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JvR Re-Signs until 2029

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5 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Jackson's case is also due to the pathetic protection that clubs have with their high draft picks. I have said it many times, 2 year contracts are laughable for top 10 players.

It should be 3 + 1 (club option).

Yep we were screwed, but Jacko got a medal and I'll be forever grateful to him for his contribution.  I even hope jesse gets some success having overcome huge issues. Not against us though, maybe the Pies.

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    4 hours ago, seventyfour said:

    Below are some of the better KPFs in the game today. Just players who were drafted in the last 6~ years, and the stat is goals kicked in their first four seasons (from debut).

    We all want, and need, JVR to be taking a leap this year - but patience is required.

    Season # 1 2 3 4
    JVR 28      
    M. King 22 38 52 28
    B. King 17 25 47 40
    McDonald 9 15 32  
    Curnow 5 20 34 18
    McKay 3 21 26 21
    Daniher 3 28 34 43
    Naughton 2 32 15 47
    Larkey 0 26 14 42
    Allen 0 20 18 28
    Average 9 25 30 33

    For reference, old mate Weideman kicked 3, 3, 10, 11....

    Your stats are misleading.

    You should have zero in van Rooyen's first year and 28 in his second.

    Larkey, Allen, and Naughton all played footy in their first year on a list, while van Rooyen didn't crack a game.

    Larkey and Allen played just 2 games, while Naughton played his entire first year as a key defender.

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    6 minutes ago, Gator said:

    Your stats are misleading.

    Yep exactly, can’t say it was JVR’s first full year when he’d completed two full pre seasons and those other players are coming off one

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    7 hours ago, bluey said:

    Lack of height plays against him, not a ruckman or a key forward.

    I would like to see him up the ground, half forward type.

    Unbelievable...

    He's the same height as Charlie Curnow 🤣

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    1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

    Yep we were screwed, but Jacko got a medal and I'll be forever grateful to him for his contribution.  I even hope jesse gets some success having overcome huge issues. Not against us though, maybe the Pies.

    Pies in a SF

    Brisbane in a PF

    Carlton in the GF

    😏

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    1 hour ago, Gator said:

    Your stats are misleading.

    You should have zero in van Rooyen's first year and 28 in his second.

    Larkey, Allen, and Naughton all played footy in their first year on a list, while van Rooyen didn't crack a game.

    Larkey and Allen played just 2 games, while Naughton played his entire first year as a key defender.

    I am pretty sure JVR could've played in his first year. However, the footy department made the wise decision to let him develop nicely at the VFL (premiership included).

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    6 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    I am pretty sure JVR could've played in his first year. However, the footy department made the wise decision to let him develop nicely at the VFL (premiership included).

    Your reply has zero to do with my post.

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    3 minutes ago, Gator said:

    Your reply has zero to do with my post.

    You are the one dismissing his first year because he was playing VFL footy, I think the way the stats were presented was spot on.

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    31 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    You are the one dismissing his first year because he was playing VFL footy, I think the way the stats were presented was spot on.

    Amusing.

    van Rooyen was drafted in 2021.  His first year of football was playing VFL in 2022.  His second year of footy was playing AFL in 2023, ie two years after he was drafted, yet it's counted in column ''1''.

    Larkey was drafted in 2016 and played just 2 games in 2017, while Allen was drafted in 2017 and played 2 games in 2018.  Their only 2 games in their respective first years are correctly counted in column ''1'', ie one year after they were drafted, yet van Rooyen's zero games are not.

    van Rooyen's second year on a list are matched against Allen's and Larkey's first year on a list. 

    If you can't see the discrepancy I'm not talented enough to educate you.

    Btw, I'm sure others in the stats provided are in the same boat as Allen and Larkey.

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    comparisons are meaningless, but...

    roo's 2023 vs tex walker at same age in 2010:

    • 20 games vs 18
    • 174 vs 213 disposals
    • 28 goal 9 vs 35.28
    • 78.2% vs 59.6% disposal efficiency 

    roo's 2023 vs joe daniher at the same age in 2014:

    • 20 vs 21
    • 174 vs 274 disposals
    • 28 goal 9 vs 28.20
    • 78.2% vs 65% disposal efficiency 

    roo's 2023 vs charlie curnow at the same age in 2017:

    • 20 vs 21
    • 174 vs 297 disposals
    • 28 goal 9 vs 20.12
    • 78.2% vs 77.4% disposal efficiency 

    compares pretty well for mine

    Edited by whatwhat say what

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    11 hours ago, bluey said:

    Lack of height plays against him, not a ruckman or a key forward.

    I would like to see him up the ground, half forward type.

    Lack of height?

    He's 194cm, the same height as Charlie Curnow and Taylor Walker...

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    4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Unbelievable...

    He's the same height as Charlie Curnow 🤣

    Charlie Curnow is a brick with sticky hands, can smash a pack,  doesn’t play in the ruck either champ.

    Jacob is brittle, all elbows and knees, with Valvoline hands.

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    3 hours ago, Gator said:

    Amusing.

    van Rooyen was drafted in 2021.  His first year of football was playing VFL in 2022.  His second year of footy was playing AFL in 2023, ie two years after he was drafted, yet it's counted in column ''1''.

    Larkey was drafted in 2016 and played just 2 games in 2017, while Allen was drafted in 2017 and played 2 games in 2018.  Their only 2 games in their respective first years are correctly counted in column ''1'', ie one year after they were drafted, yet van Rooyen's zero games are not.

    van Rooyen's second year on a list are matched against Allen's and Larkey's first year on a list. 

    If you can't see the discrepancy I'm not talented enough to educate you.

    Btw, I'm sure others in the stats provided are in the same boat as Allen and Larkey.

    Thanks for being condescending...🧐

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    8 hours ago, bluey said:

    Charlie Curnow is a brick with sticky hands, can smash a pack,  doesn’t play in the ruck either champ.

    Jacob is brittle, all elbows and knees, with Valvoline hands.

    You got it wrong. Just admit it.

    You said he was too short for KPF which I outlined he's the same height as Curnow.

    You're now trying to justify your argument by going completely off track.

    Just own it.

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    13 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    Pies in a SF

    Brisbane in a PF

    Carlton in the GF

    😏

    ...in 2026 or '27 ('24 and '25, at least, reserved for some unfinished business...)

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    23 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

    Don't think he'll grow any taller. He's 21

    What he lacks in height ..not that 194 is short...he makes up with his giant leap. One of the best.

    I would prefer to see him play chf with his athleticism and tank.

    And despite his leap maybe have someone taller giving Max a chop out. Although Jvrs skills at ground level are pretty good. Time will tell.

    I get the feeling that at the moment he's trying too hard. His hands are hitting the ball too fast and so he's not holding as many. Needs to just drop his hands at the last second and cushion the impact a little. Once he starts holding them which is mostly technical then he will be a weapon.

    I really think he's got a huge career ahead of him.

    And your spot on about loyalty.

    He averages 29% hit out to advantage, max averages 11% 

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    Just now, Demon trucker said:

    He averages 29% hit out to advantage, max averages 11% 

    Thanks DT.

    That's a fascinating stat and I'm quite surprised.

    He has to work extra hard in having to leap to overcome the height disadvantage but he's clearly doing what's expected. That said all that leaping probably wears him out somewhat.

    I think his ground skills he brings to a ruck duel are top notch.

    I guess in an ideal world I'd prefer a bigger second ruck for a number of reasons and also let Jvr at a young age focus on being a forward.

     

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    On 16/04/2024 at 20:05, WalkingCivilWar said:

    To celebrate Rooey re-signing, the Club is offering junior memberships for $29 for a limited time. At midnight last night I bought my unborn granddaughter membership for $65. Could’ve saved $36. Oh well, the money goes to the Club so it’s all good.

    *opens tonight’s packet of 2-minute noodles*

    I once bought my nephews a baby membership his father did not appreciate it being a Brisbane supporter

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    On 16/04/2024 at 20:16, BoBo said:

    Just like me she’ll have been indoctrinated into being a Dees supporter, haha. Born into a better era. 
     

    I lost interest in AFL in my younger years and even then, when people were saying we were finished as a club, I couldn’t change teams. Red and blue is in my blood.

    When i was little i read my birth certificate and it said i was a blue baby. No kidding.

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    On 17/04/2024 at 06:03, 58er said:

    Your a 48 er Mon same as me!! 

    Just a couple of kids

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    On 16/04/2024 at 17:25, old dee said:

    I hope you are right DS. It is early days I don't see it at present.  

    Seriously?

    JVR, who only tuned 21 two days ago, is so obviously a gun i'm astounded any footy fan could not see it. Obviously the club do.

    And its not just potential.

    His first season provides evidence of his ability and a clear sense of his ceiling.

    His first year of senior footy matches or exceeds that of every gun forward for the last 30 years, in including the current crop (King brothers, Oscar Allen, JUH, Amiss, Logan McDonald).

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    4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    You got it wrong. Just admit it.

    You said he was too short for KPF which I outlined he's the same height as Curnow.

    You're now trying to justify your argument by going completely off track.

    Just own it.

    I am not saying Jacob van Rooyen will kick 78 goals in a season but mark my words there is one area he is in front is his highly competitive nature. And he is missing marks now that he will take in 1or 2 years time.

    Jacob will  be as useful a player for us as Charlie is for Carlton during his career. His rucking role is under estimated and will improve his footy no doubt more he gets trusted. And he can go to defence as well for a cameo or lock down. You have not said much good about JVR but his best  oozes a very high upside once he gains confidence and more form. 

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    1 hour ago, binman said:

    Seriously?

    JVR, who only tuned 21 two days ago, is so obviously a gun i'm astounded any footy fan could not see it. Obviously the club do.

    And its not just potential.

    His first season provides evidence of his ability and a clear sense of his ceiling.

    His first year of senior footy matches or exceeds that of every gun forward for the last 30 years, in including the current crop (King brothers, Oscar Allen, JUH, Amiss, Logan McDonald).

    You may well be right Binman, it is just my personal opinion. I just don't see the potential that the majority see. I see a player who will be serviceable but not a very good KPF. I will be very happy to be wrong in a couple of years time. I do remember the club and supporters being all gung ho about the Weid and we know how that ended. 

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