NON-MFC: Rd 14 2023

[binman 43,813]

25 minutes ago, xarronn said:

I probably should have made it clearer that I was responding to the issue of whether the ground and conditions they played under where necessarily an impediment to them winning premierships. 
The list can change, but the ground and conditions, not much.

I'm not saying the gabba is an impediment winning a flag.

In fact i  of itself, it's a huge advantage because of the unusual conditions weather wise mean the lions will always have a huge home ground advantage - as evidenced by their crazy good record there. 

That record almost guarantees at least finals every year. So that s a big leg up in terms of their chances of winning a flag.

I'm saying the current game plan and list the lions has developed, consciously or unconsciously, is driven by the conditions they play in.

It increases their chances of winning at the gabba.

But decreases their chances of winning everywhere else (except maybe on small grounds like taxpayer park and docklands).

They are way too slow. That lack of pace is not exposed on a slippery night at the gabba because the hames always devolve into lots of stoppages and contests. Lions main scoring source is from stoppages and clearnces. So their game is perfect for night games at the gabba. A good example is their win over the pies up there.

But footy now is about scorimg from turnovers and transition. And transition is quick, with wave running. And if turned over, requires pace of those same wave runners to get back in defence.

And away from the gabba the lions literraly can't keep up - on offence or defence.

Footy back when tbey won their 3 flags was all about the contest. Which suited the lions with their incredible, tough, strong, deep midfield. They haven't adapted since.

 

 

[DeeMee 877]

Really the thought of a pies Lions final at the Gabba is so juicy! Unfortunately very unlikely though.

[binman 43,813]

20 minutes ago, DeeMee said:

Really the thought of a pies Lions final at the Gabba is so juicy! Unfortunately very unlikely though.

Not that unlikely I don't reckon.

The pies could slip to 3rd or 4th. The lions could finish top or 2nd.

And even if the pies play week one at the g, a scenario could unfold like last year, where they have to play interstate.

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

For the life of me I cannot figure out how the Tigers go into tonight’s match as favourites.

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

The teams occupying 3-7 on the ladder are separated by only 4 points.

Hopefully we don't see a repeat of last year where we need to win a game to stay top 4.

A victory by the Tigers over the Saints tonight would give us a little break on the pack.

The loss to Freo may be one we rue.

[Redleg 41,467]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

The loss to Freo may be one we rue.

I am already ruing it and the Port one as well.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Redleg

[binman 43,813]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

For the life of me I cannot figure out how the Tigers go into tonight’s match as favourites.

It's a funny one isn't it.

I suspect there is some Intel about the place.

Maybe the saints are going super hard on the track atm?

[DubDee 26,123]

also strange that giants are short favs against Freo. 

Darcy is a massive out but Giants choose when they want to try. Freo should be too strong 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,249]

Tiggers and Giants winning would be a very satisfactory result.

[Demon17 5,203]

22 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Who do you have Port losing to?

They have Pies and Crows at home and funnily enough play Geelong again in a few weeks.

Fair question for sure.

I've got Port beating Bombers, suns, Blues, Pies, Giants, Dockers at Optus, Tiges.

Losing to Crows at AO, Cats at GMHBA,   9Possible on both counts  - Crows going well and cats hard to knock off at home by anyone.

Long shot I know, and have Dees not losing again, but here's hoping.  Our risk is Saints and marvel and next week at the Cattery.  Win next week and its a real chance.  % will possibly get us there.

I watched in person the dismantling of the Pies, so probably recency bias as Whately would say.

[DubDee 26,123]

Hogan is a big out for Giants. 

major connector with the fwd line and usually kicks 2-3

[BDA 22,891]

Fox just brough up Toby Bedford's stats for the year so far. Not shabby at all

Edited June 17, 2023 by BDA

[DubDee 26,123]

gets go Toby!!

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

Dogga finding lots of the pill early

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

gets go Toby!!

Would love him at the Dees.

Imagine a forward line of him, Fritta, Kozzie (if he plays as the crumbing small), JVR and Smith (on last weeks performance).

Talk about a mobile and constantly moving forward line.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

also strange that giants are short favs against Freo. 

Darcy is a massive out but Giants choose when they want to try. Freo should be too strong 

Home ground.

[Demonland 73,161]

Happy Bedford getting runs in the middle. 

[Demonland 73,161]

Dockers disposal is horrendous

[Demonland 73,161]

A 54 point win will see the Giants overtake the Dockers. 

[Demonland 73,161]

Thank you. I will take that 50.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

Ouch.

[Demonland 73,161]

Terrible 50 meter call but who cares. 

[Die Hard Demon 1,224]

No wonder we lost to freo.. they’re so good! 

[YearOfTheDees 3,266]

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

A 54 point win will see the Giants overtake the Dockers. 

Or if Essendon beat Freo next week while the Giants sit back and watch.

Do a bit of the work themselves and let the Druggie do the rest next week.

[DubDee 26,123]

umpiring is horrific. the bloke didn’t even get one call to move back. he was maybe a foot over? you can’t stop on a dime.