Petty is struggling there. Tmac is dominating down back.

Does anyone think it's worth a shot maybe when Lever is back or Petty moved back?

Tommo is a strong mark in a pack. What we could use perhaps.

 

Tomlinson is a very rare pack mark, almost all his marks involve out positioning/bodying a forward and usually are going backwards for the ball, or occasionally out marking a small with reach.

Let’s see how Petty is and let’s see how Tommo’s backline form goes with Lever out - 2 or 3 more games like today would be excellent. But there’s nothing yet to say Tommo forward, if anything you’d roll the dice with T Mc again now he has more confidence in his body 

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by DeeSpencer

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Tomlinson is a very rare pack mark, almost all his marks involve out positioning/bodying a forward and usually are going backwards for the ball, or occasionally out marking a 

Let’s see how Petty is and let’s see how Tommo’s backline form goes with Lever out - 2 or 3 more games like today would be excellent. But there’s nothing yet to say Tommo forward, if anything you’d roll the dice with T Mc again now he has more confidence in his body 

Tmac was moving like his old self again today. I would love to see him fwd again so that works for me.

But I feel Tommo could not do any worse than Petty. Much so. A case of  Not losing anything trying.

Has been tried many times at GWS and again by us

not suited to it at all

played a great game down back

I've been saying this for awhile. His GWS forward experiment was 5 years ago. Do we have anything to lose? If he keeps playing this well he is to good to leave out when Lever comes back. Turner will need time at Casey. Tomlinson could also possibly give a chop out in the ruck. He is desperate to keep his place. Would throw everything at being a forward. Would also make us more flexible. I love Petty but he is sore and sadly out of form.

25 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

I've been saying this for awhile. His GWS forward experiment was 5 years ago. Do we have anything to lose? If he keeps playing this well he is to good to leave out when Lever comes back. Turner will need time at Casey. Tomlinson could also possibly give a chop out in the ruck. He is desperate to keep his place. Would throw everything at being a forward. Would also make us more flexible. I love Petty but he is sore and sadly out of form.

Love Petty too but two goals from nine games is just simply not enough. It's playing with one tall short so to speak.

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Has been tried many times at GWS and again by us

not suited to it at all

played a great game down back

This is simply untrue.

Please point out when he had been tried at senior level for us?

His 35 goals at GWS were over 8 seasons and a good deal were when he was playing wing

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Why not, just about every defender has been tried forward.

26 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is simply untrue.

Please point out when he had been tried at senior level for us?

His 35 goals at GWS were over 8 seasons and a good deal were when he was playing wing

Agree with this. I hope we are bold enough to try this. I'm prepared to say it could be a game changer. Tomlinson has great endurance, reasonable pace, will get to a contest and can take a grab. I think his goalkicking is OK. I fear if he has a bad one in the next two weeks he will be banished back to Casey. For me, that would be an error  

No to Tommo. I think Petty will eventually move down back when May retires and Jeffo comes of age. It’s just a temporary solution that may or may not work. 

35 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is simply untrue.

Please point out when he had been tried at senior level for us?

His 35 goals at GWS were over 8 seasons and a good deal were when he was playing wing

Early days in his career at GWS they tried to play him as a mobile tall forward and he was solid without being spectacular, i think given the way Brown is playing, it wouldn't hurt us to give him a go in the forward line. 

I really liked the signs from Turner though so when fit i'd have him back in

Tommo has the experience at GWS early.

He also has great strength in a 1 v 1 and reads the ball well with VG timing.  An indication of that are the marks he takes at the highest point (for him) occasionally.

While he's probably not the quickest over 10 or 20 meters he isn't the slowest either but does have the strength to probably push off an opponent and hit a leading lane for a few marks.

He's a lovely kick too.  Reckon he'd probably be quite accurate with good distance also.

I'd say a direct swap with Petty couldn't hurt while Lever is out but this won't happen as the FD & player hasn't had a chance to train it over a long enough period.

Half the problems with our forwards is the glacial slowness that the ball gets to them, then I don't think Thommo would do much if any better than Tmac, BBB, Petty, JVR etc

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

No to Tommo. I think Petty will eventually move down back when May retires and Jeffo comes of age. It’s just a temporary solution that may or may not work. 

Petty would need a 4 to 6 week break from the game to put in a mini pre-season to have any chance of impacting from here Gawndy.  Either that or similar time or a tad longer at Casey.

As i've said all season, the FD made a mistake bringing him back so early and not using Casey for a build up.

Do i think Goodwin & Co. will change their minds now and go for the above?  Not a chance as they'll lose face and no one likes to lose face.

Unless he ends up injured it appears Petty forward is going to continue on...until??

And at what cost.

I would have (and called for) pulling the trigger last week and trialled Fullo in for Petty vs Meth.

Now i am thinking Tommo wouldn't be a bad alternative (trial) once Lever returns if we could get a serious training block (playing as a KF) into Tommo before the switch.

May not have the mobility / leap of a Turner but he isn't far off and has years of experience, tank / endurance (see multiple leads,  doubling back etc) body work and strength as a big advantage over Disco...and by a long way.

Is the training block and/or switch likely to happen this season?  99% likely this won't happen.

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by Demon Dynasty

After arguably his best game today as a back I do find the timing on this question a bit strange Deevo but I'm all for lateral thinking.

Personally I don't see it happening, the void has always been there and if they haven't tried him there before there has to be a reason for it.

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Petty would need a 4 to 6 week break from the game to put in a mini pre-season to have any chance of impacting from here Gawndy.  Either that or similar time or a tad longer at Casey.

As i've said all season, the FD made a mistake bringing him back so early and not using Casey for a build up.

Do i think Goodwin & Co. will change their minds now and go for the above?  Not a chance as they'll lose face and no one likes to lose face.

Unless he ends up injured it appears Petty forward is going to continue on...until??

And at what cost.

I would have (and called for) pulling the trigger last week and trialled Fullo in for Petty vs Meth.

Now i am thinking Tommo wouldn't be a bad alternative (trial) once Lever returns if we could get a serious training block (playing as a KF) into Tommo before the switch.

May not have the mobility / leap of a Turner but he isn't far off and has years of experience, tank / endurance (see multiple leads,  doubling back etc) body work and strength as a big advantage over Disco...and by a long way.

Is the training block and/or switch likely to happen this season?  99% likely this won't happen.

That’s of course if the issue is fitness. I don’t think it is. Perry’s issue is connection with the forward line and often being out of position. Casey may fix his confidence but Tommo isnt going to magically solve the Petty issue. 

9 hours ago, layzie said:

After arguably his best game today as a back I do find the timing on this question a bit strange Deevo but I'm all for lateral thinking.

Personally I don't see it happening, the void has always been there and if they haven't tried him there before there has to be a reason for it.

Fair call.

More than happy to see him continue down back but from past experience I feel he will be eventually squeezed out  again for Lever.

He's a quality player who gives his all when required.

Im just thinking since Petty isn't really dominating up fwd than this could be a future possibility.

I'd be happy to trial Tmac up fwd again or anyone. With two goals from nine games now, it's becoming clear that Petty is not a fwd and bbb is cooked.

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25 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Fair call.

More than happy to see him continue down back but from past experience I feel he will be eventually squeezed out  again for Lever.

He's a quality player who gives his all when required.

Im just thinking since Petty isn't really dominating up fwd than this could be a future possibility.

I'd be happy to trial Tmac up fwd again or anyone. With two goals from nine games now, it's becoming clear that Petty is not a fwd and bbb is cooked.

One thing for sure is there will be a time when we need something different. All comes down to how much we can get out of Petty. 

11 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Tommo has the experience at GWS early.

He also has great strength in a 1 v 1 and reads the ball well with VG timing.  An indication of that are the marks he takes at the highest point (for him) occasionally.

While he's probably not the quickest over 10 or 20 meters he isn't the slowest either but does have the strength to probably push off an opponent and hit a leading lane for a few marks.

He's a lovely kick too.  Reckon he'd probably be quite accurate with good distance also.

I'd say a direct swap with Petty couldn't hurt while Lever is out but this won't happen as the FD & player hasn't had a chance to train it over a long enough period.

Tomlinson is the slowest over 10-20 metres though. 

I'd only play tommo as a forward if we wanted a hawkins type body forward (who tries to use hips to bump more). but i think as an earlier poster said its a lot different being the defender sitting on the back hip of a forward and being able to hold off the forward. switch roles and hes already in the wrong position and i 100% think our forwards wouldn't kick it to advantage for him anyway. I'd play a smaller more pressure forward forward line. 

No, but I do wonder if TMAC has the confidence in his body again to be put back up forward. 

This topic is depressing !

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by John Demonic

30 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Tomlinson is the slowest over 10-20 metres though. 

I was just going on visual as in not the quickest but probably not slowest either FT.

Where have you seen that and in what sense, vs all players on our list in those tests?

14 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Petty is struggling there. Tmac is dominating down back.

Does anyone think it's worth a shot maybe when Lever is back or Petty moved back?

Tommo is a strong mark in a pack. What we could use perhaps.

 

From what i recall from interviews Deevs, T-Mac has admitted he is probably not suited to playing his old forward role due to post recovery (with his foot problem) mobility, strength and speed issues (ie; foot limits him as to what is needed to play that role).

I'm almost certain we won't see him there again unless there's a disastrous injury run up forward on a game day or we need numbers forward desperately in red time.

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by Demon Dynasty

5 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

From what i recall from interviews Deevs, T-Mac has admitted he is probably not suited to playing his old forward role due to post recovery (with his foot problem) mobility, strength and speed issues (ie; foot limits him as to what is needed to play that role).

I'm almost certain we won't see him there again unless there's a disastrous injury run up forward on a game day.

Tbh I'd prefer he ( Tmac)  stay put.

He's been very good in his old role.

But we need some more scoring power.

I know we kicked 100 again but it was just St Kilda.

 

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by leave it to deever

47 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Tbh I'd prefer he ( Tmac)  stay put.

He's been very good in his old role.

But we need some more scoring power.

I know we kicked 100 again but it was just St Kilda.

 

Hopefully Smacca starts to pick up in the next 3 to 4 weeks Deevs.

Petty was brought back about 4 to 6 weeks too soon imho.  Not his fault.

I'm not sure why we name Fullo in the emergencies last week and then again this week.  What are we saying / doing here?  He misses playing at both levels so no chance to show his wares and no chance to maintain or improve his conditioning / form at any level.

So he's not getting a game at VFL level and if we keep naming him as emergency neither will he at senior level....ever!  So why did we recruit him?  Perplexing stuff.

I admire Goodwin's faith in keeping on keeping on with certain players he has faith in.  And in most cases he will be correct and they'll come good.  He knows the state of affairs better than anyone except the player themselves. 

But at some point you have to admit that certain strategies aren't working and review / reset.

That was last week imv against the Eagles.  Ideal time for a Fullo trial against them and the Saints this week but nup.  Opportunity to see what he might or might not bring missed and very poorly played by Simon imv.

Fullo would have (at least last week) brought some much needed relief for Max in the ruck without playing an under done out of form (up forward) Petty in that role instead.

Will Petty come good?  More than likely if you keep playing him for weeks / months on end he should eventually click.  But surely you don't want recovering players returning into a team taking 8 - 10+ weeks (in the seniors) before they finally start performing... even in an ordinary fashion (vs their optimum).

I would actually rather see up-and-coming player,  like Jeffo, given a short run entre' for a few weeks to show them the level required and allow them the chance to perform on the bigger stage (get excited by the prospect, no fear attitude coming in, nothing to lose, take your chances....incentive to work harder etc!) vs plodding along like this with a  player who is obviously nowhere near the level. 

And i'm not (and never have) putting this on Petty as such.  Just in general it doesn't make sense, regardless of the position played!

Edited May 26, 20241 yr by Demon Dynasty