1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

the list is where Goody has steered it.

FWIW, we have a person who's title is List Manager and who, unless I'm sadly mistaken, is there to Manage the List.

We also have a List Management Committee to oversee (checks notes) List Management. List Management committee members include Lamb, Taylor and Richardson.

21 minutes ago, bing181 said:

FWIW, we have a person who's title is List Manager and who, unless I'm sadly mistaken, is there to Manage the List.

We also have a List Management Committee to oversee (checks notes) List Management. List Management committee members include Lamb, Taylor and Richardson.

Do you realise there's a difference between MANAGE and define, design, shape etc ?

This is what most people fail to appreciate. The FD and Coach create the image of the team it wants. This 'design spec' is what the manager then attempts to fill.

Tim is the tail... not the dog.

There are any number of reasons and considerations that could be provided for Goodwin to stand aside/ resign. All without particularly affecting his coin.

Keep in mind the club is only exposed to 12 months of future payments ( at worst )

I actually think Goodwin is a decent bloke. I just don't think he's the one to continue with going forward.

He might also have an epiphany and just see the light, see the reality of the current malaise and think it might be better to be part of the solution and not the problem. He might understand he's no longer being effective in a positive outcome scenario. This an astute and honourable position.

He might therefore come to and understanding with the club to take a payout and pass the baton.

He could do this and hold head high . He will not have been ignonimiously sacked .

As the great Mr Rogers once uttered... gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away.

That time has come

His standing and commercial value in the larger football world would be greater if he left on his terms. And I think ( even I ) that he deserves to do that in a fashion. A mutual gain.

But if he is failing to see the world as it is.... that's on him.

Time's up Simon

Edited April 5Apr 5 by beelzebub

42 minutes ago, bing181 said:

FWIW, we have a person who's title is List Manager and who, unless I'm sadly mistaken, is there to Manage the List.

We also have a List Management Committee to oversee (checks notes) List Management. List Management committee members include Lamb, Taylor and Richardson.

OK then lets sack them all~ 😁

Edited April 5Apr 5 by Kent

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

If you think things can be turned around in a week, then not only would I like some of what you're taking, half the teams in the AFL would like a word. Expect a call from WCE, Richmond, North, Essendon, Carlton etc. in the coming days.

Most of your posts suggest you drink too much. Have you been over doing again Bing? The reason I ask is because I never said he could. Your reading things that aren't actually said. Perhaps you could use a hiccup emoji ,😀

15 hours ago, frankie_d said:

Lewis on Melbourne:

https://www.rsn.net.au/news/rsn-podcast/breakfast-with-harf/2025-03-31/jordan-lewis-says-the-demons-have-a-big-problem/685625

Damning.

Agree that was in 2017 but Selfless was the theme in 21 , have they become selfish again??

Edited April 5Apr 5 by Demonsone

4 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Good

the list is where Goody has steered it. The club should have axed the love machine last year.

16 hours ago, frankie_d said:

Lewis on Melbourne:

https://www.rsn.net.au/news/rsn-podcast/breakfast-with-harf/2025-03-31/jordan-lewis-says-the-demons-have-a-big-problem/685625

Damning.

Indeed damning. Combine that with a record for uncontested marks and you have a team that has nfi !! I think some commentators are pulling their punches currently. The lambasting should be far more brutal. The 'take pity on Melbourne 'is creeping back in.

Wonder if Lewis would be interested in a job ??

15 hours ago, bing181 said:

How did that work out when we sacked Neeld? Neil Craig was an experienced, competent senior coach. We were losing badly under Neeld but then went even further backwards under Craig. Which is exactly the same pattern we've seen Every Time we've sacked a coach mid-season. The incoming stand-in coach ALWAYS lost more matches than the coach he replaced. And not just at Melbourne either, happens across the league, and for that matter, happens across multiple leagues in different sports.

The only way to change a team's trajectory is through list change.

Delusional.

Mercifully, those in charge at the club understand this, also understand what Goodwin and the coaching team are trying to do, and understand where the list is at. As for the supporters ...

Listening to Neil Craig talk never impressed me but yes, his credentials were good.

Cats had 165 marks to 85, he’s game plan is completely flawed, cats a player behind the ball and all of our entries were 2-3 defenders vs1 fwd , made no changes @ 1/2 time has no answers & a 1 trick pony

When we had the ball there were no free melbourne players. When they had the ball we left free men everywhere, and they chipped it round under zero pressure, looking completely in charge and highly skilled.

Guarding grass has always been drivel. Our so-called zone defence worked because we had superb marking defenders in May and Lever and excellent smalls in Salem and Hibberd. It wSn't about tactics but simply superior footballers.

Goodwin really has killed attack. MFC did with Jurrah, and have done with JVR and now Fritsch played out of position. Have fun? Let them compete!

And The umpiring bias that goes unchallenged - Adelaide are right to complain. They've been robbed before, and quite rightly they speak up when it happens again. Bullies challenged start looking behind their backs, and stop the schitt. Melbourne are unwatchable and unbackable, for both internal and external reasons. And we should continue to be faithful?

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Agree that was in 2017 but Selfless was the theme in 21 , have they become selfish again??

The loss of Brayshaw was huge. I think he was the bloke who set the tone at the start of '21. People would say Lever had a great game (plenty of intercept marks), and then some teammate would bring him down by saying "but he doesn't play on anyone". Max said that was a reality check for them. I'll try and find the clip.

Our onfield leaders aren't doing their job. Exhibit A - the loss to GWS in round 1 - not killing the game with less than 2 minutes to go - someone needed to get into AJ's head and tell him what to do (anything but a turnover).

Those saying 'of course he won't stand aside, it's his job and his income'....that's literally what the best leaders do. Longmire did it..Roos did it. Plenty of other examples.

Happens in large organisations all the time.....you think the CEOs on several mil and huge influence find it easy to walk away? Of course they dont....but most are very well resourced and connected anyway and certainly land on their feet. AFL coaches are the same....

The other piece though is the best leaders walk away on their own accord....only when they know it is the best thing for the organisation. That is - there are leaders who are ready to replace them and reshape things. I'm not sure Goodwin would have tremendous faith that a standin president, absent CEO, and new group of coaches would do any better or be more stabilising than he is. Richardson doesn't inspire confidence in anyone either.

Watch the game on tv or at the ground, you see the other side with the ball in their backline, for a kick-in or after a mark, and you see their players jog into space... everybody waits - you know perfectly well where the kick's going to go you can't tell me professional full-time footballers can't see it too. But they stand around in nowhere until the inevitable kick comes, and then they run in to stand on the mark. Were they hoping the guy would drop the mark??

Someone Is responsible for this brainless method of losing. Whoever it is, they are mindbogglingly in denial of what goes on week after week. We expend energy running flat out to where the opponent moving in an easy jog. We are exhausted apparently, unable to do anything in the last quarter.

I don't care who they sack, but whoever approves of this brain-dead way of playing needs to be gone. We have gone from being a contest team to one who let the other side have things entirely their own way until the ball somehow comes into contention - then we want to compete. But when the opposition have the ball, we apply no pressure until it hits the ground. And look what happens! I mean, how can they not be seeing it??

And THAT isn' anything to do with selfishness. It' applying team rules. Enough of that, and how can anyone remain i vested, or trysting?

Trusting would be enough. I'm frustrated. Too much to say, and mucking it up anyway.

Fair dinkum, it's not worth it. We are far too dumb.

15 of the 23 on Friday night played in the 2021 premiership. Nearly all are still in their prime or close enough to it.

They're now playing bottom 3 football after having all preseason to refine their strategies.

Clearly, there's something very wrong at this football club.

1 hour ago, robbiefrom13 said:

Watch the game on tv or at the ground, you see the other side with the ball in their backline, for a kick-in or after a mark, and you see their players jog into space... everybody waits - you know perfectly well where the kick's going to go you can't tell me professional full-time footballers can't see it too. But they stand around in nowhere until the inevitable kick comes, and then they run in to stand on the mark. Were they hoping the guy would drop the mark??

Someone Is responsible for this brainless method of losing. Whoever it is, they are mindbogglingly in denial of what goes on week after week. We expend energy running flat out to where the opponent moving in an easy jog. We are exhausted apparently, unable to do anything in the last quarter.

I don't care who they sack, but whoever approves of this brain-dead way of playing needs to be gone. We have gone from being a contest team to one who let the other side have things entirely their own way until the ball somehow comes into contention - then we want to compete. But when the opposition have the ball, we apply no pressure until it hits the ground. And look what happens! I mean, how can they not be seeing it??

There was a play at an important point on Friday. Geelong had kick in and their player ran 15-20 metres before kicking it, found another player all on his own, in turn his found the wing. I know clubs do it but surely there are times in a game when you play tight. I feel we have no gears other than a perfect tap from Gawn to a gathering Petracca and goal.

21 minutes ago, Gator said:

15 of the 23 on Friday night played in the 2021 premiership. Nearly all are still in their prime or close enough to it.

They're now playing bottom 3 football after having all preseason to refine their strategies.

Clearly, there's something very wrong at this football club.

Spot on his new game plan failed mid season last year & flopped to the old one which he admitted & now this is worse, 1 trick pony & that’s far gone.

Just thought I'd pop in and say I been tellin' ya Goodwins gotta go for years.
Had the opportunity to build this club for future generations but blew it by boring us all to tears with his mind numbingly ugly game plan.
And now here we are, about to battle it out for the bottom of the ladder again and due to his delusion hand over our 1st round pick to Essendon.
ESSENDON .... My god.
There isn't even a silver lining.

Edited April 6Apr 6 by Fork 'em

Xavier Lindsey is who we got for handing over our first round pick. I'm more than happy with him Fork em.

Edited April 6Apr 6 by Jack Vineys Anger Manager

21 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

One thing I don't understand, why Goodwin doesn't just step aside?

Is his motivation purely the money/contract?

Can't he see how much damage he is causing to the club?

As the Devil we all know best ElDiablo, Goodwin has made a plan to coach until the end of his contract terms.

Once he makes a plan he sticks to it doggedly for better or worse despite the evidence to the contrary or the negative outcome. He just loves lifelong learning on the job at our expense

Edited April 6Apr 6 by Hellfire Dub
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10 minutes ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

Xavier Lindsey is who we got for handing over our first round pick. I'm more than happy with him Fork em.

I'm not even confident we can hold these kids to this basket case of a club.

4 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Cats had 165 marks to 85, he’s game plan is completely flawed, cats a player behind the ball and all of our entries were 2-3 defenders vs1 fwd , made no changes @ 1/2 time has no answers & a 1 trick pony

147 uncontested Marks i am pretty sure i read.

That is enough for Goody to realize his Gameplan is just not competitive in 2025.

Sadly he and his Coaches have just got it wrong.

No one else in the AFL has had a dysfunctional forward line for 3 years

Simon tells us each week we have to learn from it, yes we do Simon, but what you are teaching our players is just wrong.

What is so special about your perceived Gameplan that nobody can execute in 3 years?

Please tell me Simon, i want to learn….

30 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Just thought I'd pop in and say I been tellin' ya Goodwins gotta go for years.
Had the opportunity to build this club for future generations but blew it by boring us all to tears with his mind numbingly ugly game plan.
And now here we are, about to battle it out for the bottom of the ladder again and due to his delusion hand over our 1st round pick to Essendon.
ESSENDON .... My god.
There isn't even a silver lining.

They would not listen, they did not know how ...

Perhaps they'll listen now .....