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COVID Disruptions 2022

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1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Contact tracing is no longer a thing. The purpose of QR codes is to ensure that only double-vaxxed people are entering establishments the access to which requires double-vax. 
For example, unvaccinated people are allowed to enter supermarkets, therefore QR scanning is not compulsory. 

i must be missing something. how does using a qr code ensure someone is double (or triple) vaxxed?

only sighting the vax certificate can give that assurance

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    23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    i must be missing something. how does using a qr code ensure someone is double (or triple) vaxxed?

    only sighting the vax certificate can give that assurance

    It doesn’t ensure someone who’s entering the premises is vaxxed.
    But since it registers one’s vax status it will indicate if an unvaccinated person enters. In this case it’s then known if and where the unvaccinated have been. Upon scanning the QR of a particular establishment, your digital certificate is married up with the unique code of that establishment. 
    I’m guessing the staff originally employed to perform contact tracing are now ‘cross-referencing’ this info. 

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    Reworded some of the above in an attempt to make it understandable. Methinks I’ve failed in the endeavour.

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    2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

    It doesn’t ensure someone who’s entering the premises is vaxxed.
    But since it registers one’s vax status it will indicate if an unvaccinated person enters. In this case it’s then known if and where the unvaccinated have been. Your digital certificate is married up with the QR code of a particular establishment.
    I’m guessing the staff originally employed to perform contact tracing are now ‘cross-referencing’ this info. 

    are you saying that when i scan a qr code the details of my vaccination digital certificate (if on my phone) are forwarded to the web site determined by the qr code?

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    1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

    are you saying that when i scan a qr code the details of my vaccination digital certificate (if on my phone) are forwarded to the web site determined by the qr code?

    That’s how I heard our health minister (Foley) explain the whys and wherefores on the news. 

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    19 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    are you saying that when i scan a qr code the details of my vaccination digital certificate (if on my phone) are forwarded to the web site determined by the qr code?

    Not sure if you are thinking the info goes to the website of the establishment being entered.

    Just to clarify, it is forwarded to the government's website that they once used for contact tracing, not the website of the establishment being entered.  Huge privacy issues if that was the case.

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    1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

    A bloke refuses to get vaccinated and gets likened to Hitler and Putin.
    You Karens can all spare me the hysterical BS.

     

     

    No, he wasn't.

    Nevertheless, let's all move on. If Jack Darling wants to forego his career because of his position on vaccines, that's entirely his choice.

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    16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Not sure if you are thinking the info goes to the website of the establishment being entered.

    Just to clarify, it is forwarded to the government's website that they once used for contact tracing, not the website of the establishment being entered.  Huge privacy issues if that was the case.

    so, that gets back to my original post. what's the point of entering the qr code if it just goes to a non active gov dept?

    are afl venues then going to ask you to display your digital vax certificate on your phone as a condition of entry?

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    1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

    so, that gets back to my original post. what's the point of entering the qr code if it just goes to a non active gov dept?

    are afl venues then going to ask you to display your digital vax certificate on your phone as a condition of entry?

    The QR scan shows the vax status on your phone which is what the person on the door looks at to let you in (or not).  Those without the vax status linked to the QR system can show paper proof of vax to enter.  For these people there is really no need to scan the QR code.

    Yes, AFL venues will ask everyone to show digital (QR scan) or paper proof of vaccination.

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    9 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Yes, AFL venues will ask everyone to show digital (QR scan) or paper proof of vaccination.

    Yep.

    The same rules as for pubs and restaurants - the logic being that in those environment people are sharing a space for extended periods so the risk of transmission is high.

    So, the fewer unvaccinated people in such environments the better - for them (coz they won't get covid and get super sick) and more importantly vaccinated patrons  (coz unvaccinated people are more likely to have covid).

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    13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    The QR scan shows the vax status on your phone which is what the person on the door looks at to let you in (or not).  Those without the vax status linked to the QR system can show paper proof of vax to enter.  For these people there is really no need to scan the QR code.

    Yes, AFL venues will ask everyone to show digital (QR scan) or paper proof of vaccination.

    bear with my confusion

    you said the qr goes to the gov not the venue, so how does the guy at the door know?

    last time i scanned at the g there was no venue person there. just qr codes plastered at various places with no supervision

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    1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

    bear with my confusion

    you said the qr goes to the gov not the venue, so how does the guy at the door know?

    last time i scanned at the g there was no venue person there. just qr codes plastered at various places with no supervision

    Last time I was at the G there was a bloke there and when I pulled the proof of vaccination papers from my pocket "As I don't have a phone" he couldn't have been less interested.
    Didn't even look at it.
    Was happy enough to check the tick on my sisters phone though.
    Millennials .... 'Insert eye roll emoji'

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    11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    bear with my confusion

    you said the qr goes to the gov not the venue, so how does the guy at the door know?

    last time i scanned at the g there was no venue person there. just qr codes plastered at various places with no supervision

    A digital vax certificate/a green tick appears on your phone once you have QR scanned in.  The person simply looks at your phone.

    As @binmanposted it is requirement at bars and restaurants and numerous othe venues.

    I would assume the 'venue person at the G' will be the person on the turnstile or security checking your bag. 

    Someone might tell us what happened re vax status checking in December when the club held its GF re-enactment at the G.  Just noticed @Fork 'em's post.  I guess is the event he is referring to, or maybe it was the cricket?

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    3 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

    Last time I was at the G there was a bloke there and when I pulled the proof of vaccination papers from my pocket "As I don't have a phone" he couldn't have been less interested.
    Didn't even look at it.
    Was happy enough to check the tick on my sisters phone though.
    Millennials .... 'Insert eye roll emoji'

    yes, when i went to a bb game i showed my dig vac cert on my phone to a guy

    but that's not a qr code

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    4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

     I would assume the 'venue person at the G' will be the person on the turnstile or security checking your bag. 

    Someone might tell us what happened re vax status checking in December when the club held its GF re-enactment at the G.  Just noticed @Fork 'em's post.  I guess is the event he is referring to, or maybe it was the cricket?

    Yeah, the GF celebration.

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    2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    A digital vax certificate appears on your phone once you have QR scanned in.  The person looks at your phone.

    As @binmanposted it is requirement at bars and restaurants and numerous othe venues.

    I would assume the 'venue person at the G' will be the person on the turnstile or security checking your bag. 

    Someone might tell us what happened re vax status checking in December when the club held its GF re-enactment at the G.

    my dig vax cert is in my digital wallet. it doesn't pop up magically when i do the qr code thingy

    when asked by someone (sports venue or restaurant) for vax status i just open my digital wallet and show the cert image.....no need to scan qr code

    so again......why bother with qr code scanning

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    2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

     

    so again......why bother with qr code scanning

    To signal you're a good compliant citizen.

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    1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

    my dig vax cert is in my digital wallet. it doesn't pop up magically when i do the qr code thingy

    when asked by someone (sports venue or restaurant) for vax status i just open my digital wallet and show the cert image.....no need to scan qr code

    so again......why bother with qr code scanning

    As I understand it you won't have to do the QR scan; just continue to show your digital wallet. 

    Not everyone has a digital wallet so some people will still need to QR scan to show vax status.

    I think the government press info used the term 'QR scan' as a generic phrase to say people need to show their vax status/certificate (which can take several forms).  Also, the government prefers we still QR scan even tho data isn't used but most people have stopped doing so unless they have to.

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    1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    As I understand it you won't have to do the QR scan; just continue to show your digital wallet. 

    Not everyone has a digital wallet so some people will still need to QR scan to show vax status.

    I think the government press info used the term 'QR scan' as a generic phrase to say people need to show their vax status/certificate (which can take several forms).  Also, the government prefers we still QR scan even tho data isn't used but most people have stopped doing so unless they have to.

    Exactly.

    I don't have a digital wallet. 

    To show my vax status i always scan the QR code to bring up my services app and vax certificate.

    Or for my regular haunts that i have saved, just pull up the app.

    Love the fact that this year i'l be adding the g as a favorite

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    4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:


    Here we are all forken triple vaccinated,  we can still get it, still pass it on .... But not as bad or so the spin doctors will have you believe.
    The only people he is supposedly "putting at risk" are himself and others who have made the choice not to get vaccinated with god knows what they're injecting into us.
     

    There are people that cannot receive the vax for medical reasons and there are people who are immunocompromised that have been vaxxed but are still at risk if they get covid.  like my brother in law who had a kidney transplant.

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    1 hour ago, binman said:

    Yep.

    The same rules as for pubs and restaurants - the logic being that in those environment people are sharing a space for extended periods so the risk of transmission is high.

    So, the fewer unvaccinated people in such environments the better - for them (coz they won't get covid and get super sick) and more importantly vaccinated patrons  (coz unvaccinated people are more likely to have covid).

    I don't get the logic.

    I'm double vaxxed and have had covid. All the data suggests that if you are double vaxxed you are much less likely to get severe symptoms, go to hospital or ICU. I had mild symptoms and that is more than likely due to the vax and also the Omni strain.

    As far as I can determine the vax doesn't stop the spread. So it makes no difference to the person next to you if you are vaxxed or not. The responsibility is on the person themselves to get the vax done and they shouldn't worry about people around them.

    The only reason I can see for mandates is to keep hospitalisation rates down and have as many beds available for those who need them.

     

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    33 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

     

    As far as I can determine the vax doesn't stop the spread. So it makes no difference to the person next to you if you are vaxxed or not. The responsibility is on the person themselves to get the vax done and they shouldn't worry about people around them.

     

    small correction:   you can be well vaxxed and still transmiisable, but the viral load will likely be lower than someone unvaxxed. so, you may be transmissable but less so, if that makes sense

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    1 hour ago, Biffen said:

    Which many wont be.

    I've had enough of the spin.

    I've had the virus and it's like a bad flu lasting 5-7 days.

    Count yourself lucky that you only had flu like symptoms and unlike many did not require hospitalisation, a ventilator or struggle to recover with long Covid. Unlike others you did not die.  

    That is not spin. 

    The politicians definitely had their moments but without quick action by our governments many more would have died particularly from the Delta strain. 

    But don’t imply, Covid is nothing to worry about or there is no need to take precautions. 

    Your fine, well bully for you. Others have not been so lucky and family and friends have grieved. 

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    Can covid somehow affect DeGoey. I am so sick of seeing him nearly every night on the news training. I know it's not his fault he is the focus but honestly if he went to the toilet at training the media would report on it. 

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