On 08/02/2023 at 06:59, adonski said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/08/king-labels-untried-demon-a-walk-up-starter-as-grundy-still-finding-feet-at/

 

Now more convinced than ever if T Mc and BBB are fit we won't see JVR in round 1

I've watched a lot of the training at Gosch's and really thought today wasn't as physical as many of the earlier sessions.  But it seems others disagree and I'm happy to get a different view.  But to those who have posted it was physical how do you rate it with previous sessions?

 

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:16, Slartibartfast said:

I've watched a lot of the training at Gosch's and really thought today wasn't as physical as many of the earlier sessions.  But it seems others disagree and I'm happy to get a different view.  But to those who have posted it was physical how do you rate it with previous sessions?

I've been to 3 sessions this preseason and I think they've all been very physical. Today was indeed very physical. This year is definitely more physical than previous seasons.

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:16, Slartibartfast said:

I've watched a lot of the training at Gosch's and really thought today wasn't as physical as many of the earlier sessions.  But it seems others disagree and I'm happy to get a different view.  But to those who have posted it was physical how do you rate it with previous sessions?

Less than previous. Less numbers had it more open. I have no qualms with the intensity and physicality in periods, I have an issue when it’s bought about by sloppy skills and lazy off ball running 

Watching vision on 9 news of Petracca, it would appear that the knock was to the knee and being downplayed by many trackwatchers here. It looked like the knee he has had issues with in the past. Brayshaw also having his elbow checked out. Same elbow he wore a guard on for a period 

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:16, Slartibartfast said:

 But to those who have posted it was physical how do you rate it with previous sessions?

I thought the handball games showed the intent. Tackles were made and players were expected to break it, fend off, or get a handball out. Many players were completely wrapped up, and some tacklers made repeated efforts. They were very willing and I have not seen them engage so full on. 

In the sims, it was getting close to full match hits (85%). They were being encouraged to run hard, create turnovers and make it difficult for each other.

  On 08/02/2023 at 01:22, Slartibartfast said:

Just back from training and having read the posts by others there isn't a lot to add.

I've not noticed Jefferson much to date but he was very good today.  He marks the ball at his highest point timing his jump really well.  He was a lot more involved in the match sims and disposed of it well.  It's the first time I've really thought he's shown something in the match sims but I think he'll be good.  Schache was disappointing for mine today.  I noticed a few skill errors under little pressure and he just seemed a bit off.  For mine he's well behind BBB, TMac and JVR.  Deakyn Smith didn't do much but he's only just got back into the match sims and like most of the younger players he just wasn't involved.

When you report on training sessions it almost goes without saying that blokes like Clarrie, Gus, Trac and the other mature players do well.  So I tend to concentrate on the younger players or those who I think might push for selection.  The two standouts for me today were Kade Chandler and JJ.  Kade was so clean with the ball, I didn't see him fumble once and his disposal by hand or foot was pretty good although like everyone he missed the odd target.  JJ was in everything and got leather poisoning.  I think I'm like many who really like him but struggle to see exactly where he fits in but on his performance to date during PS he is best 22 and my observation is his best position is midfield.  He's clean with the ball, he's brave, he gets it and he makes good quick decisions by hand.  I just wonder if we should start to spread the load on Viney, Clarrie and Trac and start to give kids like JJ and Tommy S a bit more prime time mid roles.  It would give the top boys a bit of a cop out and it would make the opposition concentrate on more than the big three.

Others to impress today were Bowser who I thought was very good, Riv who looks in good form, JVR who continued his good form and for a bit of a smokie, JFW who I reckon is well ahead of where they thought he would be.  He's nowhere near senior level but for a young kid who hasn't played any real footy he shows quite a bit, and encouragingly plenty when the ball hits the ground.

My boy Olie Sestan did some nice things too but his fitness needs some real development.  And for Dazzle, Joel Smith started to do more than just running the boundary with some gentle agility work.

The match sims today weren't a fierce as some others I've seen and it was more ball movement today.  Players were not finishing forward plays with shots for goal and the tackling wasn't as intense.

It was a solid session going for well over 2 hours.  

JOEBOY'S TRAINING REPORT

KEV MARTIN'S TRAINING REPORT

Full marks for this post...for saying that Jefferson marks the ball at HIS highest point.

Drives me mad when the bozos say that player X Marks the ball at ITS highest point which implies some otherworldly space jam giant grabbing the ball at the top of it's arc 

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:16, Slartibartfast said:

I've watched a lot of the training at Gosch's and really thought today wasn't as physical as many of the earlier sessions.  But it seems others disagree and I'm happy to get a different view.  But to those who have posted it was physical how do you rate it with previous sessions?

Thought there were some absolutely huge knocks and smashes in todays session. Did you miss those collisions ? 😂

  On 08/02/2023 at 08:15, 12345_54321 said:

Thought there were some absolutely huge knocks and smashes in todays session. Did you miss those collisions ? 😂

I agree I thought the tackling at times was fierce particularly in the keepings off drills. I don't think of Bayley Fritsch as a tackling machine but he laid a couple of really hard tackles today.

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:58, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Watching vision on 9 news of Petracca, it would appear that the knock was to the knee and being downplayed by many trackwatchers here. It looked like the knee he has had issues with in the past. Brayshaw also having his elbow checked out. Same elbow he wore a guard on for a period 

I was standing on the sidelines where Trac ran off and he was [censored]. He said “I just want to be able to train properly” in a angry way. Definitely more to it I feel 

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:49, DeeSpencer said:

Less than previous. Less numbers had it more open. I have no qualms with the intensity and physicality in periods, I have an issue when it’s bought about by sloppy skills and lazy off ball running 

Going by some of your reports it's not worth turning up this year to watch it's all over.......

  On 08/02/2023 at 08:41, Demongirl35 said:

I was standing on the sidelines where Trac ran off and he was [censored]. He said “I just want to be able to train properly” in an angry way. Definitely more to it I feel 

He didn’t appear to be hampered in any way during training. He was very angry when he came off and I thought it was because it appeared that he copped a cheap shot in the guts as well as a knock. I’m pretty sure he was talking on the boundary line with Selwyn Griffiths who didn’t seem too concerned about any ailments that might sideline Trac. 

  On 08/02/2023 at 03:53, Vipercrunch said:

The next few months are going to be tough if you get upset by that.

I'm trying to prepare myself but I will not take it well if he leaves

  On 08/02/2023 at 08:07, fr_ap said:

Full marks for this post...for saying that Jefferson marks the ball at HIS highest point.

Drives me mad when the bozos say that player X Marks the ball at ITS highest point which implies some otherworldly space jam giant grabbing the ball at the top of it's arc 

Maybe they are referring to the ball's (its) highest point of intersection with the outreached arms of the player? Either way, its splitting hairs

  On 08/02/2023 at 07:12, DeeSpencer said:

Now more convinced than ever if T Mc and BBB are fit we won't see JVR in round 1

He could be a reseve

 

  On 08/02/2023 at 08:07, fr_ap said:

Full marks for this post...for saying that Jefferson marks the ball at HIS highest point.

Drives me mad when the bozos say that player X Marks the ball at ITS highest point which implies some otherworldly space jam giant grabbing the ball at the top of it's arc 

Yep, I thought the exact same thing as I read it. Drives me crazy too

A question for all our track watchers out there; is Brayshaw training with as a midfielder or defender?

Was Melksham and Howes full training in the match sims?

  On 08/02/2023 at 21:23, dazzledavey36 said:

Was Melksham and Howes full training in the match sims?

Melky was still on a running type rehab program. 

Howes was in with the main group. He was mainly on the wing in the sims. I thought he struggled to have involvement. 

  On 08/02/2023 at 09:15, Demonland said:

He didn’t appear to be hampered in any way during training. He was very angry when he came off and I thought it was because it appeared that he copped a cheap shot in the guts as well as a knock. I’m pretty sure he was talking on the boundary line with Selwyn Griffiths who didn’t seem too concerned about any ailments that might sideline Trac. 

The way he acted when he came off seems to me that he does feel like while training and it’s annoying him. Hopefully doesn’t get any worse during the season 

  On 08/02/2023 at 21:23, dazzledavey36 said:

Was Melksham and Howes full training in the match sims?

No. Melksham and Howes, like a few others in the rehab group (BBB, AMW, Adams & later Hibberd), did not participate in any contact drills. They did participate in some of the non-contact or goal kicking drills or were in a separate non-contact version like with the keepings off drill.

When they weren't participating in drills there were receiving 1 on 1 instruction with strength or cardio work from the trainers.

Salem was the only exception for obvious reasons and even he was walking laps at the beginning of the session.

  On 08/02/2023 at 22:36, kev martin said:

Melky was still on a running type rehab program. 

Howes was in with the main group. He was mainly on the wing in the sims. I thought he struggled to have involvement. 

In the later SIMs Howes was in the gym with Woey, Lever, Melksham and Viney.

  On 08/02/2023 at 21:09, Vineytime said:

A question for all our track watchers out there; is Brayshaw training with as a midfielder or defender?

Looks more Halfback to me drifting into the middle of the ground.

  On 08/02/2023 at 22:49, Demonland said:

In the later SIMs Howes was in the gym with Woey, Lever, Melksham and Viney.

That explains why I didn't notice him later on, thanks for that.