54, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

Well done for putting one good VFL season together, Matthew, you'll be in our plans next season if you continue to improve. Just look at the apprenticeship JVR had before coming in and getting games as well.

  On 06/10/2024 at 06:18, FreedFromDesire said:

Exactly. So I think we can understand the response from GWS about a developing tall who hasn't had a chance yet then. Of course, we all know they're likely bluffing, but it's not a ridiculous response really.

Jefferson wasn't anywhere near the required standard until about half way through this VFL season though. He started in the back pocket such were his struggles...

  On 06/10/2024 at 06:25, FreedFromDesire said:

Agree that his second half of the season was far better, and given he was named emergency multiple times he was clearly close to selection - But really that is irrelevant to the point which is clubs wanting to hold on to developing talls even if they haven't had a senior chance yet.

The Jefferson comparison was in response to another poster who seemed a bit miffed by GWS not being willing to trade Derksen given he hasn't played seniors, but it's really not as simple as that is it?

Fair enough, I just think we also invested a first round pick in Jefferson. Derksen was a mid season draft pick.

Anyway, onward.

GWS know that he's way more valuable to us than he is to them......They want more for him than we're offering. If we actually have been tracking him and see further potential it's not out of the question that GWS squeeze a F2 out of us. That's called overpaying but our track record says we do that. 

  On 05/10/2024 at 00:50, adonski said:

What a strange player for the Giants to play hardball on

Someone Giants-related spoke about this scenario the other day in the media (I am going to say it was Bartel but can’t remember) - they have a growing problem with young players they’re developing putting their hand up and saying they're either homesick or looking for more opportunity… the insinuation was this isn’t an issue for southern- states teams.

 

Their stance might be less about Diggler specifically and more about sending a message to their playing list. 

  On 06/10/2024 at 05:54, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

One was a pick 15, the other’s a mid season draft pick. Apples and oranges.

  On 06/10/2024 at 07:32, Dee Boys said:

One was a pick 15, the other’s a mid season draft pick. Apples and oranges.

But good list management means you all but disregard a players draft spot the moment the draft is finish. It’s largely irrelevant. Forget draft position, he’s a young tall who’s shown promise at both ends.

The better argument is Jeffo is 20 and Wade is 23. 

So not only has he had more time as a mature body ready to play games he’s also now at the stage where you’re almost harming his career if you don’t get games in to him.

That said, he was the one who chose financial security signing on for 2 years at the end of last year knowing he was down the pecking order. He could’ve done a 1 year deal and be guaranteed to be on the way out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

  On 05/10/2024 at 05:35, Roost it far said:

Whilst I do love some outlandish statements this one regarding a 23 year old maybe ok player isn't one of them. I still think we'll get him but GWS want us to pay more it appears.

Posturing I would believe 

  On 04/10/2024 at 22:09, Sydee said:

His CV reminds me of a slight downgrade on Fullerton 

Not sure it’s a big deal either way but I will be furious if we hand over pick 25 for this bloke 

Yes he is. Not a second round pick. 

I know it doesn't work like this, but GWS owe us for Toby Bedford.  Quite a similar situation in a way, only Bedford was getting games and showing promise at AFL level.

Still spewing we let that kid go so easily.

Probably a 3rd round pick at best. Wouldn't pay overs for a guy who is 23 and not played a senior game in his life.

  On 06/10/2024 at 05:54, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

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