12 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

No info they WILL be traded

Clarry - absolutely kidding yourselves if you don't think the club will explore trade options. He's a distraction and has a big contract. I doubt he leaves - I can't see a team giving up a good pick AND taking his contract and we won't accept less. Clarry not keen on leaving either

 

Rivers - Won't leave now. he's open and honest to the club about homesickness, so wouldn't rule it out when it's time to cash in or lose out. He's committed for 4 years so we have time to sort this out. 

okay then

so we won't end up trading them and don't want to leave

Thanks for clarifying your previous post was incorrect

11 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

The club has played the Rivers situation beautifully. 

In 2020 they let him go home for lockdown and do his fitness there. He came back at the end of the carnival of footy and was great.

Moved him into the midfield just as he was starting to question whether it would happen. 

They let him go home regularly and kept it out the media.

Rivers is very happy in Melbourne but if you've met someone from WA ever, you'll now the love never leaves and certainly something he'd explore later on in his career. Nothing to worry about in the immediate future.

I'm from Perth and couldn't get out of there quick enough.... whenever I go back I'm shocked and how different it is to Melbourne and there's very little to do.

Hope that rubs off on him 

20 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

One thing I've learnt on this site while lurking for a while is how combative people are against those trying to give some info. Especially when that info is so clearly spot on

Edmund said almost done - and a few days later I said IMMINENT about an hour before he signed.

Re Houston - I have no idea if it gets done, but I would be surprised if it doesn't. But the club doesn't know either because if it comes down to really having to give up 2 PICKS in the first, they might need to reconsider their plan to get him, and whether Oliver actually is tradeable etc. We don't know pick numbers either until the season is over so things are moving and changing all the time.

So you’re suggesting that the club is actively considering putting Clarry up for trade again?

Edit: ignore, missed your other posts

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by demoncat

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

So you’re suggesting that the club is actively considering putting Clarry up for trade again?

Would be a surprise for Goodwin based on his interview a few weeks back

21 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I'm from Perth and couldn't get out of there quick enough.... whenever I go back I'm shocked and how different it is to Melbourne and there's very little to do.

Hope that rubs off on him 

I wish my wife was more like you 

4 hours ago, Deez21 said:

I'd be surprised if Houston isn't a dee next year. 2 firsts is very steep for me but I don't think the club are worried about firsts right now with the picks they would get for Clarry, and dare I say a certain new converted midfielder who wants to go back home to WA

I disagree however, the draft is steep this year and look at the impact Windsor has had at the club. We could stay in our premiership window and rebuild at the same time like good clubs do, and like we did getting in Jackson and Pickett

 

I'd hate for the club to discard 2 first picks for a 28 year old 

 

38 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

No info they WILL be traded

Clarry - absolutely kidding yourselves if you don't think the club will explore trade options. He's a distraction and has a big contract. I doubt he leaves - I can't see a team giving up a good pick AND taking his contract and we won't accept less. Clarry not keen on leaving either

Rivers - Won't leave now. he's open and honest to the club about homesickness, so wouldn't rule it out when it's time to cash in or lose out. He's committed for 4 years so we have time to sort this out. 

Wow, Olympic Gold in back-pedalling there between those two posts - congratulations!

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by old55

5 minutes ago, old55 said:

 

Wow, Olympic Gold in back-pedalling there between those two posts - congratulations!

“Would get”

 

olympic gold medal for you comprehension skills

 

if you don’t think clubs don’t explore every trade options available to them then your knowledge of footy isn’t great either 

 

Decisions are made with the whole picture in mind 

 

It’s a deep draft, imagine getting more picks in it? You think the club won’t explore that? You think they wouldn’t jump at the chance to trade Oliver if there’s a club out there dumb enough to do it? 
 

you think the club would’ve rejected the petty trade without checking with wce if the picks would get them Reid?

 

Oh and the picks add up to the year after, ie knowing they can trade a future first for Houston if they’re wary of rivers wanting to go home

in a12 months 

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by Deez21

15 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

“Would get”

 

olympic gold medal for you comprehension skills

 

if you don’t think clubs don’t explore every trade options available to them then your knowledge of footy isn’t great either 

 

Decisions are made with the whole picture in mind 

 

It’s a deep draft, imagine getting more picks in it? You think the club won’t explore that? You think they wouldn’t jump at the chance to trade Oliver if there’s a club out there dumb enough to do it? 
 

you think the club would’ve rejected the petty trade without checking with wce if the picks would get them Reid?

 

Oh and the picks add up to the year after, ie knowing they can trade a future first for Houston if they’re wary of rivers wanting to go home

in a12 months 

So the club is not worried about firsts because of the picks they "would get" if they did something that they are not going to do - that's some contradictory logic right there! Keep digging champ ...

7 hours ago, DubDee said:

Pick 7 from 2020-2022- Josh Ward, Cameron MacKenzie, Elijah Hollands

Any player selected at any pick in the past is irrelevant to weighing up 2024 pick 7 (if we end up where we currently are) and it's value in relation to a potential trade for DH.

The decision the FD must make is probably based upon:

- who is likely to be available at Pick 7 and their worth to us going forward

- is DH worth pick 7 (or more)?

- is our priority a ready made 28yo player or a top 10 draftee for the next 10+ years?

Personally, I want DH big time, but think pick 7 this year is more important for the long term success of our list.

Having said that, I don't think coaches who see the window starting to close look more than 12 months ahead. Eg. Dimma trading in Prestia, Hopper and Taranto for the farm

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by Moonshadow

Do we still have a no DH policy?

Could be a problem 

43 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

“Would get”

 

olympic gold medal for you comprehension skills

 

if you don’t think clubs don’t explore every trade options available to them then your knowledge of footy isn’t great either 

 

Decisions are made with the whole picture in mind 

 

It’s a deep draft, imagine getting more picks in it? You think the club won’t explore that? You think they wouldn’t jump at the chance to trade Oliver if there’s a club out there dumb enough to do it? 
 

you think the club would’ve rejected the petty trade without checking with wce if the picks would get them Reid?

 

Oh and the picks add up to the year after, ie knowing they can trade a future first for Houston if they’re wary of rivers wanting to go home

in a12 months 

I hope you're not writing this from school holiday program you naughty boy. 

31 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Any player selected at any pick in the past is irrelevant to weighing up 2024 pick 7 (if we end up where we currently are) and it's value in relation to a potential trade for DH.

The decision the FD must make is probably based upon:

- who is likely to be available at Pick 7 and their worth to us going forward

- is DH worth pick 7 (or more)?

- is our priority a ready made 28yo player or a top 10 draftee for the next 10+ years?

Personally, I want DH big time, but think pick 7 this year is more important for the long term success of our list.

Having said that, I don't think coaches who see the window starting to close look more than 12 months ahead. Eg. Dimma trading in Prestia, Hopper and Taranto for the farm

Watching gettable yesterday and the idea that at least 8/9 players could go pick 1, we’d be crazy to give it up for Houston because of “window”

 

reeks of the Tim Kelly trade 

18 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

Watching gettable yesterday and the idea that at least 8/9 players could go pick 1, we’d be crazy to give it up for Houston because of “window”

 

reeks of the Tim Kelly trade 

or, alternatively, there's no consensus pick 1 cos the top end talent coming thru this year isn't comparable to the best of previous years

i look at the nba where the current draft crop simply doesn't compare to the quality coming thru next year or the year before

Back to Houston…

2 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Back to Houston…

good to see kornes confirming something that has been being openly talked about since the pear had their bye

he's such a tool

anyone see the article he has on ninefax slagging off the dees? talks about us being an 'ageing list'

pretty sure we're younger, on average across the board and certainly on field, than we were last year

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Any player selected at any pick in the past is irrelevant to weighing up 2024 pick 7 (if we end up where we currently are) and it's value in relation to a potential trade for DH.

The decision the FD must make is probably based upon:

- who is likely to be available at Pick 7 and their worth to us going forward

- is DH worth pick 7 (or more)?

- is our priority a ready made 28yo player or a top 10 draftee for the next 10+ years?

Personally, I want DH big time, but think pick 7 this year is more important for the long term success of our list.

Having said that, I don't think coaches who see the window starting to close look more than 12 months ahead. Eg. Dimma trading in Prestia, Hopper and Taranto for the farm

The difference with Dimma is that he traded those players in when his stars were 30+.  Besides Gawn and May, our guns are all in their mid to late 20’s. Lever, Clarry and Trac are in their prime. So it’s a very different situation.   We also have greats kids coming through in Riv, McVee, JVR, Petty etc.  People who think we shouldn’t be going all out to win another one are kidding themselves.  

 

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by Demons11

26 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

good to see kornes confirming something that has been being openly talked about since the pear had their bye

he's such a tool

anyone see the article he has on ninefax slagging off the dees? talks about us being an 'ageing list'

pretty sure we're younger, on average across the board and certainly on field, than we were last year

What do you want those in the media to say? Nothing?

Sure, this has been spoken about but you had posters as recently as yesterday pointing Houston’s own commentary as a solid indication he’s staying at Port. 

Melbourne has the third oldest list on the league with many of our most established and important players rapidly approaching the end of their careers, or at least the twilight. Last year we were the seventh oldest list in the league, so no we’re not younger on average across the board.

 

6 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

What do you want those in the media to say? Nothing?

Sure, this has been spoken about but you had posters as recently as yesterday pointing Houston’s own commentary as a solid indication he’s staying at Port. 

Melbourne has the third oldest list on the league with many of our most established and important players rapidly approaching the end of their careers, or at least the twilight. Last year we were the seventh oldest list in the league, so no we’re not younger on average across the board.

 

fair

ugh, i'm just predisposed against him having had to deal with his bs and megalomania for three years

i'm sticking with the 'tool' and retracting everything else, although i swear we feel 'younger' this year than last year with the heap of kids coming thru

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by whatwhat say what

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Do we still have a no DH policy?

Could be a problem 

Think we've got enough of them on here..

3 hours ago, Deez21 said:

Moved him into the midfield just as he was starting to question whether it would happen. 

They let him go home regularly and kept it out the media.

Rivers is very happy in Melbourne but if you've met someone from WA ever, you'll now the love never leaves and certainly something he'd explore later on in his career. Nothing to worry about in the immediate future.

This is part of your reason for saying Riv possibly wants to go home? Sorry but this is laughable. “… the love never leaves.” Is it just people from WA? What about people from SA? QLD? NSW? Anywhere else in Australia? SMH

#SweepingGeneralisation

 

Edited August 8, 2024Aug 8 by WalkingCivilWar

12 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

What do you want those in the media to say? Nothing?

Sure, this has been spoken about but you had posters as recently as yesterday pointing Houston’s own commentary as a solid indication he’s staying at Port. 

Melbourne has the third oldest list on the league with many of our most established and important players rapidly approaching the end of their careers, or at least the twilight. Last year we were the seventh oldest list in the league, so no we’re not younger on average across the board.

 

Take TMc, B Brown, Melks and Tommo out and it will reduce the age factor a fair bit.

None of the above are now guns.

Probably BB and maybe Tommo or Melks out?

We are definetly going thru list/AFL side churn with a lot of younger players getting games this year. Jeffo still waiting in the wings with big wraps on him.

The issue is whether the new kids are as good as the guys they replace? Also are we developing young players that will be elite to replace our mid aged elites? That is why I would prefer we retain our 1st round pick this year.

Dan Houston will finish up around the same time as some of our current elites. We ideally want players who will replace them in due course.

 

25 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

What do you want those in the media to say? Nothing?

Sure, this has been spoken about but you had posters as recently as yesterday pointing Houston’s own commentary as a solid indication he’s staying at Port. 

Melbourne has the third oldest list on the league with many of our most established and important players rapidly approaching the end of their careers, or at least the twilight. Last year we were the seventh oldest list in the league, so no we’re not younger on average across the board.

 

While our list at the start of the year was third oldest (25.1 average), it’s more important to look at the age of best 22, which we are mid table.

We will actually be going down in average age for next year I’d say given the names that will be off our list.

10 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

When he was interviewed last week, he sounded pretty authentic about staying at Port. 

Didn't see the interview you're referring to ET but what you say reminds me of Rick Lever giving off similar media sound bites whilst still at the Crows when in reality our recruiting department had been working on getting him to the Dees six months out from his eventual move. 

51 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

The difference with Dimma is that he traded those players in when his stars were 30+.  Besides Gawn and May, our guns are all in their mid to late 20’s. Lever, Clarry and Trac are in their prime. So it’s a very different situation.   We also have greats kids coming through in Riv, McVee, JVR, Petty etc.  People who think we shouldn’t be going all out to win another one are kidding themselves.  

 

This is the glass half full attitude that has us still in win now mode. Trade in players try and win another one next year before our stars are too old. 
 

A glass half empty could be that Viney could be added to May and Max as those who’s best years are behind them. 
Trac is one year older than Dusty was when he had his kidney injury. He was never the same player afterwards. I think from all reports Tracs injury is worse than Dusty’s. 
We all know the issues with Clarry- hopefully he’s back to his best next year but it’s by no means a certainty.  Salem is in a similar boat.  
 

I probably sit in the middle at the minute. Given the amount of experience we are about to lose off the list we can’t just draft kids but we certainly can’t afford to pay overs for aging players or have anymore trading misses like we have had over the past few years. 
 

In short I’m happy if we get Houston but not at a cost that will stop us bringing in high end talent from this years draft. 

5 minutes ago, Colm said:

This is the glass half full attitude that has us still in win now mode. Trade in players try and win another one next year before our stars are too old. 
 

A glass half empty could be that Viney could be added to May and Max as those who’s best years are behind them. 
Trac is one year older than Dusty was when he had his kidney injury. He was never the same player afterwards. I think from all reports Tracs injury is worse than Dusty’s. 
We all know the issues with Clarry- hopefully he’s back to his best next year but it’s by no means a certainty.  Salem is in a similar boat.  
 

I probably sit in the middle at the minute. Given the amount of experience we are about to lose off the list we can’t just draft kids but we certainly can’t afford to pay overs for aging players or have anymore trading misses like we have had over the past few years. 
 

In short I’m happy if we get Houston but not at a cost that will stop us bringing in high end talent from this years draft. 

Think you will find Dusty was 30 when he injured his kidney, Trac is 28. But it could definitely affect him the same or potentially he gets back to his best. It’s all guessing at this point