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NON-MFC: Rd 02 2023

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34 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I used to wonder why GWS was say not established / relocated to Canberra.  (which I still think would make sense to me).

The AFL ceded Canberra to rugby years ago, which was a massive strategic mistake and one they're not anxious to repeat. GWS and GC were/are a full frontal attack on RL in particular. The NRL has been infighting and not expanding ever since, until this year. This has bought the AFL years of penetration into youth markets.

37 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

But on the other hand if / when a team is established in Tasmania, this would be in conflict with strategy of ‘a game every week’!

Another rearguard action as it has finally sunk in to the brains at headquarters that Tassie grass roots footy is under threat and some shoring up is required otherwise there could be a counter assault from some other sport. In Aussie rules heartland. That does not happen. The AFL does that to other codes!

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    So those supposedly easy games we had coming up, WCE, Essendon, North, all of a sudden don’t look too easy at the moment. We have work to do. I hope the attitude changes from our playing group, from what was on display on Friday night. Otherwise, it could quickly turn ugly.

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    7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    pretty simple. it’s deliberately playing to lose. or coaching making moves to throw the game. 

    trading out senior guys for draft picks is not tanking. or do you think it is?

    That’s the way I see it too. The older guys Hawthorn traded out weren’t going to take them anywhere and I doubt would have changed their W/L outcome in 2023.  So why not trade them while they have value?  I don’t know their list well enough to know if they’ve kept enough experienced players to drive standards but I really don’t think they had any choice. I’d think Hawthorne is preparing better for a successful future than WCE,  whose list profile is horrible for a team with no hope of short term success. 

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    19 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    it is easy. you don’t need to educate players to lose or change players into weird positions 

    trade out good senior players and teach the kids to win. not tanking. i wish we did it the right way but we move on 

    You can’t teach the kids without Experienced Leadership 

    Hawthorn sold all of that. They have no intention of winning. Planning Failure is Tanking 

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    I thought GWS were too good for bottom 4 but a few injuries and they could be well headed there. 

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    26 minutes ago, DubDee said:

     

    trading out senior guys for draft picks is not tanking. or do you think it is?

    It most certainly is. They are throwing kids to the slaughter and hoping a few survive 

    As far as i am concerned it is way worse than what the MFC did. Our list was just bad

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    9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    What’s happened to Toby Green? Shadow of his former self. 

    They made him captain

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    37 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    I really have to repeat my earlier question but pose it to GWS. Why are we sticking with this experiment? 

    The AFL are making a lot more money with GW$ and GC in the comp, regardless of onfield results

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    45 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    pretty simple. it’s deliberately playing to lose. or coaching making moves to throw the game. 

    trading out senior guys for draft picks is not tanking. or do you think it is?

    Of course it is. Otherwise tanking doesn’t exist. Players want to win. Coaches putting players in different roles is the benign tactic of tanking.

    No one deliberately plays to lose,m; losses are manufactured through savage list management, ‘injuries’, and playing kids ahead of their time.

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    1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

    looking like we'll hold our spot in the 8

    genius

    ye of little faith

    thank you jayden

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    45 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

    That’s the way I see it too. The older guys Hawthorn traded out weren’t going to take them anywhere and I doubt would have changed their W/L outcome in 2023.  So why not trade them while they have value?  I don’t know their list well enough to know if they’ve kept enough experienced players to drive standards but I really don’t think they had any choice. I’d think Hawthorne is preparing better for a successful future than WCE,  whose list profile is horrible for a team with no hope of short term success. 

    They had a choice. Keep Mitchell, Gunston, Shiel, and O’Meara instead of ND48, ND41, ND53, Stephens, Meek, and ND29 (est) and be more competitive and win games and keep what was left of the culture they banged on about.

    What kind of a return is that? How much does the soul of your club mean in draft picks? 3 first rounders?

    They did all that to take to the [censored] of their list and to collapse and get ND1 which apparently is a Dusty type gun.

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    3 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

    So those supposedly easy games we had coming up, WCE, Essendon, North, all of a sudden don’t look too easy at the moment. We have work to do. I hope the attitude changes from our playing group, from what was on display on Friday night. Otherwise, it could quickly turn ugly.

    I hope the not so taxing first round win did not get into the players heads. There are a lot of hungry sides yearning for success. We didn’t look like of one of them in Brisbane. 

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    3 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    They had a choice. Keep Mitchell, Gunston, Shiel, and O’Meara instead of ND48, ND41, ND53, Stephens, Meek, and ND29 (est) and be more competitive and win games and keep what was left of the culture they banged on about.

    What kind of a return is that? How much does the soul of your club mean in draft picks? 3 first rounders?

    They did all that to take to the [censored] of their list and to collapse and get ND1 which apparently is a Dusty type gun.

    I’d never heard of Harley Reid before an AFL.com presenter (and Hawk fan) talked of “tanking for Harley” during a debate about the club’s direction of travel over your summer. Sarah Olle, I think. 

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    44 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    48 weeks consecutive in the Top 8 saved

    How long were we in the top four for the last two seasons? In 2021 it was for the whole season. Not sure about last season but we could have been in the four for all if not most of it.

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