Jump to content

Featured Replies

11 hours ago, dl4e said:

I think he theory with Jefferson is he will learn the game better from the back half.

Yep, learn the fwd craft by playing down back; see where the fwds run and how to position themselves

 
23 minutes ago, Jontee said:

Yep and it was recognised as a mistake

I remember at the time, thinking, why are they crucifying Fritsch of half back!?

I get the feeling that playing 5 talls in the forward line won’t help anybody develop. JVR needs somebody in the forward line with him that knows what they’re doing. Someone to run patterns with, block for him and be a threat of their own. Schache was none of this and offered little in the ruck from what I saw too. Maximum opportunity to the immediate solutions (brown, fullarton) is fine by me. I expect petty to be given clean space to operate on his return too. Jefferson will be 20 this year. If he’s not pressing a good case mid year I’ll join a chorus saying it’s a failed pick. But in a preseason match where we have afl issues to solve, I’d happily have him be ruled out of contention for now. 

 

Wow, so much handwringing with Jefferson in a back pocket for a practise match in the VFL!  It's common for forwards to play some time as backs to see leading patterns etc. 

Also consider:

BBB and Fullerton are more likely to get a senior call up before Jefferson, possibly even this week against the dogs, they probably got priority as forwards for this match so we can see them as an option for round 1.

Verral and KFW had the ruck duties, and TMac is playing as a back this year, that is where he trained all year, why would that be a surprise.  

Breathe people, you're gonna pop a blood vessel before round 4!!! 

I felt sorry for Jefferson at numerous points last year because that forward line he was trying to get a kick in was land of the giants and even with injuries this year, it’s still massive. 
 

He battled along side Tmac, BB, Joel Smith, Schache at numerous points last year and still kicked 20 odd goals. 
 

This year he’s still battling BB, Schache will be back there, Fullarton potentially + Verrall and Kyah Farris-White. Unfortunately I think this year will be another of development for Jeffo but the fact Melbourne extended his contract very quickly to the end of 26’ shows what the club know they have in my opinion. Next year, a lot of those older fringe talls will be gone, and Jeffo will be able to have some space to get to work. 
 

Big forwards take time. JVR was the anomaly of that in his second season last year, not normality. 


I don’t mind playing developing forwards in defensive roles for a while.

It can help in a bunch of ways - freshen them up a bit, learn what makes life hard for a defender and it can also help a bit with intensity and physicality (which Jefferson lacks).

No room to hide in the backline - you can’t drop a mark or miss a contest/tackle and you can’t waste a kick.

I love reading that we're giving Jeffo a go down back. He's a mile off AFL footy as a key forward. Years away. But he has great skills and will find more of the ball down back. And with May and Tomlinson in the best 22 (contrasted with Petty/JVR as the forwards) we need to bring young tall defenders through. Disco's out for a long time. So let's have a good look at Jeffo as well as Adams and see if one of them can work towards a debut sooner than later.

I can definitely see the Mitch McGovern/Harry Himmelberg comparisons.

Otherwise without stats and a proper report it's hard to know how the boys are going but Sestan seems to be hitting the score board consistently in practice games which is nice to see.

 

 
58 minutes ago, Demon 16 said:

I don’t mind playing developing forwards in defensive roles for a while.

It can help in a bunch of ways - freshen them up a bit, learn what makes life hard for a defender and it can also help a bit with intensity and physicality (which Jefferson lacks).

No room to hide in the backline - you can’t drop a mark or miss a contest/tackle and you can’t waste a kick.

One of the best CHB we ever had became a great forward.Go Neita


1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

all this handwringing about jefferson is absurd

23 goals in his first vfl season is not bad

give the kid a chance to develop

23 goals really is pretty average. its not amazing.

he needs to bulk up considerably 

7 minutes ago, Tracca said:

23 goals really is pretty average. its not amazing.

he needs to bulk up considerably 

Average? Are you joking? Look at the forward line he was trying to get a kick in at Casey? Smith, BB, Tmac, Schache. 
 

the kid barely had a chance. If you think delivery into the forward line is bad in the senior side, try watching Casey. 

Of course he needs to bulk up, he’s a kid. Not everyone is like Roo. 

1 minute ago, 12345_54321 said:

Average? Are you joking? Look at the forward line he was trying to get a kick in at Casey? Smith, BB, Tmac, Schache. 
 

the kid barely had a chance. If you think delivery into the forward line is bad in the senior side, try watching Casey. 

Of course he needs to bulk up, he’s a kid. Not everyone is like Roo. 

Roo was skinny when he got here too.

 

BB and tmac were injured last year and smith was in our seniors at times.

and yp i think 23 goals is average for a season that we made finals too

3 minutes ago, 12345_54321 said:

Average? Are you joking? Look at the forward line he was trying to get a kick in at Casey? Smith, BB, Tmac, Schache. 
 

the kid barely had a chance. If you think delivery into the forward line is bad in the senior side, try watching Casey. 

Of course he needs to bulk up, he’s a kid. Not everyone is like Roo. 

i watched most games at casey when at home, and imo i dont think jeffo has it. hes quite lazy at 2nd efforts. this could come with maturity, but this is a make or break year for me. if he cant get in front of josh schache, then you have serious issues.

1 minute ago, Tracca said:

Roo was skinny when he got here too.

 

BB and tmac were injured last year and smith was in our seniors at times.

and yp i think 23 goals is average for a season that we made finals too

Roo came into the club at 88 kgs. He’s now about 96-97.

 

Jefferson came into Melbourne at 76kgs and now sits at 86-87.

 

evidently you don’t watch Casey, so making comments on what’s good and or average seems irrelevant in your argument. 
 

go back and watch Casey last season and you see how that ball is delivered and the players around Jefferson consistently taking up space. 


2 minutes ago, Tracca said:

i watched most games at casey when at home, and imo i dont think jeffo has it. hes quite lazy at 2nd efforts. this could come with maturity, but this is a make or break year for me. if he cant get in front of josh schache, then you have serious issues.

A second year 19 year old key forwards make or break year is their second season in the AFL? What a load of rubbish😂

 

says all you need to know. 

1 minute ago, 12345_54321 said:

Roo came into the club at 88 kgs. He’s now about 96-97.

 

Jefferson came into Melbourne at 76kgs and now sits at 86-87.

 

evidently you don’t watch Casey, so making comments on what’s good and or average seems irrelevant in your argument. 
 

go back and watch Casey last season and you see how that ball is delivered and the players around Jefferson consistently taking up space. 

I said I do watch casey. I go every home game, I live opposite the ground. its still a wait and see for me, at the moment I dont think hes going to make it but hey Id be happy if i was wrong

23 minutes ago, Tracca said:

i watched most games at casey when at home, and imo i dont think jeffo has it. hes quite lazy at 2nd efforts. this could come with maturity, but this is a make or break year for me. if he cant get in front of josh schache, then you have serious issues.

Edited by DeeZone
Incorrect info.

4 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

For comparison sake Tracca JVR kicked 28 goals in his first season at Casey and was quite a bit more developed that Jefferson, Jeffo kicked 23 goals, that’s pretty similar. I wouldn’t write him off to quickly all talls develop differently, this year he needs to build body mass and muscle, he is a good mark and kick already. Hopefully he kicks 30-40 goals at Casey and puts his hand up for selection later in the year.

hey mate thats incorrect JVR kicked 42 goals 

1 minute ago, Tracca said:

hey mate thats incorrect JVR kicked 42 goals 

again totally hope im wrong, i just cant see it, I see Michael Newton vibes


17 hours ago, Redleg said:

Jefferson in the back pocket, seriously?

Must be trying to teach him something.

Sometime-backup for May?

4 minutes ago, Tracca said:

hey mate thats incorrect JVR kicked 42 goals 

Ha ha he actually kicked 28 on debut, heat must be getting to me. Lol.!!

1 minute ago, DeeZone said:

Ha ha he actually kicked 28 on debut, heat must be getting to me. Lol.!!

lol

 

it is hot!

 
3 hours ago, Jontee said:

Yep, learn the fwd craft by playing down back; see where the fwds run and how to position themselves

At this stage of his career, yep, the perfect conditioning for forward nouse (and how it might be beaten).

22 minutes ago, Tracca said:

lol

 

it is hot!

Check the humidity it seems that is cryptonite for some living in the southern state that claims to be “different”


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 11

    Round 11, the second week of The Sir Doug Nicholls Round, kicks off on Thursday night with the Cats hosting the Bulldogs at Kardinia Park. Geelong will be looking to to continue their decade long dominance over the Bulldogs, while the Dogs aim to take another big scalp as they surge up the ladder. On Friday night it's he Dreamtime at the 'G clash between Essendon and Richmond. The Bombers will want to avoid another embarrassing performance against a lowly side whilst the Tigers will be keen to avenge a disappointing loss to the Kangaroos. Saturday footy kicks off as the Blues face the Giants in a pivotal clash for both clubs. Carlton need to turn around their up and down season while GWS will be eager to bounce back and reassert themselves as a September threat. At twilight sees the Hawks taking on the Lions at the G. Hawthorn need to cement themselves in the Top 4 but they’ll need to be at their best to challenge a Brisbane side eager to respond after last week’s crushing loss to the Dees on their home turf. The first of the Saturday night double headers opens with North Melbourne up against the high-flying Magpies. The Roos will need a near-perfect performance to trouble a Collingwood side sitting atop the ladder.

      • Like
    • 291 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Sydney

    The two teams competing at the MCG on Sunday afternoon have each traversed a long and arduous path since their previous encounter on a sweltering March evening in Sydney a season and a half ago. Both experienced periods of success at various times last year. The Demons ran out of steam in midseason while the Swans went on to narrowly miss the ultimate prize in the sport. Now, they find themselves outside of finals contention as the season approaches the halfway mark. The winner this week will remain in contact with the leading pack, while the loser may well find itself on a precipice, staring into the abyss. The current season has presented numerous challenges for most clubs, particularly those positioned in the middle tier. The Essendon experience in suffering a significant 91-point loss to the Bulldogs, just one week after defeating the Swans, may not be typical, but it illustrates the unpredictability of outcomes under the league’s present set up. 

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 16 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Brisbane

    “Max Gawn has been the heart and soul of the Dees for years now, but this recent recovery from a terrible start has been driven by him. He was everywhere again, and with the game in the balance, he took several key marks to keep the ball in the Dees forward half.” - The Monday Knee Jerk Reaction: Round Ten Of course, it wasn’t the efforts of one man that caused this monumental upset, but rather the work of the coach and his assistants and the other 22 players who took the ground, notably the likes of Jake Melksham, Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver and Kozzie Pickett but Max has been magnificent in taking ownership of his team and its welfare under the fire of a calamitous 0-5 start to the season. On Sunday, he provided the leadership that was needed to face up to the reigning premier and top of the ladder Brisbane Lions on their home turf and to prevail after a slow start, during which the hosts led by as much as 24 points in the second quarter. Titus O’Reily is normally comedic in his descriptions of the football but this time, he was being deadly serious. The Demons have come from a long way back and, although they still sit in the bottom third of the AFL pack, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel as they look to drive home the momentum inspired in the past four or five weeks by Max the Magnificent who was under such great pressure in those dark, early days of the season.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Southport

    The Southport Sharks came to Casey. They saw and they conquered a team with 16 AFL-listed players who, for the most part, wasted their time on the ground and failed to earn their keep. For the first half, the Sharks were kept in the game by the Demons’ poor use of the football, it’s disposal getting worse the closer the team got to its own goal and moreover, it got worse as the game progressed. Make no mistake, Casey was far and away the better team in the first half, it was winning the ruck duels through Tom Campbell’s solid performance but it was the scoreboard that told the story.

      • Like
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Sydney

    Just a game and percentage outside the Top 8, the Demons return to Melbourne to face the Sydney Swans at the MCG, with a golden opportunity to build on the momentum from toppling the reigning premiers on their own turf. Who comes in, and who makes way?

      • Like
    • 501 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we analyse a famous victory by the Demons over the Lions at the Gabba.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 35 replies
    Demonland