On 09/03/2024 at 12:37, demon3165 said:

I along with others have been banging on about this for the last two years hope someone is reading this at Melbourne.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/03/09/they-were-impotent-why-do-melbourne-refuse-to-address-their-biggest-flaw/

1 Million % CORRECT! But you know what the answer is and the club won't have the Gonads to do it!!!

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:37, kev martin said:

Given his size and light frame, why isn't he flying above the packs. 

I agree, throw himself recklessly at the high ball get his knees up high and into the opps, worst effect is it puts some opps on the ground and pushes the ball front and centre.

If only the coaches would tell him that is what they want from him. If they are telling and he is not listening, then that culture, brand and Melbourne way doesn't work with him.

Take a leaf out of the book of Bowser.

Unfortunately some players are like that, Watts was another, you cannot instil that behaviour into someone unless they want to. 

  On 09/03/2024 at 22:49, Roost it far said:

Simplistic in that Key Forwards don’t fall out of trees but he’s right. We’re now banking on an injured backmen who may leave at years end to be our key forward. I really hope we’ve got the cheque book out at years end. Is Cadman contracted next year? I’d take JUH in a heartbeat. If Petty puts together a good season we need to sign him. We can’t go to the draft as we need a player Round 1 next year. 

I believe Cadman signed a contract extension - having seen him last night he is definitely going to be a very good footballer - clearly not ready last season but he now looks like he belongs - may not kick bags this season but probably doesn’t need to with Hogan, Brown , Greene , Daniels

He will be one of better forwards in the comp before too long IMO 

  On 09/03/2024 at 23:46, Slartibartfast said:

I love the way critics identify a problem and never offer a solution. Who Derm, and how?

You can only buy what people are selling. 

Actually it sounds like he's hinting for a coaching job.

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:58, loges said:

Actually it sounds like he's hinting for a coaching job.

Well maybe read his article again...

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:55, Sydee said:

I believe Cadman signed a contract extension - having seen him last night he is definitely going to be a very good footballer - clearly not ready last season but he now looks like he belongs - may not kick bags this season but probably doesn’t need to with Hogan, Brown , Greene , Daniels

He will be one of better forwards in the comp before too long IMO 

Look Mc Adam when fit might help with the problem he can take a mark and leads ok from what I have seen of him, the problem being is the how we bring it into the forward line and space given.

Just throw someone forward. It's worked in the past. Even for a quarter or a half:

Ray Biffen

Sean Wight

Neita

Petty

Steven May is the man.

Then throw someone, anyone back:

JVR, Fullerton.

 

We have to get creative.

 

 

 

  On 10/03/2024 at 03:01, bush demon said:

Just throw someone forward. It's worked in the past. Even for a quarter or a half:

Ray Biffen

Sean Wight

Neita

Petty

Steven May is the man.

Then throw someone, anyone back:

JVR, Fullerton.

 

We have to get creative.

 

 

 

Personally I’m a bit surprised we haven’t seen May forward at least in short bursts 

He does read the play well which is very important if you want to be a good forward 

Plenty on here keep asking why Stafford is still the forward coach for a couple of years now.

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:43, demon3165 said:

I suggest you better start reading people's post then, people on here refuse to see there is a problem and plenty of them, and yes people watch the game with rose coloured glasses.

I suggest pretty much everyone on here knows there is a problem.

The coach knows it, the FD knows it.

As for the headline about us refusing to address it, I would say that's a crock.

We've tried a raft of things to address it, some have been successful for short periods, others not.

Injury & unavailability has been a big part of the problem...along with unavailable options of players to poach from elsewhere.

That is not refusing to address the problem.

  On 10/03/2024 at 05:07, rjay said:

I suggest pretty much everyone on here knows there is a problem.

The coach knows it, the FD knows it.

As for the headline about us refusing to address it, I would say that's a crock.

We've tried a raft of things to address it, some have been successful for short periods, others not.

Injury & unavailability has been a big part of the problem...along with unavailable options of players to poach from elsewhere.

That is not refusing to address the problem.

It's been a problem for two years the coach admits it, so tell me how they have tried to make it work when you have a game plan that's down the line play and contest to contest.

That's not to say McAdam who can take a mark that could help but you have to ask why he was not a regular in the crows side.

 

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:43, demon3165 said:

I suggest you better start reading people's post then, people on here refuse to see there is a problem and plenty of them, and yes people watch the game with rose coloured glasses.

Demon3165 most on this site understand that we have a forward 50 connection problem. In the last two years we have run out of key forwards leading into our finals campaigns with devastating results, however what hurt us the most was goal kicking accuracy. This year we have bought in McAdam, Fullarton, Billings to provide a different skill mix and help improve connection and to provide Max with a chop out. But we have started the year without Petty, Brown, McAdam and Fullarton due to injury and Kozzie due to suspension. Only time will tell whether the addition of this group will help us improve connection But I would bring Fullarton or Verrall into the team immediately and send Josh back to Casey.

  On 10/03/2024 at 05:25, demon3165 said:

It's been a problem for two years the coach admits it, so tell me how they have tried to make it work when you have a game plan that's down the line play and contest to contest.

That's not to say McAdam who can take a mark that could help but you have to ask why he was not a regular in the crows side.

 

Lets start with McAdam, like he's not in our side now he spent a lot of time injured at Adelaide.

Ok, we've been through this a lot but you don't want to believe it.

We all know there's a problem, the coach, the FD, the fans, the media...

The game plan can be argued, it drives me to distraction as well.

...but if we don't have the forwards it's no point opening the game up for opposition rebound.

We would get scored heavily against.

As much as I hate the game plan, I don't think it's the issue.

It's the cattle...you can't put out a forward line of Schache, Chandler, Laurie & Spargo and expect big scores.

...but the options weren't really there.

Every time we've come up with something that looks to work injury has struck us down.

Petty straightens us up, McAdam will be a help and I reckon Tholstrup will be a beauty.

Kozzy cost us big time the other night.

The game plan will change when we get the forward mix right. Bringing Salem into the midfield mix will also be a big help, but again injury (Bowey) might torpedo this. I sure hope we persist.

We're not refusing to acknowledge there is a problem, as you say Goody himself acknowledges it to the point of boredom.

 

 

Edited March 10, 20241 yr by rjay

  On 10/03/2024 at 07:48, rjay said:

Lets start with McAdam, like he's not in our side now he spent a lot of time injured at Adelaide.

Ok, we've been through this a lot but you don't want to believe it.

We all know there's a problem, the coach, the FD, the fans, the media...

The game plan can be argued, it drives me to distraction as well.

...but if we don't have the forwards it's no point opening the game up for opposition rebound.

We would get scored heavily against.

As much as I hate the game plan, I don't think it's the issue.

It's the cattle...you can't put out a forward line of Schache, Chandler, Laurie & Spargo and expect big scores.

...but the options weren't really there.

Every time we've come up with something that looks to work injury has struck us down.

Petty straightens us up, McAdam will be a help and I reckon Tholstrup will be a beauty.

Kozzy cost us big time the other night.

The game plan will change when we get the forward mix right. Bringing Salem into the midfield mix will also be a big help, but again injury (Bowey) might torpedo this. I sure hope we persist.

We're not refusing to acknowledge there is a problem, as you say Goody himself acknowledges it to the point of boredom.

 

 

Agree with this, we might not have the best forward 6 in the league but let’s see if we can get all of JVR, Petty, McAdam, Fritsch and Kozzie (and perhaps Fullerton) playing together before we judge it for the year 

You could put Jbrown in our forward line and he couldnt kick the goals.

It is a system problem then a personnel problem

We should be isoating fritta and playing to his strengths as our best fwd

We have a great forward coach at melbourne

Its Melk

  On 10/03/2024 at 04:50, loges said:

Plenty on here keep asking why Stafford is still the forward coach for a couple of years now.

Yes tho it’s on the FD and Goody. Can’t understand his continued support of the Club it’s got to change as has our luck with injury etc . 

  On 10/03/2024 at 07:48, rjay said:

It's the cattle...you can't put out a forward line of Schache, Chandler, Laurie & Spargo and expect big scores.

I believe they all have their strengths that the structure doesn't cater to.

Schache can mark well when given clear air and is a good kick. Needs the others to kick well to him and for the halves to pushing be away from goal.

Chandler will hit the ball at pace, manoeuvre in tight areas and when 'on', snaps well. Ball has to hit the ground or a chaos delivery, for him to come into his own. 

Laurie is more of a mid, though works best when the stoppages occur, powerful through the hips and will bring others into play.

Spargo is a pressure forward, though if they get the ball into his hands outside the 50, he can hit up players. Bombing it in, then he is focused on the defender and not creating.

Edited March 10, 20241 yr by kev martin

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:09, kev martin said:

I believe they all have their strengths that the structure doesn't cater to.

Schache can mark well when given clear air and is a good kick. Needs the others to kick well to him and for the halves to pushing be away from goal.

Chandler will hit the ball at pace, manoeuvre in tight areas and when 'on', snaps well. Ball has to hit the ground or a chaos delivery, for him to come into his own. 

Laurie is more of a mid, though works best when the stoppages occur, powerful through the hips and will bring others into play.

Spargo is a pressure forward, though if they get the ball into his hands outside the 50, he can hit up players. Bombing it in, then he is focused on the defender and not creating.

Sorry 'kev', but you just can't run a forward line like that at AFL level and expect a positive result against good teams.

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:09, kev martin said:

I believe they all have their strengths that the structure doesn't cater to.

Schache can mark well when given clear air and is a good kick. Needs the others to kick well to him and for the halves to pushing be away from goal.

Chandler will hit the ball at pace, manoeuvre in tight areas and when 'on', snaps well. Ball has to hit the ground or a chaos delivery, for him to come into his own. 

Laurie is more of a mid, though works best when the stoppages occur, powerful through the hips and will bring others into play.

Spargo is a pressure forward, though if they get the ball into his hands outside the 50, he can hit up players. Bombing it in, then he is focused on the defender and not creating.

But thats our smalls minus Kossie. What about our talls? 

 

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:46, picket fence said:

1 Million % CORRECT! But you know what the answer is and the club won't have the Gonads to do it!!!

Yes what is it Picket? 

I have been remincising about our smash and dash days in 2018. Was it really that bad a tactic?

Kept the pressure on the oppo and skills werent required then either

Is it just me or has Viney gotten even better?

Wow

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:13, rjay said:

Sorry 'kev', but you just can't run a forward line like that at AFL level and expect a positive result against good teams.

Let the opps defend grass by zone, push everyone out and get our best kicks to deliver with precision. The congestion in there is the last few seasons strategy (Though it allows us to hold the ball in).

I believe we should congest the wings and our back area, and open our forward area, at least sometimes during the game. Open forward area allows us leads to the flanks and ability to get it over the back.

Edited March 10, 20241 yr by kev martin

  On 10/03/2024 at 01:35, Brownie said:

I completely agree Kev.

Another kpf would take pressure off JVR but ultimately if the delivery forward continues to be rubbish, then having Petty there won't make much difference.

I think Tracc's burst out of the centre and McVees beautiful pass to Fritta were the only two clean entries into our forward line all night that I can recall. 

There seems to be no clear system. The only change I could see was that instead of long bombs, occasionally there were low hard kicks delivered in. But.... Still to a pack of players.

We have to try something different with what we have up forward.

Adapt or die

 

New coach please for a start.

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:16, 58er said:

But thats our smalls minus Kossie. What about our talls? 

 

The talls are too one dimensional. Straight line leads, no repeat efforts or coordination between them. The three talls could all be moving in opposite directions, then going again, making space and causing the opps to be spinning their heads in confusion. The static set up we have at the moment is a defenders dream.

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:21, kev martin said:

Let the opps defend grass by zone, push everyone out and get our best kicks to deliver with precision. The congestion in there is the last few seasons strategy (Though it allows us to hold the ball in).

I believe we should congest the wings and our back area, and open our forward area, at least sometimes during the game. Open forward gives us leads to the flanks and ability to get it over the back.

And thats where BBB and TMac exelled in 21 lead up and marking leaving fritter and kossie to create

  On 10/03/2024 at 08:26, kev martin said:

The talls are too one dimensional. Straight line leads, no repeat efforts or coordination between them. The three talls could all be moving in opposite directions, then going again, making space and causing the opps to be spinning their heads in confusion. The static set up we have at the moment is a defenders dream.

So where does the accountability for this lay?

tne fwd coach?