9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Weren’t the AFL going to use the Australian Human Rights Commission to conduct the investigation? 

Before or after it came out in the media? Even if it was before, likely an optics plan B.

ET do you honestly believe the AFL wouldn't want to desperately see this go away? Gil will be totally cacking his dacks now this has gone public and it looks likely to be taken out of his hands

Not saying its right or wrong, but the wheels of investigation and action move faster when accusations are made public

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

Agree. 

At the end of the day, if there was nothing to the story it would all disappear and Clarkson/Fagan/Burt/HFC would have nothing to worry about. Their combined reactions and wording suggest otherwise, in my opinion

The time period for complaining about limited right of reply or how Jackson approached them is over now and I don't expect to hear about it again. The fact is that the story is out now and needs to be dealt with, any talk in media questioning the journalistic process is irrelavant and deflecting from the real issue at hand. 

16 hours ago, chookrat said:

if I am to be fully honest I am disappointed with you Demonlander's for not getting stuck into me properly for having a poorly formed opinion on something I clearly didn't do the requisite ground work.

I was worried I'd been too abrupt with you mate, now I know I could've gone harder 😆

 

No brainer really and the AFL will hate it. 

I think the AFL showed us what they thought of external tribunals in the Essendon cover up/ saga.

The terms of reference for any inquiry would be a nightmare to agree. I suspect they will be preliminary at best in the sense that they "will look into it" to see what aspects require deeper scrutiny and specific answers.

In other words it wont be was there conduct unbecoming but more like was there actions that might in the absence of further evidence reasonably be considered unbecoming.

Add to that the usual tendency for mediation and we might end up with apologies, volountary submission to cultural awareness training and perhaps the funding of an appropriate support group.

And are there 3/4 groups of complainants or over 15.

Not impossible to deal with it before Christmas as Kennet has suggested but probably unlikely

PS On a separate but related note there are now murmurings about the appropriateness of removing indigenous boys from their homes and relocating them to upmarket private boarding schools on football scholarships.

"The patterns of alleged behaviour at Hawthorn are also at play when well-meaning whitefellas take it upon themselves to “rescue” a First Nations kid by opening the doors to some of Australia’s most elite schools and colleges.

Done right, a boarding school education can be empowering and life-changing, in the best ways, for First Nations students. Done wrong, it can wreak untold harm.

Many of the young people and parents with whom I worked describe how they experienced or witnessed abuses of power during their time at boarding school. Whether generated by malice or the best of intent, the consequences for the young person were equally damaging."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/boarding-school-coercion-mirrors-hawthorn-racism-allegations-20220929-p5blxu.html

Edited October 4, 20223 yr by Diamond_Jim

 

14 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

"Arbitrate" is a dirty word.  WTF happened.  And significant penalties to show that we are agin it.

I'd be surprised if he returned while this is happening. 

Still no AFL panel!

I suspect no one wants the job. This is a classic no win scenario, who the hell would want the job?  

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Still no AFL panel!

I suspect no one wants the job. This is a classic no win scenario, who the hell would want the job?  

Not with AFL rules 

An All Lawyer panel

why does this not surprise me

26 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

An All Lawyer panel

why does this not surprise me

As it should be

At least they got something right 

 

an all lawyer panel means this could go on for another 2 years.....lol

Interesting there is no mention that the proposed TofR have been supplied to Andrew Newbold's legal rep...

Equally interesting is that the panel will be 'assisted by' the Gordon Legal law firm.  They do so much work for the AFL they could be considered an extension of AFL Legal so is it truly an independent process....

 

 

7 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

an all lawyer panel means this could go on for another 2 years.....lol

Not only that dc, it will cost the AFL a [censored] load of cash!

Get ready for  a jump in the price of a Footy Record and pies etc for the 2023 season !!!!!!!

3 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Not only that dc, it will cost the AFL a [censored] load of cash!

Get ready for  a jump in the price of a Footy Record and pies etc for the 2023 season !!!!!!!

uncle, the afl probably have shares in a law firm as a means of hedging their exposure

and i stopped buying a record long time ago and now bring my own hip flask and diy cheese platter

7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Not only that dc, it will cost the AFL a [censored] load of cash!

Get ready for  a jump in the price of a Footy Record and pies etc for the 2023 season !!!!!!!

Make Hawthorn pay for it!!!

They have all that lovely poker machine money just rolling in the door...

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

uncle, the afl probably have shares in a law firm as a means of hedging their exposure

and i stopped buying a record long time ago and now bring my own hip flask and diy cheese platter

Don't be smug dc, the AFL will find a way to tax your gorgonzola.

20 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Don't be smug dc, the AFL will find a way to tax your gorgonzola.

that's ok i can ditch the gorgo, as long as they don't tax my pecorino romano

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

that's ok i can ditch the gorgo, as long as they don't tax my pecorino romano

Beware dc, nothing is sacrosanct these days!

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

that's ok i can ditch the gorgo, as long as they don't tax my pecorino romano

I'm impressed someone on DL knows what that is!

Edited October 5, 20223 yr by Lucifers Hero

Just now, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm impressed someone knows what that is!

*googles pecorino romano*

Same here Luci!!!

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm impressed someone on DL knows what that is!

I use a parmesan/pecorino blend on The Manor's signature spag bol !