3 hours ago, A F said:

We did it literally a year ago. Why not next year?

I didn't say it would be easy, I said if we fix some simple things we'll be up for it big time.

I'd love to have a draw like Geelong's 2022. What a dream draw for a 2021 preliminary finalist.

Fixture and list health had a lot to do with their build up. If the powers that be were to acknowledge this then, you can at least do something to make the draw fairer.

Our game plan is somewhat outdated. You may find it laughable but we cannot go into 2023 and expect a different result. It may not be A major overhaul but we definitely need to work on more direct method. I can’t work out the f50 lack of pressure though. Some say effort but I think it’s the way we deliver i50 and how the opposition rebound in numbers and get through our zone. 

 

22 minutes ago, rpfc said:

That’s not going to be much. 

 

 

 

Stengle            53 goals   (25 games)

Neal-Bullen        9 goals  (23 games)

1 minute ago, Abyssal said:

Stengle            53 goals   (25 games)

Neal-Bullen        9 goals  (23 games)

He stealing goals off Kozzie and Fritsch. He is a role player and would have suffered the same fate knowing how we delivered the ball into the pocket. To think that our fortunes would have been changed by a couple of forward pockets is folly.

14 minutes ago, rpfc said:

He stealing goals off Kozzie and Fritsch. He is a role player and would have suffered the same fate knowing how we delivered the ball into the pocket. To think that our fortunes would have been changed by a couple of forward pockets is folly.

Well a forward pocket kicking 14 points against the Lions, puts us into the PF for starters.

7 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Stengle            53 goals   (25 games)

Neal-Bullen        9 goals  (23 games)

Stengle  - 53 (25)
Pickett - 41 (23)

Close - 26 (25)
Spargo - 10 (24)

Miers - 13 (22)
ANB - 9 (23)

Rohan - 14 (12)
Fritsch - 55 (24)

ANB and Spargo both have work to do, that's for sure, but they are also pretty pure half forwards given how often we use Fritsch as both a marking target but also the out the back player and a crumber.

If ANB kicked 17 goals 9 rather than 9 goals 17 then his goal total would actually be fine. 

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Stengle  - 53 (25)
Pickett - 41 (23)

Close - 26 (25)
Spargo - 10 (24)

Miers - 13 (22)
ANB - 9 (23)

Rohan - 14 (12)
Fritsch - 55 (24)

ANB and Spargo both have work to do, that's for sure, but they are also pretty pure half forwards given how often we use Fritsch as both a marking target but also the out the back player and a crumber.

If ANB kicked 17 goals 9 rather than 9 goals 17 then his goal total would actually be fine. 

Very convenient for you to match Fritsch against Rohan instead of CAMERON.

Last year we looked really fit and were playing out games full of running.  The phrase often used - 'Running on top of the ground'

Eapecially in the last 2 games of our year (PF & GF)

That was Geelong this year.  Today (collectively) they were a metre in front of the Swans all day.  And then they outran them constantly

Us this year?  We looked tired and listless before and after the North game.  Full of running we could have beaten North by 20+ goals in that game.  We had 74 inside 50 entries that day but couldn't finish.  We had the skill & ability but not the legs

No legs means 2nd & 3rd efforts dissipate, running hard to position disappears, all over the ground pressure is at a minimum, tackling intent and sticking tackles subsides etc etc

So against the best teams, the game plan gets broken down

The reasoning (why's & wherefore's) for that has been much debated here however, what our eyes told us is that we often looked and played as if tired (especially in the last quarters of many of the games) Even in the 10 game winning streak in the first half of the season

So get the freshness back in the legs and we'll challenge again.  We've got loads of talent (which we'll add to) but talent alone isn't enough (as we found out)

You've got to have the legs

Edited September 24, 20222 yr by Macca

3 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Very convenient for you to match Fritsch against Rohan instead of CAMERON.

It's 3rd tall v 3rd tall, we did (at least in 2021) have 2 key forwards to match against Hawkins and Cameron. A reason for a drop off from our smalls in the drop off from the talls.

But I'm happy to exclude Frtisch from the conversation, either way, it's not like the Cats have 3 elite goal kicking smalls. 

Much fairer to match ANB up against guys like Close and Miers who do a heap of up the ground running than it is for Stengle who spends a lot of the game camping at the forwards feet.

26 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Stengle            53 goals   (25 games)

Neal-Bullen        9 goals  (23 games)

Careful!! No one can replicate what ANB brings I've heard! His transcendent running patterns and grass minding is too big an asset 

14 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Stengle  - 53 (25)
Pickett - 41 (23)

Close - 26 (25)
Spargo - 10 (24)

Miers - 13 (22)
ANB - 9 (23)

Rohan - 14 (12)
Fritsch - 55 (24)

ANB and Spargo both have work to do, that's for sure, but they are also pretty pure half forwards given how often we use Fritsch as both a marking target but also the out the back player and a crumber.

If ANB kicked 17 goals 9 rather than 9 goals 17 then his goal total would actually be fine. 

Could we also match BBB with either Hawkins or Cameron. How does that compare?

5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Stengle  - 53 (25)
Pickett - 41 (23)

Close - 26 (25)
Spargo - 10 (24)

Miers - 13 (22)
ANB - 9 (23)

Rohan - 14 (12)
Fritsch - 55 (24)

ANB and Spargo both have work to do, that's for sure, but they are also pretty pure half forwards given how often we use Fritsch as both a marking target but also the out the back player and a crumber.

If ANB kicked 17 goals 9 rather than 9 goals 17 then his goal total would actually be fine. 

Agree Fritsch and Kozzzy were excellent

Agree ANB and Spargo simply underperformed

but also our key forward deficiency means in 2023 we need TMCD/JVR/BBB to also produce

Hawkins 67 v  … 

Cameron 65  v …

 

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

Careful!! No one can replicate what ANB brings I've heard! His transcendent running patterns and grass minding is too big an asset 

In Finance it’s known as Ponzi scheme.

38 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

In Finance it’s known as Ponzi scheme.

Or a Harry Lime scheme in post war Vienna!

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Or a Harry Lime scheme in post war Vienna!

Nice spot, well done, not many would know of Harry these days.
Are you a connoisseur of said movie ?

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Stengle  - 53 (25)
Pickett - 41 (23)

Close - 26 (25)
Spargo - 10 (24)

Miers - 13 (22)
ANB - 9 (23)

Rohan - 14 (12)
Fritsch - 55 (24)

ANB and Spargo both have work to do, that's for sure, but they are also pretty pure half forwards given how often we use Fritsch as both a marking target but also the out the back player and a crumber.

If ANB kicked 17 goals 9 rather than 9 goals 17 then his goal total would actually be fine. 

Anb and Spargo have work to do........

Ya dont say.... if either are part of our best 22 then we wont get anywhere near it!!

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

It's 3rd tall v 3rd tall, we did (at least in 2021) have 2 key forwards to match against Hawkins and Cameron. A reason for a drop off from our smalls in the drop off from the talls.

But I'm happy to exclude Frtisch from the conversation, either way, it's not like the Cats have 3 elite goal kicking smalls. 

Much fairer to match ANB up against guys like Close and Miers who do a heap of up the ground running than it is for Stengle who spends a lot of the game camping at the forwards feet.

Fair enough,  it’s just I can’t cop ANB.

 

2 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Fair enough,  it’s just I can’t cop ANB.

 

Yeah well at least he is serviceable ! On the other hand......

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Anb and Spargo have work to do........

Ya dont say.... if either are part of our best 22 then we wont get anywhere near it!!

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Yeah but History.... is JUST THAT!

17 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Nice spot, well done, not many would know of Harry these days.
Are you a connoisseur of said movie ?

Oh yeah, great film.  Top 10 all time

For some add-ons ... google 'Harry Lime audio plays'

Orson Welles starred in about 70 half hour audio plays based on his Harry Lime character ... available at archive.org

They're all very good

Anyway, back to Grundy ...

Could it be that the end of Max (as Max the main man) is not that far off?  And we need a ready made replacement sooner rather than later?

He's taken a lot of punishment in the last 5 years and is a bit banged up right now.  So no time for another understudy

The time is now

Edited September 24, 20222 yr by Macca

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah but History.... is JUST THAT!

It's proof you're wrong.

2 hours ago, CYB said:

Fixture and list health had a lot to do with their build up. If the powers that be were to acknowledge this then, you can at least do something to make the draw fairer.

Our game plan is somewhat outdated. You may find it laughable but we cannot go into 2023 and expect a different result. It may not be A major overhaul but we definitely need to work on more direct method. I can’t work out the f50 lack of pressure though. Some say effort but I think it’s the way we deliver i50 and how the opposition rebound in numbers and get through our zone. 

 

We're more direct when we're turning the ball over closer to goal, which is directly related to pressure from half forwards and mids. This is what so many don't seem to understand.

Route 1 is not long and slow to the pockets. Route 1 is turn the ball over close enough to goal that we get an easy shot on goal.

And I haven't said we don't need to tweak the system. I'm saying its outdatedness is overstated and pretty much just wrong, unless you failed to comprehend what Geelong did today.

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

Oh yeah, great film.  Top 10 all time

For some add-ons ... google 'Harry Lime audio plays'

Orson Welles starred in about 70 half hour audio plays based on his Harry Lime character ... available at archive.org

They're all very good

Anyway, back to Grundy ...

Could it be that the end of Max (as Max the main man) is not that far off?  And we need a ready made replacement sooner rather than later?

He's taken a lot of punishment in the last 5 years and is a bit banged up right now.  So no time for another understudy

The time is now

Thanks for the info, I’ll check it out. I’ve been watching Orson interviews on YT in the last few days.

TTM, my No.1, IMO it has 3 of the All time best scenes in film history, Harry coming out if the shadows is One of them, the final scene and the ferris wheel  the others.

re. Grundy, at first I was horrified but have come around to now think it’s the right move. Agree that we may have seen the best of Max and perhaps even the end may be sooner than anybody thinks, lets hope not.

The concept of (a fit) Gawn/Grundy may even prove to be a master stroke particularly if used in tandem with Max rucking in the defensive half ( kick behind the ball ) where he has played some of his best footy (imo) and Grundy taking the centre square and a more traditional ruckman role. At the very least, it’s a major point of difference to all of our opposition.

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

It's proof you're wrong.

2022 would suggest he is not entirely wrong

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well a forward pocket kicking 14 points against the Lions, puts us into the PF for starters.

You know it doesn’t work like that. But if people want to waste their summers thinking we were ‘only a forward pocket away’ go for it.