On the off topic discussion.

I have increasingly become a student of alternative history.

Simply spelt it means looking at history from multiple angles.
Tharoor's book for all his faults is incredibly well argued and thought provoking.

A few years ago in Kolkata I came upon a house turned into a small museum.  It was the home of Chandra Bose. Why had I as a very well educated Westerner never heard of him. India treats him as a national hero.

Anyway back to the race and nice to have some reasoned discussion.

Thanks

Trump edging away in Michigan (24klead) but still around 900k votes to count

PS.. have been noticing a third candidate Jo Jorgensen...  Pauline Hanson on steroids from my quick research. Seriously though you wonder if there is room for a third party spoiler in the future given how close the parties have become numbers wise. Would be a nightmare for the two big parties.

Edited November 4, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Chandra Bose

There were a number of people who did similar stuff in other parts of India too....

5 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

How did 233,000 COVID deaths this year not seem to have an impact on people's voting!?

Cause they never happened.

Before anyone flies off the handle, no I don’t believe it. What kind of callousness would it take to insist it’s fake news??? Though, strangely, some American friends - medicos, believe it or not - told me as much.... 

‘What has happened to ‘Fact?’

Edited November 4, 20204 yr by Grr-owl

10 hours ago, dieter said:

I agree entirely that the so-called Binary/Either/Or system is folly, nonsense and simply a convenient way for those who really rule the world - I'm not talking Occult, Deep State Bulldust, I'm talking about the system that allows the US to be at war with someone every year of its history except for sixteen, apparently, no matter which party is in power - to give people the illusion they have a choice.

With regard to Hitler, there is a large part of the Historical Community which acknowledges that it is not as simple or crude as your assessment. It more or less accepts that there would have been no Hitler if the so-called victors hadn't made the Germans totally responsible for WW1. The treaty of Versailles was a total travesty. I recall one of the conga line of German Chancellors - Stresemann - begging the Brits and especially the French to alleviate the unachievable reparations they were forced to pay and we all know the result.  

It’s an over-simplification, though. Historical events played into Hitler’s hand. The Great Depression, for instance.

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Trump now only 60k ahead in Michigan with around 600k votes to be counted.

Biden has now overtaken Trump in Michigan and has closed in to within a couple of percent in both Georgia and North Carolina. If things stay as they are now, he wins the election because he’s reached the 270 votes required.  But then the litigation begins.

MSNBC just told me Trump's distinguished personal attorney is about to take time out from his busy schedule of shagging 15-year-olds to make a statement. Should be interesting. 

6 hours ago, hardtack said:

Biden has now overtaken Trump in Michigan and has closed in to within a couple of percent in both Georgia and North Carolina. If things stay as they are now, he wins the election because he’s reached the 270 votes required.  But then the litigation begins.

Virtually over the line in Michigan with only Nevada to clinch the win.  And Biden is coming home with a wet sail in Pennsylvania.

North Carolina & Georgia can't be ruled out either.  The postal votes are running at 78% in the Democrats favour in some of the undecided States

The betting agencies have Biden at $1.19 with Trump at $4.50.  Not that I'm encouraging gambling but the betting agencies are nearly always on the money. 

12 hours ago, Jara said:

Biden over the line - if the Supremes let him.

C'mon Diana Ross, don't keep me hanging on.

3 hours ago, Macca said:

The betting agencies have Biden at $1.19 with Trump at $4.50.  Not that I'm encouraging gambling but the betting agencies are nearly always on the money. 

I wonder if it's too late for a certain poster to change horses?

11 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I wonder if it's too late for a certain poster to change horses?

#GambleResponsibly

It's all over

Sports Bet have paid out on Biden ?

Watching the ads on Fox News has certainly expanded my knowledge on medical and health quackery in the 21st century not to mention they have an online business prepared to broker almost anything for a fee.

Edited November 5, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

You are almost certainly right DJ but here's some detail ...

Waiting on Nevada but the votes are coming from Clark County (Las Vegas) which had a majority of Democrat votes in the last election

52% - 41%

Might not find out for another day but don't rule out some sort of attempted injunction

 

2% of votes around 90k still to be counted in Georgia with Biden trailing by 30k

Biden would need to take over 70% of the remaining vote to win

Close

Arizona fast going back into the doubtful basket.

500k votes tobe counted. Although they are pre polls they were the ones delivered on election day and are expected to favour Trump as the Biden pre pollers favoured voting early.

Could be a potential game changer.

12 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

It’s an over-simplification, though. Historical events played into Hitler’s hand. The Great Depression, for instance.

I agree entirely: I didn't want to turn it into a history lesson.

came across this .....deserves to be framed !!

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 20204 yr by Jaded

19 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

How did 233,000 COVID deaths this year not seem to have an impact on people's voting!?

Well, 5 people contributed to approximately 80,000 of those deaths by mandating COVID patients move to aged care facilities.  So maybe it did.

26 minutes ago, Trisul said:

Well, 5 people contributed to approximately 80,000 of those deaths by mandating COVID patients move to aged care facilities.  So maybe it did.

And the other 150,000 deaths?

The prez is coming home strong in Arizona....   Georgia should already have been called for him but we know how the corrupt media/big tech work.

Come on President Trump, bring it home big boy!

17 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

The prez is coming home strong in Arizona....   Georgia should already have been called for him but we know how the corrupt media/big tech work.

Come on President Trump, bring it home big boy!

Trump up by 0.5% in Georgia, 1.4% in North Carolina and 2.6% in Pennsylvania (down from 12% early today)... it wouldn't matter if Arizona AND Nevada went his way, he's still a dead man walking, I would think.

4 hours ago, hardtack said:

Trump up by 0.5% in Georgia, 1.4% in North Carolina and 2.6% in Pennsylvania (down from 12% early today)... it wouldn't matter if Arizona AND Nevada went his way, he's still a dead man walking, I would think.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge here, Nevada is tighter than a ducks a-hole and having that shift could be big. Arizona is still in play and Trump is doing better than expected there, Biden has a lot of ground to make on the other states mind you he did it in Wisconsin and Michigan. 

It’s been like the slowest game of AFL, you see one side get ahead and you think it’s over but a little momentum shift can flip everything. 

6 minutes ago, Pates said:

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge here, Nevada is tighter than a ducks a-hole and having that shift could be big. Arizona is still in play and Trump is doing better than expected there, Biden has a lot of ground to make on the other states mind you he did it in Wisconsin and Michigan. 

It’s been like the slowest game of AFL, you see one side get ahead and you think it’s over but a little momentum shift can flip everything. 

I’m pretty confident Biden will win Pennsylvania. He has brought the margin down from over 12% to 2.6% in the space of a day, and the postal votes remaining are expected to heavily favour him, being mostly from urban areas. He is unlikely to give up both of Arizona and Nevada and he’s still a good chance to take out Georgia where most remaining votes are from urban areas... even if you take away the 50 votes that may have been mishandled by a postal worker.

https://youtu.be/4v8ZhN-djhI

Edited November 5, 20204 yr by The Lobster Effect

6 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

The prez is coming home strong in Arizona....   Georgia should already have been called for him but we know how the corrupt media/big tech work.

Come on President Trump, bring it home big boy!

So if they should call Georgia why not call Arizona? Oh that’s right because Trump and his supporters are too stupid to stick to a single narrative. 
Can’t have it both ways big boy ?