3 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Well, what do you think?

Someone is clearly leaking stuff to the media. It's either him or the club.

Who benefits more from this noise? Ask yourself that question, you'll find the answer.

again, is this just speculation or fact?

 

because the exact same stuff has been said 3 years ago. 

7 hours ago, Where Demons Dare said:

I loved how McClure said "in his opinion" to kick off his segment on 'Footy Classified' tonight basically meaning it's all hypothetical. Of the five bullet points he made in his segment, I honestly couldn't buy any of it. It all sounded too wishy washy for me. It's clear to me that McClure is getting this information second hand when he couldn't answer any proper direct questions from the panel for instance when 'Cornes' asked about Goodwin and Petraccas relationship... he back peddled quickly and said he couldn't comment on it saying "he's not comfortable speaking to the heart of 1 on 1 relationships" because he knew he had nothing. 

What I found interesting was Lloyd's comments having spoken to some players and they believed his services are best suited elsewhere. But what I get from that is that the players feel he needs to drop his enormous ego and start toeing the line if he wants to get some respect back from the playing group back. Unfortunately I feel now he'll never be Captain of our club which seemed almost destined for him in the next year or two. Oh how far you've fallen Christian... 

Did you also notice at the end of the segment 'Hutchy' thanked Sam and Tom for breaking the news. Morris strikes again... McClure is only telling what Morris had passed on. That's why he couldn't answer any direct line of questioning.

Isn’t denial the first stage of grief? We should conduct a poll to see where we all sit.

55 minutes ago, BDA said:

The club have said no trade (and a fair trade is highly unlikely anyways). It’s the only stance that makes sense.

Trac’s leaking is torching us and the club. I don’t think it’s very smart to leave himself without a pathway back to the fold. He is being very badly advised. The long-term contract means the club holds the upper hand. I’m sure I would agree with him about a lot of the issues at the club but the way he’s gone about it demonstrates clearly a very selfish streak. He wants out and doesn’t care about damaging the club to achieve this.

He has a lot of back pedalling to do. It’s going to be interesting to see how he goes about that. I’m not even sure its tenable given how he has trashed the club.

Very interesting times.

I actually think the club is playing this well. Saying there’s no chance he will be traded.  I’m wondering if Trac is backing himself into a corner and may have to go to the highest bidder just to get out as he’s burnt his bridges. 
 

Im ok with holding him to his contract and will hope he can get back to his best form. But I don’t want him doing any media work for the club and I’d hope the club puts the squeeze on how many other media commitments he can do. 
I’m ok if he ends up staying but we should do zero to help him build his brand in the future. 
 

I don’t think Connors would be happy with the ‘noise’ being made by Trac @binman

It’s not the way he operates

Whoever has been backgrounding Maclure, Morris isn’t working to his usual approach

6 minutes ago, Tracca said:

@Colm instead of face palming, maybe answer the question? This isnt an episode of days of our lives. 

You're right about that. It's the first ten seasons plus the telemovie.

7 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I still can’t believe the situation can’t be salvageable between Trac and the club. I’m not buying the Oliver thing either, I recall Trac giving a really honest and empathetic interview on AFL360 about him only a few weeks into the season.

All my mail has been around him trying to put his brand first - playing at a bigger club to help his brand. I also heard a rumour he was unhappy that Nick Daicos won some sponsorship deal ahead of him and the reason he was told was because Daicos played for Collingwood.

Really interesting to see if the club will put out a statement though after tonight’s events.

He is also a better player and more marketable. Collingwood does factor in. Just wait until Daicos wins a Brownlow. 

Just now, Queanbeyan Demon said:

You're right about that. It's the first ten seasons plus the telemovie.

lol. 

I often tell myself, as I pass 40, that under no circumstances should I become the old man yelling at a cloud that I see everywhere around me. But when it comes to "building a personal brand" I'm full on Grandpa Simpson. 

One of the biggest, most pernicious loads of [censored] dreamt up in the last century. 

5 minutes ago, Tracca said:

@Colm instead of face palming, maybe answer the question? This isnt an episode of days of our lives. 

Is that really you Trac? Cmon man a blind man can see that this story has been drip fed from Tracs camp to try and force through a move. 
 

https://x.com/DanielCherny/status/1828015855936086260?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

From article:

"Red flags emerged on Petracca.

Former Saints list manager Ameet Bains and recruiter Tony Elshaug started to question whether Petracca would fit their environment.

Why did the psych test reveal an eagerness for Petracca to promote himself ahead of teammates? Were there selfish traits?

Did his antics at the 3km time-trial – ensuring everybody knew he was sore – highlight immaturity? A lack of mental strength?

How come he completed extra training in isolation instead of with teammates?

Petracca seemed to enjoy attention. Would his personality blend in at St Kilda?"

'Luke Jackson' suggestions get funnier each time someone mentions them..

5 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

He is also a better player and more marketable. Collingwood does factor in. Just wait until Daicos wins a Brownlow. 

Imagine how many such deals someone like Bontempelli or Toby Green may have missed because they play in "small" clubs.

Unbelievable if true, that he can be affected just because someone is more marketable than him.

In any case, usually these things are also decided based on the targeted demographic. I wonder what demographic would a Collingwood player appeal to?

6 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I often tell myself, as I pass 40, that under no circumstances should I become the old man yelling at a cloud that I see everywhere around me. But when it comes to "building a personal brand" I'm full on Grandpa Simpson. 

One of the biggest, most pernicious loads of [censored] dreamt up in the last century. 

Christian Petracca’s ‘brand’—yeah, it’s like he’s selling bottled charisma at the local supermarket. All this talk about ‘brand’ is just drivel, though—since when did being a gun AFL player require personal branding? It’s football, not a fashion label! Last I checked, goals don’t care about your social media presence.

6 minutes ago, Colm said:

Is that really you Trac? Cmon man a blind man can see that this story has been drip fed from Tracs camp to try and force through a move. 
 

you still havent answered the question. is it hearsay or fact? and what exactly was leaked?

 

as the same tripe that McLure and Morris have said, was said 3 years ago. nothing has changed.

6 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

https://x.com/DanielCherny/status/1828015855936086260?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

From article:

"Red flags emerged on Petracca.

Former Saints list manager Ameet Bains and recruiter Tony Elshaug started to question whether Petracca would fit their environment.

Why did the psych test reveal an eagerness for Petracca to promote himself ahead of teammates? Were there selfish traits?

Did his antics at the 3km time-trial – ensuring everybody knew he was sore – highlight immaturity? A lack of mental strength?

How come he completed extra training in isolation instead of with teammates?

Petracca seemed to enjoy attention. Would his personality blend in at St Kilda?"

Wow wee. Golly gosh. Seriously.

For a deal to get done both sides need to win

we don’t have a surplus of elite mids so the deal would have to fix another problem like a forward who can ruck and backfill for Trac - that is a major challenge 

A team with a weak midfield but still some tradeable assets for Trac? Which club fits that script?

9 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I often tell myself, as I pass 40, that under no circumstances should I become the old man yelling at a cloud that I see everywhere around me. But when it comes to "building a personal brand" I'm full on Grandpa Simpson. 

One of the biggest, most pernicious loads of [censored] dreamt up in the last century. 

If his 'brand' is so important then he really should have been a basketball player. 

1 minute ago, binman said:

My tip.

This will all blow over and there will be a big redemption, reconciliation patch up job by tracc's team.

Why?

Well, whilst i don't doubt tracc wants our, it appears he's wedged himself.

(I say appeared because whilst there's obviously been some strategic backgrounding to journos, the only info we've got thus far is from peanuts like Morris and McClure - note this a classic move of politcians and player managers alike as it gets the desired message out, sets the narrative but also provides a get out, we never said such stuff, option).

By wedged i mean the suggestion is he wants out, but only to a 'big Victorian club' in the Premiership window.

Realistically that is the pies, blues and a very long stretch the bombers (noting their home ground is marvel).

To get to one of those clubs a mighty good deal would need to be done - one that satisfies us.

What leverage does tracc have?

Well, some might argue his leverage is the dees having a player on the list who wants to be elsewhere and who might be bad for the vibe at the club

Big f deal for one thing. 

But that's basically a threat - one we have clearly signalled (goody's post match presser being the best example) we are not going to be bowed by.

A key point is if things are so bad, and he really, really wants out then suck it up and go to the Tigers, or West coast, or the suns. Or wherever.

Or not, and honour his contract.

Yes, agreed Binman. 'I want to break my contract and, by the way, I want to play for Carlton' probably doesn't wash

14 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

I don’t think Connors would be happy with the ‘noise’ being made by Trac @binman

It’s not the way he operates

Whoever has been backgrounding Maclure, Morris isn’t working to his usual approach

No they wouldn't. This is exactly what was said last night by Sammy Edmund I'm pretty sure regarding the noise with management 

 

6 hours ago, bluey said:

You reach the stage where you have overplayed your hand.

Jason Ackermannis style.

the suitors become concerned that your a liability.

A club with good values doesn’t wish to import high maintenance trouble.

Wow one of your best posts.

Edited August 26, 2024Aug 26 by loges

i know everyone is leaning into the ben simmons comparisons, but to be honest this reminds me more of alex rodriguez, the baseball superstar who left the seattle mariners - the club that picked him at the top en of the draft, developed him into a superstar, only to see him walk out to the texas rangers as a free agent to become the highest paid player in the game, before forcing a trade for the bright lights of the new york yankees

 

Well one things for sure the situation for Dees fans has quickly moved from never trade to pitchforks get the big head out of here. If you wanted out of a club hard to think of a better way to manipulate the situation than Trac has. Melbourne should enforce his contract unless a deal is presented that is at least a breakeven for the club. My only gripe with the club has been this ongoing nonsense we have the best culture EVER. Holding that out exposes you as fools when it goes pear shaped.

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

I don’t think Connors would be happy with the ‘noise’ being made by Trac @binman

It’s not the way he operates

Whoever has been backgrounding Maclure, Morris isn’t working to his usual approach

Maybe. Maybe not.

The result is the same.

On conners, if he is not responsible for the strategic backgrounding of morris why has he let this play out like it has?

Why hasn't he backgrounded another journo to at least tamp down the noise 'till after the GF?

I mean, he's tracc's manager after all. And if demonland is any guide, tracc's stocks are falling in terms of his reputation.

That's to say, whilst the initial reporting was favourable towards him (ultra pro unhappy with the 'direction' of a club the media loves to hammer), it's swinging the other way - for example the suggestion his teammates are jack of him.

If I was conners I'd be concerned the idea of tracc as an entitled, prima donna taking hold - Australians are allergic to that idea of stars elevating themselves above their team.

And leaving aside the response by fans, if that perception takes hold amongst players at say the pies or blues how keen will they be about a diva coming to their club (probably instantly the highest paid), with all the attendant palaver.

And how will the big stars at either club feel about having to share the spotlight with tracc? 

13 minutes ago, binman said:

My tip.

This will all blow over and there will be a big redemption, reconciliation patch up job by tracc's team.

Why?

Well, whilst i don't doubt tracc wants our, it appears he's wedged himself.

(I say appeared because whilst there's obviously been some strategic backgrounding to journos, the only info we've got thus far is from peanuts like Morris and McClure - note this a classic move of politcians and player managers alike as it gets the desired message out, sets the narrative but also provides a get out, we never said such stuff, option).

By wedged i mean the suggestion is he wants out, but only to a 'big Victorian club' in the Premiership window.

Realistically that is the pies, blues and a very long stretch the bombers (noting their home ground is marvel).

To get to one of those clubs a mighty good deal would need to be done - one that satisfies us.

What leverage does tracc have?

Well, some might argue his leverage is the dees having a player on the list who wants to be elsewhere and who might be bad for the vibe at the club

Big f deal for one thing. 

But that's basically a threat - one we have clearly signalled (goody's post match presser being the best example) we are not going to be bowed by.

A key point is if things are so bad, and he really, really wants out then suck it up and go to the Tigers, or West coast, or the suns. Or wherever.

Or not, and honour his contract.

 

Not a bad shout.

Also, I didn't consider the full extent of the backgrounding to journos and the mechanics behind it. It makes a lot of sense, especially if it's those types of journos where you could easily discount what they've said.