Oliver Trade Rumours

[DeeZone 9,125]

8 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but only in terms of exploring a trade post-season. For me, it opens the door (especially after Petracca) that perhaps things have been that bad inside the club that Oliver simply wanted out? I don't know that of course, and we're going by a fairly flippant comment from a journalist, but it's still a concern in my view.

And yes, definitely agree this has been an absolute mess from Pert, no matter which version of the story is true. I would put some weight in @Sir Why You Little's comments about what they've heard about the matter as I've noted in the past he has been seemingly on the money with such things.

The attacks on our club are becoming stupider and stupider who is making up this stuff. You may not like Gary Pert but going on with this vindictive rubbish is more on you than it is on our CEO.

[FreedFromDesire 728]

1 minute ago, DeeZone said:

The attacks on our club are becoming stupider and stupider who is making up this stuff. You may not like Gary Pert but going on with this vindictive rubbish is more on you than it is on our CEO.

Sorry, but which part of my post is vindictive? I don't quite follow your criticism here.

[Clintosaurus 7,652]

Not many trades poking their heads up so far and a lot of hours to fill so expect the media nuffies to keep going.

[DeeZone 9,125]

1 minute ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Sorry, but which part of my post is vindictive? I don't quite follow your criticism here.

Dining out on gossip FFD determining what is true, always coming down on the side of the poster rather than the victim for starters.

[Mickey 4,522]

Just now, Clintosaurus said:

Not many trades poking their heads up so far and a lot of hours to fill so expect the media nuffies to keep going.

This. The Oliver trade is the only sensational thing happening at the moment. Of course its going to get air time

[demoncat 1,043]

3 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

The attacks on our club are becoming stupider and stupider who is making up this stuff. You may not like Gary Pert but going on with this vindictive rubbish is more on you than it is on our CEO.

m8 people are allowed to have opinions about anyone at the club based on publicly available info, most of all the CEO whose primary role it is to provide stability and inspire confidence in the direction of the club  

Regardless of what he has or hasn’t done, if he’s not meeting this criteria he’s failing at one of the core parts of his role 

[58er 6,082]

29 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

The snippet from Tom Morris about Oliver's agents approaching the club about being open to a trade midway through the season seems like new news? I mostly read the few bookmarked posters I had here during the year as it's a bit hard to keep up in-season, but that seems like new information does it not? It also goes completely contrary to the club's narrative at that time about him being embraced and 'back in love' with the club.

Oliver obviously had a well below average year by his standards, and 100% completely of his own doing, but I wonder if perhaps things are so bad at the MFC that he wanted out simply due to that?

Not completely Clarry’s fault.

He could have been held back at the start of the season to gain further fitness that could well have contributed to a better season. 

[DeeZone 9,125]

2 minutes ago, demoncat said:

m8 people are allowed to have opinions about anyone at the club based on publicly available info, most of all the CEO whose primary role it is to provide stability and inspire confidence in the direction of the club  

Regardless of what he has or hasn’t done, if he’s not meeting this criteria he’s failing at one of the core parts of his role 

Says who, he is being undermined by a load of rubbish on here that is being spoken as Truth. Why don’t you give Gary a call and ask him for yourself rather than supporting unsubstantiated backstabbing BS on here.

[demoncat 1,043]

4 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Says who, he is being undermined by a load of rubbish on here that is being spoken as Truth. Why don’t you give Gary a call and ask him for yourself rather than supporting unsubstantiated backstabbing BS on here.

Sure, you got his number?

Edited 5 hours ago by demoncat

[FreedFromDesire 728]

19 minutes ago, 58er said:

Not completely Clarry’s fault.

He could have been held back at the start of the season to gain further fitness that could well have contributed to a better season. 

That's true, and the handling of the hand injury (and as we find out now, ribs) seemed to not be great as well.

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

49 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

The snippet from Tom Morris about Oliver's agents approaching the club about being open to a trade midway through the season seems like new news? I mostly read the few bookmarked posters I had here during the year as it's a bit hard to keep up in-season, but that seems like new information does it not? It also goes completely contrary to the club's narrative at that time about him being embraced and 'back in love' with the club.

Oliver obviously had a well below average year by his standards, and 100% completely of his own doing, but I wonder if perhaps things are so bad at the MFC that he wanted out simply due to that?

Freed from desire, interesting title. Rather eloquent sentence content and all correct spelling, context etc. School Teacher, media perhaps? Seems to stir the pot just a little with every post. I hate Media Maggots...

[FreedFromDesire 728]

24 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Dining out on gossip FFD determining what is true, always coming down on the side of the poster rather than the victim for starters.

I'm honestly not sure where you're drawing such ire from to be honest. I've not gone overboard, I believe, in any of my comments, and I've certainly not been personal or vindictive, nor have I detected a 'victim' in all this.

I don't wish to proceed further with this discussion as I'm really not sure what you're getting at or where you're finding these things you're accusing me of in my comments.

[drysdale demon 4,741]

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Yes but how do you shut down the player managers???

rule 303

[FreedFromDesire 728]

1 minute ago, Willmoy1947 said:

Freed from desire, interesting title. Rather eloquent sentence content and all correct spelling, context etc. School Teacher, media perhaps? Seems to stir the pot just a little with every post. I hate Media Maggots...

I certainly don't mean to stir the pot at all, so my apologies if I have done so, it was not my intention at all. I do however find it a troubling time for the club we love and while I do my best to be reasonable and polite about such, I also don't wish to avoid discussing things which may be perceived as difficult.

[Demon Disciple 11,803]

39 minutes ago, schmutt said:

Realistically I'd like to see him traded because we simply can't make him/Viney/Petracca work in the middle anymore (We haven't really made that combo work for two years now). I get people are very attached to him and at his peak he was a top 5 player in the league, but the game has changed so much. Personally I'd like the club to cut their losses and move him on but it seems the club thinks clearly nothing is wrong with that midfield, and we'll likely pay dearly for that in the future.

Might need to revisit in 12-24 months time

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

39 minutes ago, schmutt said:

Realistically I'd like to see him traded because we simply can't make him/Viney/Petracca work in the middle anymore (We haven't really made that combo work for two years now). I get people are very attached to him and at his peak he was a top 5 player in the league, but the game has changed so much. Personally I'd like the club to cut their losses and move him on but it seems the club thinks clearly nothing is wrong with that midfield, and we'll likely pay dearly for that in the future.

Another Media Maggot

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

19 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Sure, you got his number?

With a name like demonic cat we dont expect JS.

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

5 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

I certainly don't mean to stir the pot at all, so my apologies if I have done so, it was not my intention at all. I do however find it a troubling time for the club we love and while I do my best to be reasonable and polite about such, I also don't wish to avoid discussing things which may be perceived as difficult.

If you can't say anything that's not difficult, don't say anything at all.

[demoncat 1,043]

4 minutes ago, Willmoy1947 said:

With a name like demonic cat we dont expect JS.

You reckon he won’t respond to meows and hisses?

[Redleg 40,370]

39 minutes ago, Mickey said:

This. The Oliver trade is the only sensational thing happening at the moment. Of course its going to get air time

Surely a possible Derkson trade is bigger news.

[Willmoy1947 3,981]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Surely a possible Derkson trade is bigger news.

It is, but i was so upset about  the footy people passing away.

[DeeZone 9,125]

18 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

rule 303

Jeez we could clear the airways with rule 303, very poignant indeed.😁

[Great Sage 53]

My take is that external review and some player discontent combined with doubts whether Clarry will get back to his best and/or be value for money, means that we are open to option of moving him on.

 

Stumbling block is that we cannot afford to give him away for nothing. Our current stance with Cats is to come back with a deal that is mutually beneficial and that we can sell (to members and public) or there will be no trade.

 

Clarry is my all time favourite player, but there is little doubt that his behaviour and how the club has dealt with it has been a contributor to our lack of a second premiership. You need most things going right to win a premiership and this has definitely been going wrong.

 

FWIW I think that Clarry will be all Australian again, but whether it's in 2 years or 4 years I'm not sure. He needs to grow up and the jolt of a new club may help. Hogan is a great example of this. We need him based on current form, but he would not have been any help for the previous 4 years. 

 

 

[KLV 1,763]

1 hour ago, schmutt said:

Realistically I'd like to see him traded because we simply can't make him/Viney/Petracca work in the middle anymore (We haven't really made that combo work for two years now). I get people are very attached to him and at his peak he was a top 5 player in the league, but the game has changed so much. Personally I'd like the club to cut their losses and move him on but it seems the club thinks clearly nothing is wrong with that midfield, and we'll likely pay dearly for that in the future.

You’re kidding, right?

[KozzyCan 554]

Very little in that piece from Barrett didn't even hint that Geelong were upping their offer. Think this is all but done.