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On 7/4/2023 at 10:57 AM, DistrACTION Jackson said:

So if we look at the current ladder positions we have picks 8, 15, 26 & 33 as our top 4 picks.

Gold Coast currently have pick 7 and need points, points and more points.

Picks 15 & 26 are worth 1841 points and pick 7 is worth 1644.

Without a doubt we know this and it is highly likely we will have 2 top 10 picks in this draft, assuming Freo and GC both miss the 8.

So then the question is who would we likely take at picks 7 and 8.... which will be pushed out by the GC academy guys.

Think we will have to pay a lot more to get Suns top 10 pick. We won’t be the only ones chasing it. Pick 33 might be enough to get the above deal done and if the Suns end up with a higher draft pick then we may need to use future picks. 
We could also spilt picks with other clubs and increase our over points value before dealing with the Suns. 

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    1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

    Shouldn’t we be trading up for Jed Walker?

    He's tied to the Suns via their academy and they will match any bid for him. 

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    Looks like he's got a little bit to work on.

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    4 hours ago, Nascent said:

    He's tied to the Suns via their academy and they will match any bid for him. 

    Their list is going to be epic. No wonder Hardwick wants to coach them.

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    14 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    Their list is going to be epic. No wonder Hardwick wants to coach them.

    They have 3 academy players currently rated in the top 10 of this years draft by ESPN. It’s starting to be a very compromised draft. Four academy players( 3 suns and 1 swan), 2 farther/son currently rated in the top 20 and two highly rated boys from Tassie. 

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    4 minutes ago, Colm said:

    They have 3 academy players currently rated in the top 10 of this years draft by ESPN. It’s starting to be a very compromised draft. Four academy players( 3 suns and 1 swan), 2 farther/son currently rated in the top 20 and two highly rated boys from Tassie. 

    The fact it’s so compromised again means we’d be better off trading up to pick 1 for a bonafide star than getting in a few less than stellar talents IMO. 

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    5 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

    The fact it’s so compromised again means we’d be better off trading up to pick 1 for a bonafide star than getting in a few less than stellar talents IMO. 

    Maybe, probably depend what pick we get from Freo and how many bolters there are over the next few months. I thought Duursma was our man but the two games I’ve seen of him lately he hasn’t been amazing. But he could be gettable around Freo’s pick now. 
     

    On the other hand if you put Reid in along side Trac, Clarry and Viney it would be a sight to behold 

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    1 hour ago, Colm said:

    They have 3 academy players currently rated in the top 10 of this years draft by ESPN. It’s starting to be a very compromised draft. Four academy players( 3 suns and 1 swan), 2 farther/son currently rated in the top 20 and two highly rated boys from Tassie. 

    Plus a possible top 20 or close to for Mc Cabe (Hawks) and Croft (Bullies).

    Kynan Brown works hard and gets in the best players on a regular basis. Like most players coming through probably needs 2 or 3 of AFL pre seasons to build his game and body to cope with AFL.

    Positives for Kynan are he knows how to find the ball on a regular basis, works hard and is pretty 

    well fearless. So plenty to work with. He will be picked up late in the draft IMO.

     

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    With the 20% discount for Academy players the GC will save a heap on points required.

    For example if Walter is nominated at pick 2 that is worth 2527 points. GC match and pick him up for 2014 points.

    If Read (Jackson comparison) gets bid at say pick 5 1878 points. GC will match at 1502 points. 

    Say Rogers  (mid) gets a bid at pick 10  1395 points. GC matches at 1116 points. Savings = 279 ponts.

    TOTAL savings = 1168 points = circa pick 14.

    Not a bad deal to get 3 top 10 ranked picks plus a huge points savings on top. This will vary depending on where bids fall. If the GC make the finals they can only match 2 bids in round one.

    Certainly worth the Dees having a shot at the GC first round pick. They have already banked a few and will probably want a deal involving future swap (our future 1st for their future 2nd) plus our 2023 second rounder/s (ours and maybe Freos). Just a guess.

    Then we will package our picks in a bid to go higher at the pointy end.

    2024 sees CAP relief with Tommo, TMc and BB possibly all finishing up so we can bid for a free agent instead of having a first round pick. If we a deal this year with GC we may end up with their 2nd rounder next year along with ours.

     

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    1st qtr. Vic country v Allies.
    VC 

    Zane Duursma already impressed in first qtr.  Beautiful goal showed his class. 

    De Mattia good in close with contested footy. 
     

    Joel Freijah on the wing showing good skills and ball winning 

    Allies 

    Jake Rogers small but powerful onballer is impressive again 

    Ryley Sanders class and pace on show 

    Caiden Cleary very good onballer winning lots of the footy 

    Dees young academy (South Alice Springs) Orlando Turner is a forward pocket player and kicked a nice goal from 35 metres out albeit after a dubious free kick  

    Lots of Swans, Giants, Lions Ana Suns Academy youngsters in show 

    Harley Reid strangely again being played at full forward 

    Jed Walter always looks dangerous with height, strength and pace at full forward. Suns can get rid of Ben King and bring this kid in. 

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    2nd qtr 

    Allies 

    Ethan Reid ruck big strong and athletic (GC suns) 

    Coby Mckercher another Tassie mid good af the contest and smart ball user 

    VC 

    George Stevens mid utility solid strong can play fwd/mid/back 

    Darcy Wilson nice tackle and goal but relatively quiet 

    Will Dawson full back cutting off numerous attacks with intercept marks 

     

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    3rd quarter 

    VC 

    Harley Reid much better in midfield rotation (wasted up forward) burst of pace and intensity shows his top 3 ranking 

    Finn O’Sullivan mid/half fwd/half back  good skills, good aerial overhead and decision making 

    Archer Reid 203cm young tall forward/ruck - nice work rate and kicked a good snap goal 

    Kade De La Rue strong running mid sized half back and skills 

    Allies 

    Coby Mckercher again showed his class with two beautiful goals on the run including one on a difficult angle 

    Will Graham tall 190cm utility mid can play half back good skills and tackling 

    Connor O’Sullivan big tall defender, good mark and smart use 

    Caiden Cleary accumulator midfield type small in and under got the ball out to the runners 

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    4th 

    VC 

    Darcy Wilson kicked nice running goal to show pace and skills 

    Michael Rudd versatile utility/fwd, good mark, Ollie Henry type

    Allies

    Harvey Thomas left foot small defender quarterback type using skills 

    Orlando Turner kicked the match winner , quiet all day but has burst of pace and looks like he knows where the goals are. Probably rookie pick at best.  

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    The Allies will be the National Champions for the first time after beating Vic Country today.

    Vic Metro’s annihilation of WA won’t be enough to give them a chance of winning the competition even if they beat Vic Country in the final game next week.

    Tassie gun fires as the Wizard bags five in a half

    Melbourne father/son hopeful Kynan Brown did no harm to his draft prospects.

    “Melbourne father-son prospect Kynan Brown, the son of former Demon Nathan, was impressive with 26 disposals, six clearances and one goal in the midfield for Vic Metro.”

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    Cream rises to the top as Allies claim maiden title

    VIC COUNTRY 3.2.20 6.4.40 7.5.47 10.10 (70)

    
ALLIES     2.3.15 5.4.34 10.8.68 12.9 (81)

    GOALS:

    Vic Country: Z. Duursma 2, M. Rudd 2, D. Wilson 2, G. Stevens, S. Lalor, A. Read, F. O’Sullivan

    
Allies: J. Walter 2, P. Gothard 2, C. McKercher 2, O. Turner 2, J. Glanvill, J. Callinan, T. Gander, C. McCormack

    BEST:

    Vic Country: F. O’Sullivan, A. Hastie, A. Reid, W. Dawson, G. Stevens, D. Wilson

    
Allies: C. Cleary, C. McKercher, R. Sanders, E. Read, J. Rogers, C. O’Sullivan

    VICTORIA METRO 5.1.31 10.5.64 14.10.94 19.13 (127)

    WESTERN AUSTRALIA 1.3.9 2.5.17 5.6.36 6.10 (46)

    GOALS:

    Victoria Metro: N. Watson 5, L. Morris 4, N. Caddy 3, C. Harrop 2, K. Brown, T. Hotton, R. Weatherill, C. Windsor, H. Johnston

    Western Australia: K. Sanchez 3, K. Dehavilland, E. Logan, R. Torrent

    BEST:

    Victoria Metro: L. Morris, N. Watson, W. Brown, K. Brown, H. Johnston, C. Windsor

    
Western Australia: D. Curtin, K. Sanchez, C. Hall, K. Tholstrup, A. O’Driscoll, R. Torrent

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    Watched 3/4 of the Vic country, Allies game. Small sample size but I wouldn’t be giving 3 first round picks for Harley Reid. Played a forward for a bit but when he did go into the middle he didn’t look as good as 3 of the Allies mids in Cleary, Mckercher and Sanders. 
    Cleary is tied to the Swans and the other two are from Tassie but if McKercher is on the board at our first pick I’d be surprised if we didn’t grab him. 

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    I missed the first quarter yesterday and Duursma scored his two goals by the time I tunes in. I kept a good eye on him and wasn’t all that impressed. Doesn’t like to run when the other team has the ball. Noticed a few times the ball was turned over when he was close by and just gave up on it when he could have impacted the play. 
    I liked the game Darcy Wilson played. Covers the ground well. 

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    3 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

    espn power rankings - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/37956903/afl-draft-power-rankings-july-2023-jasper-chellappah-allies-dominate-top-20-jed-walter-closes-harley-reid

    so they have duursma

    Bizarre to compare Ryley Sanders (aka The Colonel) to Tim Taranto.  He’s nothing like Taranto.  Sanders is the closest type to Will Ashcroft.  He has pace. He has skill.  He runs and runs.  He is a smart user of the footy.  Actually after the weekends match, I’d now switch and choose him over Duursma if the pick was today and both were available.  Duursma is all class and more outside.  He was superb in the first quarter yesterday then went missing for the rest of the day. Sanders was strong equally inside and outside, with a full 4 quarter effort and kicked two impressive running goals. 

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    4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

    Who’s currently expected to go at pick 6? After academy bids etc are taken out.

    I believe 1 of Duursma, Caddy, Mckercher, Sanders or Curtin will be available at pick 6. So no doubt JT and the footy department are working through the possibilities 

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    2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    I believe 1 of Duursma, Caddy, Mckercher, Sanders or Curtin will be available at pick 6. So no doubt JT and the footy department are working through the possibilities 

    i reckon flagmantle are every chance of dropping down to 15th on the ladder, which would be pick 4

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