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Injury frustration

Webber
in Melbourne Demons

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54 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

If the AFL are going to take a fortune from gambling agencies they should be obliged to enforce transparency of clubs reporting on injuries.

 

How are those two things anyway related?

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    11 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

    How are those two things anyway related?

    Really? Do you not understand how gambling works? 

    Ultimately, Betting Agencies are a stakeholder of the AFL. AFL clubs should be transparent with information that is critical to the nature of their stakeholders business.

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    27 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

    How are those two things anyway related?

    If I want to bet on a player winning on the rising star or Brownlow the information is very important.

    If I want to bet on Melbourne to win the minor premiers and they aren't transparent with an injury to Oliver it effects the fairness.

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    6 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

    If I want to bet on a player winning on the rising star or Brownlow the information is very important.

    If I want to bet on Melbourne to win the minor premiers and they aren't transparent with an injury to Oliver it effects the fairness.

    Ah yeah fair shout. I'm not a huge gambler

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    So l think most understand the injury ranges aren't perfect but we keep an eye on how often we miss the mark. If it happens relatively frequently we get annoyed. 

    Personally, l get more annoyed when the number of weeks is designed to keep supporter hopes up and will never be met or we have set back and we aren't informed.

    This used to happen alot under Misson (in action) but less so now

     

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    On 4/1/2022 at 10:51 AM, binman said:

    That's all well and good Webber, and you have high level expertise in this area.

    But my gut tells me you are wrong and i will not be changing my opinion we are treated poorly as fans in terms of information about injuries. 

    Jokes.

    Thanks for the very thoughtful post on the topic. It has certainly shifted my thinking. 

    I think for me it comes down to the management of fan's expectations - well mine i guess, seeing the majority seem to be of the quite reasonable view that the club are not obliged to share specifics about players injuries or timelines. 

    Personally, i'm not hugely interested in the specifics of the injury  - I'm interested in the potential time out.

    I hear what you are saying about the impossibility of being accurate about that, but i think the 4-6 week standard reporting is unhelpful becuase it is narrow range that implies some sort of certainty where as you say it does not exist.

    And can feed into a sense of the club being disingenuous with information when the timeframe is not met or simply always stands as 4-6 (as is pretty much the case for Petty). 

    This potentially ends up eroding confidence in the club's messaging to fans and even the club's medical team - at least for some people. 

    I reckon the model like the one used by the tigers noted by whatwhat above would work well (at least for me), ie not listing weeks, but rather four types of timing listed:

    • short term
    • medium term
    • long term
    • indeterminate

    Whilst I enjoy your podcast comments enormously…think you’re off kilter here. I don’t see any benefit to the club to play “ducks and drakes” with injury info. Injury recovery is an impossible science & if we were sitting down the bottom of the ladder & desperate for players to return I would understand your frustration but we are winning & I would rather those injured players come back rehabbed as best they can than bringing them back when not ready. (See Trent Mackenzie PA & Nick Haynes Giants) 

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    8 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

    If I want to bet on a player winning on the rising star or Brownlow the information is very important.

    If I want to bet on Melbourne to win the minor premiers and they aren't transparent with an injury to Oliver it effects the fairness.

    FMD, is this what we've become?

    Not a dig at you at all W45, but honestly, what a tangled web we've woven

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    10 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

    If the AFL are going to take a fortune from gambling agencies they should be obliged to enforce transparency of clubs reporting on injuries.

     

    They’ll never make it enforceable because the bookies get more knowledge than the punters. And if you’re a punter, deal with it 

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    I like the short, medium, long,

    If we are to get reporting it should be on the training players are doing.

    - Full training
    - modified full training
    - rehab
    - off legs

    if you get that info you can generally gather when a player will return. 

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    14 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    I like the short, medium, long,

    If we are to get reporting it should be on the training players are doing.

    - Full training
    - modified full training
    - rehab
    - off legs

    if you get that info you can generally gather when a player will return. 

    That combination of information would be perfect.. 

    No detail required about the specifics of an injury or progress of rehab. 

    But enough info to make your own assessment of time out and progrss.

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    12 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

    My gouts been really acting up again.

    Mine too, must be the weather.  Or the 3-0 celebratory beers and wines!!

    Hope it gives me heck most of the season 😁

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    23 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

    They’ll never make it enforceable because the bookies get more knowledge than the punters. And if you’re a punter, deal with it 

    It's an ethical thing and everybody should be entitled to the same information. Its the bookies job to use the information better.

    I very rarely bet on footy but I had a fair whack on Oliver to get most Brownlow votes for Melbourne in his 2nd season at 150-1 and bookie banned me. 

     

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    On 4/2/2022 at 11:52 AM, Wrecker46 said:

    If I want to bet on a player winning on the rising star or Brownlow the information is very important.

    If I want to bet on Melbourne to win the minor premiers and they aren't transparent with an injury to Oliver it effects the fairness.

    Everybody betting has the same information. In addition, there are many more unknowns than a player's specific injury that may affect a betting outcome. These include weather conditions, other teams' injuries, whether the player has a happy and stable private life, coaches' instructions on gameday and so much more.

     

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