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  On 13/08/2021 at 05:07, Macca said:

No MD

I'm just not going to tell people what the thread is.  Says a lot to me that no one has got it yet

It's just so obvious to those without prejudice or without blinkered views

Also, I wouldn't dare post on the thread in question as I'm not going to take on the mob (without support)

This is starting to feel like one of @Demonstone’s dastardly discombobulating puzzles. Only, not as much fun. The Friday the 13th version, maybe. 
All I’ve got is the Jake Bowey thread but that can’t be it coz nobody was bagging him. They merely mentioned his red hair. 
My other “guess” is the Dean Margetts is retiring thread. But that can’t be it either. That’s not an example of prejudice in the true meaning of the word. It’s merely bagging someone who many feel is not doing a good job.

So yeah, I am and shall remain 100% none the wiser.

 

 
  On 13/08/2021 at 05:21, WalkingCivilWar said:

All I’ve got is the Jake Bowey thread but that can’t be it coz nobody was bagging him.

I guess it could possibly be either the Viney thread or the COVID thread.

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    Surely he's not equating racially vilifiying somone (abusing someone about, and because of their race) with critisising someone about their performance who just happen to be white?  Surely he's not that silly.

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      On 13/08/2021 at 05:53, S_T said:

    Surely he's not equating racially vilifiy somone (abusing them about, and because of their race) with critisising someone about their performance who just happen to be white?  Surely he's not that silly.

    Criticism or outright abuse (and worse)

    The bloke in question would have every right to be aggrieved by the vitriol pointed in his direction.  Extremely hurtful especially when factoring in mental illness issues

    But we are creatures of habit and one persons normal can be another persons outrage

      On 13/08/2021 at 05:21, WalkingCivilWar said:

    This is starting to feel like one of @Demonstone’s dastardly discombobulating puzzles. Only, not as much fun. The Friday the 13th version, maybe. 
    All I’ve got is the Jake Bowey thread but that can’t be it coz nobody was bagging him. They merely mentioned his red hair. 
    My other “guess” is the Dean Margetts is retiring thread. But that can’t be it either. That’s not an example of prejudice in the true meaning of the word. It’s merely bagging someone who many feel is not doing a good job.

    So yeah, I am and shall remain 100% none the wiser.

     

    You're getting warmer


    Jeepers

    I'm getting more face palms than Wrecker!!

    A clue

    Know my history

    Thanks for playing!!

      On 13/08/2021 at 05:59, Macca said:

    You're getting warmer

    It has become quite apparent that you are referring to the Tex Walker thread, and yes, some of the commentary ha been waaaaay over the top, but when I see Betts talking about things from the perspective of an indigenous person, then the mental health argument can be applied equally, if not more so, to the victims as opposed to the instigators. 

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:04, Macca said:

    Jeepers

    I'm getting more face palms than Wrecker!!

    A clue

    Know my history

    Thanks for playing!!

    Can everyone please stop engaging with this trash.

    This thread is meant to be about support and discussion around one of our Indigenous players being the victim of racism, it's not meant to be a grievance guessing game for trolls.

    Step back and take a good look at yourself 'Macca'.

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:05, hardtack said:

    It has become quite apparent that you are referring to the Tex Walker thread, and yes, some of the commentary ha been waaaaay over the top, but when I see Betts talking about things from the perspective of an indigenous person, then the mental health argument can be applied equally, if not more so, to the victims as opposed to the instigators. 

    No,  Walker got what he deserved

    I would have turfed him out for at least half of next year and then some

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:08, Lord Nev said:

    Can everyone please stop engaging with this trash.

    This thread is meant to be about support and discussion around one of our Indigenous players being the victim of racism, it's not meant to be a grievance guessing game for trolls.

    Step back and take a good look at yourself 'Macca'.

    And the reason I brought up my original point is to point out that prejudice lies elsewhere and if people want to be fair-minded, they should practice what they preach


      On 13/08/2021 at 06:08, Lord Nev said:

    Can everyone please stop engaging with this trash.

    This thread is meant to be about support and discussion around one of our Indigenous players being the victim of racism, it's not meant to be a grievance guessing game for trolls.

    Step back and take a good look at yourself 'Macca'.

    I hear you, Nev. And while I did refer to this as a guessing game, I seriously would like to know to whom prejudicial comments were made. Because if I’ve been guilty of this I’d like to be told so as I can address it. But I can’t even begin to think of atonement when I don’t know to whom and in which way I’ve erred. 

      On 13/08/2021 at 06:17, WalkingCivilWar said:

    I hear you, Nev. And while I did refer to this as a guessing game, I seriously would like to know to whom prejudicial comments were made. Because if I’ve been guilty of this I’d like to be told so as I can address it. But I can’t even begin to think of atonement when I don’t know to whom and in which way I’ve erred. 

    It's clearly just going to be 'whataboutism'. Don't engage. 'Macca' is just the next in line poster in this thread trying to deflect and minimize the experience of Indigenous people in this country because they either can't or won't comprehend how racism is about power and that's why it's not the same experience for everyone.

     

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      On 12/08/2021 at 11:29, Sir Why You Little said:

    Wow 🤩 i never thought i would see a video such as that on Demonland!!

    Very well put together btw. 
     

    Trump put Racism back on the map for at least 50 years. (Charlottesville)

    It was a very scary time, which is still rolling…

    Ah, the old Charlottesville hoax.

    People have been pushing this Charlottesville thing since the day after it happened and I wonder if many have actually watched the video or read the written text of the press conference.

    His "fine people" quote was in reference to the people protesting the removal of statues and yet everyone willfully ignores this very clear line.

     

    "So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

    "Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

     

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    Crikey faulty, you get so triggered by any mention of Trump. 

    I assume you've read his new book?

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:40, Demonstone said:

    Crikey faulty, you get so triggered by any mention of Trump. 

    I assume you've read his new book?

    mT8WMBv.jpg

    I love this!!!! I’ve not seen this before. In my household we all call coffee covfefe. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to send this pic to every single person I know and some that I don’t know. 


      On 13/08/2021 at 06:40, Demonstone said:

    Crikey faulty, you get so triggered by any mention of Trump. 

    I assume you've read his new book?

    mT8WMBv.jpg

    I have an autographed copy Demonstone.

    Will wait 'till after the Don croaks it and chuck it on Ebay.

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:40, Demonstone said:

    Crikey faulty, you get so triggered by any mention of Trump. 

    I assume you've read his new book?

    mT8WMBv.jpg

    If only he had hadn't abandoned his art....

      On 13/08/2021 at 06:20, Lord Nev said:

    either can't or won't comprehend how racism is about power and that's why it's not the same experience for everyone

    Yes. Name-calling and abuse is but the tip of a deep but insidious iceberg.

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:20, Lord Nev said:

    It's clearly just going to be 'whataboutism'. Don't engage. 'Macca' is just the next in line poster in this thread trying to deflect and minimize the experience of Indigenous people in this country because they either can't or won't comprehend how racism is about power and that's why it's not the same experience for everyone.

     

    You couldn't be wrong ... especially if you know my life history.  Put it this way, I indirectly experience racism on a daily basis.  My partner cops it directly

    And it's not pleasant ... so much so that we had to move to a more 'multicultural' area to escape it all

    So you've jumped to the wrong conclusion ... the mistake I made was mentioning the word 'white' in my original post ... I've been lumped in with others who use the word 'white' for other reasons

    So cool your heels and ease up on the face palming

     

     

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      On 13/08/2021 at 00:48, Macca said:

    'Say No To Racism'

    But I find it rather ironic that on another thread that is often running side by side with this one involves the vilification & abuse of a white man

    No one has come to his defence and even his family & children are being brought into the argument (by default)

    Sadly, many of you won't even know what I'm talking about such are the blinkered views of the mob

    I'm for fairness all round but people can't pick and choose in that area.  Otherwise, hypocrisy reigns supreme

    @Lord Nev @WalkingCivilWarI reckon @Macca was referring to the Dean Margetts thread.


    You couldn't be more wrong about me Lord Nev

    I'm not deflecting, more so broadening the argument.  Unfortunately my use of the word 'white' in my original post has been lumped in with others who use the word in more sinister ways

    I indirectly experience racism on a daily basis ... my partner directly.  So much so that we had to move to a more multicultural area of Melbourne to escape it all

    And to say it's not at all pleasant would be understating things

    Most of it is subtle but that's often the worst type of discrimination

    By the way, the thread I was referring to was the Dean Margetts one. On top of that particular thread, the general abuse that he cops on a regular basis outside of that thread (game day thread, post match thread etc etc)

    Over the top, clearly wrong and with a heavy bias to the whole W/L hip pocket area

    In my eyes I saw him as a fine umpire who paid free kicks to players who play in front and are first in the ball (which the Eagles are good at)

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      On 13/08/2021 at 06:22, faultydet said:

    Ah, the old Charlottesville hoax.

    People have been pushing this Charlottesville thing since the day after it happened and I wonder if many have actually watched the video or read the written text of the press conference.

    His "fine people" quote was in reference to the people protesting the removal of statues and yet everyone willfully ignores this very clear line.

     

    "So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

    "Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

     

    I watched it all Live Fault. All of it. I was in shock. i  was on long service so had all the channels going in the Hotel Room

    I also remember what Trump said (or more precisely what he didn’t say) 

    The KKK was back in town

     

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      On 13/08/2021 at 07:25, Macca said:

    I'm not deflecting...

    By the way, the thread I was referring to was the Dean Margetts one. On top of that particular thread, the general abuse that he cops on a regular basis outside of that thread (game day thread, post match thread etc etc)

    Over the top, clearly wrong and with a heavy bias to the whole W/L hip pocket area

    In my eyes I saw him as a fine umpire who paid free kicks to players who play in front and are first in the ball (which the Eagles are good at)

    You are, albeit potentially not on purpose. So stop.

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      On 13/08/2021 at 07:29, Sir Why You Little said:

    I watched it all Live Fault. All of it. I was in shock. i  was on long service so had all the channels going in the Hotel Room

    I also remember what Trump said (or more precisely what he didn’t say) 

    The KKK was back in town

     

    So you don't place any weight whatsoever on the fact he SPECIFICALLY said he wasn't referring to white supremacists and that they should be "condemned totally"?

    That's the entire point of the criticism against him from many quarters.

     

      On 13/08/2021 at 07:25, Macca said:

    You couldn't be more wrong about me Lord Nev

    I'm not deflecting, more so broadening the argument.  Unfortunately my use of the word 'white' in my original post has been lumped in with others who use the word in more sinister ways

    I indirectly experience racism on a daily basis ... my partner directly.  So much so that we had to move to a more multicultural area of Melbourne to escape it all

    And to say it's not at all pleasant would be understating things

    Most of it is subtle but that's often the worst type of discrimination

    By the way, the thread I was referring to was the Dean Margetts one. On top of that particular thread, the general abuse that he cops on a regular basis outside of that thread (game day thread, post match thread etc etc)

    Over the top, clearly wrong and with a heavy bias to the whole W/L hip pocket area

    In my eyes I saw him as a fine umpire who paid free kicks to players who play in front and are first in the ball (which the Eagles are good at)

    Macca surely you can see how takimg up space in this thread to discuss vilifying an umpire detracts from the issue at hand?

    I attached the clubs statement earlier.

    It doesn't ask us to "compare racism to other discrimination and assess which is worse".

    It doesn't ask us to debate whether what was said was really that bad (like posters who focussed on knowing the particular words tried to do).

    It certainly doesn't ask "why should First Nations people get special awards, isn't that racism itself?" (which one poster did).

    It asks us to play a proactive role in stamping out racism, to call out racism where we see it.

     

    If you are well intentioned, don't bring the topic down to this level. There are posters here who are pushing racist talking points, trying to sabotage the conversation. Tackle that issue, that's what it's about this week.

    Leave the treatment of umpires for another time.

     

     

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