Maynard must get at least four weeks

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I think you're right.

He would have a career in the media to fall onto.

I'm not an alarmist and I try to be positive but it's only a game.  I do not want Gus to have any short term or long term issues related to CTE

[Jaded No More 59,157]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

I'm not an alarmist and I try to be positive but it's only a game.  I do not want Gus to have any short term or long term issues related to CTE

Exactly. We love what Gus brings to the club and we know what a great player he is. We also know that if he retires we lose a top 10 gun player for absolutely nothing. It hurts to think about because it makes us a weaker side. 
 

But we are all selfish, and the bottom line is that he is 27 years old. He has 50+ years of life left to live. He is incredibly smart and will be successful in many other things outside of football. He is about to get married. Maybe have a family of his own. 
To put all that at risk for football would be a brave move but a dumb one. I said the same thing about Paddy McCartin, football is a season of life, it’s not your whole life. 
To still have a brain that fully functions 30 years from now trumps any football achievement and any success he could possibly have. 

[layzie 29,782]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

I'm not an alarmist and I try to be positive but it's only a game.  I do not want Gus to have any short term or long term issues related to CTE

Absolutely 100% nail on head. 

[Macca 16,173]

23 minutes ago, layzie said:

Absolutely 100% nail on head. 

Yeah, reality sets in after we've spent 3 days wanting justice

Maynard will get his cumeuppence sooner or later

What really matters is Gus' health

From a football point of view, we'll all get by

Edited September 10, 2023 by Macca

[brendan 3,418]

Yep not worth it, he has a premiership time to give it up gussy, you owe the club nothing he needs to think about his future, could be 1 more hit away from no return 

[kev martin 9,323]

38 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yes I completely misunderstood the comment as it was initially stated that legal action would be pursued against Maynard himself

Easy to misunderstand, I said something leading to this, as a bit tongue in cheek. 

[biggestred 4,377]

24 minutes ago, Macca said:

 

Maynard will get his cumeuppence sooner or later

No he wont. They won the game, will now probably make a GF and we lose our best shot. The general public thinks hes hard done by and gus should have moved. He may even not get a suspension. 

Thuggery, as it did in the 2000 GF, wins. Again.

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, biggestred said:

No he wont. They won the game, will now probably make a GF and we lose our best shot. The general public thinks hes hard done by and gus should have moved. He may even not get a suspension. 

Thuggery, as it did in the 2000 GF, wins. Again.

My adage in life has always been ...

[censored] things happen to [censored] people

So he'll get his right whack one day (no pun intended)

 

[biggestred 4,377]

I hope so Macca, i hope so. 

 

Interestingly is this a case to introduce a red card system? Surely itd be see you later maynard in that situation. 

[Monbon 1,537]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol he's not going to pursue legal action Macca.

Every game is a risk for any player to be knocked out by an opposition player. Players get knocked all the time

I know we are all over emotional about the circumstances but it really is over the top that you'd think Gus who's got a history of concussion and knew the risk that he was one hit away from career ending would personally sought legal action against that one particular player.

Name me the last player to pursue legal action against an opposition player for this particular case in the last 20 years?

None, because they simply don't have the ground to stand on. You put yourself at risk playing a contact sport.

Maynard will be dealt with appropriately. 

You seem to forget that there are so-called Laws of the game which are designed to deter thugs from inflicting life-long damage. Every form of sport called 'football' by any name, e.g. rugby, soccer, inherently puts a player 'at risk'.  However, it is, in the end, a sport not a battlefield or a colosseum, and there is the concept called 'Laws of the Game', laws made to protect partakers from life-threatening forms of assault, which, in the end, is what Maynard perpetrated on his so-called mate and drinking buddy. Your statement that 'you put yourself at risk playing a contact sport' is true only as far as what can be fairly described as accidents, but it should not put you at risk of sustaining  'Common Assault.'

[Min Xie 284]

5 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

On a lighter note... it was Brayden Maynard who stood the mark when Dom Sheed kicked a certain excellent goal once upon a grand final. So, he'll always have that.

Thanks, LG, I almost forgot Maynard was there, all I can recall is the chain of play: McGover’s mark and kick——Vardy’s mark and kick——Liam Rayn’s mark and kick——Dom Sheed’s mark and goal. After Dom Sheed’s mark, “Maynard gestured to umpire Brett Rosebury a blocking free kick to be paid, but the appeal fell on deaf ears “(The Age).

During the same match, Liam Ryan crunched Maynard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwC2PWwbEMI

“The hit is deemed a legal hip-and-shoulder by umpires since Ryan didn't catch Maynard high or in the back”(Daily Mail). I don’t have any issues with that bump because it was in front of Maynard’s body, and it may have pushed the air out of him for a moment. Maynard briefly left the field but returned later. If Maynard had made a similar bump to Gus, as long as directed at the front of the body and not the head, I would have accepted it,

[Older demon 2,191]

AS I am overseas and not privy to all the media can someone answer these questions

Ha anyone seen the medical report? The severity will impact the tribunal. We all think we know but the medical report always has an impact on MRO proceedings.

I assume Gus has been discharged?
There is the mention of neck pain, has he sustained and injury to his neck or just bruising?
Was there memory loss?
Is he still experiencing headaches and other symptoms such as light sensitivity?
What is his current mental state? Anxiety, vertigo etc.
Will the Gus & Gawny podcast proceed this week?

From Track's interview it appears many of these are present and his throw away line about his future suggests to me that there is no way Gus plays again this season. Surely there must be serious doubt about his playing future.

As for Maynard, Whately summed it up best "Once Maynard chose to jump in the air he ignored his duty of care". Maybe he limited his safe options and had nowhere to go but he made head contact and is culpable. Kane Cornes is a [censored] of the highest order and Rama is misguided. Yes it is a football act but a dangerous one which is in all cases when you choose to bump with a bad outcome a dangerous one. Just pay the price.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Older demon

[The heart beats true 16,486]

4 minutes ago, biggestred said:

The general public thinks hes hard done by and gus should have moved.

I don’t know about the general public. I think Collingwood people are skewing the media landscape. The Age ran a poll asking people if they thought Maynard had a case to answer and 47% said he did (from over 5k responses). Given the scale of Collingwood’s supporter base, and their level of engagement with current football stories, that tells me that the average punter reckons this is clearly wrong.

The landscape for football also needs to shift in order to create growth - both in audiences and participation. More women, more migrants, and more supporters coming from other sports. Those audiences and players want skill and goals, not concussions. The game is changing. The audience is changing. The media response to this is old fashioned, but don’t mistake it for the public consensus.

[layzie 29,782]

4 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I don’t know about the general public. I think Collingwood people are skewing the media landscape. The Age ran a poll asking people if they thought Maynard had a case to answer and 47% said he did (from over 5k responses). Given the scale of Collingwood’s supporter base, and their level of engagement with current football stories, that tells me that the average punter reckons this is clearly wrong.

The landscape for football also needs to shift in order to create growth - both in audiences and participation. More women, more migrants, and more supporters coming from other sports. Those audiences and players want skill and goals, not concussions. The game is changing. The audience is changing. The media response to this is old fashioned, but don’t mistake it for the public consensus.

The landscape for people's thinking needs to shift too. Enough of this garbage about "If this is how it is then the game is stuffed" talk. People need to grow up and smell the coffee. 

It's like those air heads that say what Tom Morris said last year was how people talk and how "If the public heard how they talked in private they'd be stuffed" let's raise the standards a bit. 

What got us here won't get us there.

[OhMyDees 1,342]

I’ll bet you London to a Brick that if Maynard misses for the rest of the season they’ll turn the narrative into win the flag for ‘Bruzzie’ and some filth player will give their medal to him if they win. Sickening!

[Jaded No More 59,157]

The game is not stuffed if he gets suspended because we see 100 smother attempts a week and not one of them ends in a guy laying unconscious on the turf. 
Plenty of ways to smother a ball, including by leaving the ground, that don’t end up with a player fighting for his career. See Kosi on Hoskin Elliot later in the game. 

Anyone who sees that side on vision and see Maynard turn his body, which is exactly the position from which I saw it happen sitting on the wing, will know Maynard went in with the intention to hurt Gus once it was obvious the ball went past him. To suggest anything else is deluded and naive. 

[kev martin 9,323]

27 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

 The landscape for football also needs to shift in order to create growth - both in audiences and participation.

I think it will move when the first litigation for the CTE (Chronic traumatic encephalopathy) cost the insurance companies money, and the premiums sky rocket across all levels, then change will occur.

The progress of reducing the head hits as very little to do ethics and morality, though a fair bit with the games look, but primarily the dollars.

I can see him getting off. Big club, big name, big money for KC, then off to appeals for a technical interpretation. 

It is why I made the tongue in cheek remark about suing the number 4 and those who say it is a consequence of football act.

Edited September 10, 2023 by kev martin

[napster 181]

A load of BS about Maynard and his ‘footy act’. We see lots of footy acts, ie kicking the ball, marking, hand balling, etc. Most smothers we see involve players putting their own safety on the line and flying across the ball’s trajectory and risking the ball impacting them on the head, or being kicked by the kicker. When was the last time we saw a ‘footy act’ exactly like Maynard’s? If there has been, it would be one in a million of the 'footy acts' we see, but one with a terrible outcome. Not a footy act, a dog act.

Edited September 10, 2023 by napster

[Ouch! 2,044]

One of the first stories to show up on news.com.au

‘Career ending’: Horror update on AFL star

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dees-stars-insight-into-concussed-teammate-as-bump-debate-rages/news-story/e6165e830b0c3f5650e560feaad04963
I wonder if this shifts any in the media on the incident.  The narrative about protecting the head up until now, has all been about CTE and concussion for people who have left the game, having an actual incident be directly responsible FOR someone retiring, and in their prime.  That is another thing entirely I would think.

Someone here mentioned James Brayshaw had changed his tune from the Thursday night to when he was on one of his other shows, no doubt he's received an update, but also would have read the room on the family take on things too.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Ouch!

[dice 569]

Why is Barrett on nickname terms with Maynard anyway?

[layzie 29,782]

17 minutes ago, napster said:

A load of BS about Maynard and his ‘footy act’. We see lots of footy acts, ie kicking the ball, marking, hand balling, etc. Most smothers we see involve players putting their own safety on the line and flying across the ball’s trajectory and risking the ball impacting them on the head, or being kicked by the kicker. When was the last time we saw a ‘footy act’ exactly like Maynard’s? If there has been, it would be one in a million of the 'footy acts' we see, but one with a terrible outcome. Not a footy act, a dog act.

Just like in driving. We see plenty of left turns, good uses of the indicators etc but if you drive recklessly in the wet and crash then it's your fault. 

Maynard drove like a lunatic and has stuffed up. 

[Macca 16,173]

3 minutes ago, dice said:

Why is Barrett on nickname terms with Maynard anyway?

 

The rules will not have to be rewritten at all, more so the rules need to be adhered to

When smothering (or even when fake-smothering with regards to Maynard's actions) it's incumbent on the player to avoid contact with the players head ... especially when the player is open and unprotected

And the player smothering can't at the same time be making a beeline missile-like at a players head

Barrett is clueless and part of the boys club narrative. And their ancient code

 

[layzie 29,782]

One of the most stupid nicknames ever. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

When it first happened, I thought it was clearly just an unlucky incident and Maynard will get off.

However, the more I have thought about it, if you take the attempted smother out he essentially ran past the ball and took Brayshaw out.

We often see people say “the player left the ground to bump”, well Maynard left the ground to smother and in the end chose to bump.

I’m skeptical he will get suspended but he should.

[kev martin 9,323]

Barrett "jumped to smother a kick, and that was his sole intent"

Add, knew a collision was going to happen, left his feet, braced and turned his shoulder into the head of a completely open opponent. 

Sole intent, no, went to hurt, yes.

I'll say it again, knew a collision would happen.

No duty of care taken.

Edited September 10, 2023 by kev martin