On 26/06/2020 at 04:24, old dee said:

Í" just get over it"

I would say that my tolerance of people with mental problems was not as good as it could have been, I have tended to say oh just get on with life. But recently I had a bout of serious physical ill health that went on for months. After some time it affected me mentally not serious but still I discovered what it was like to walk in someone else's shoes. Easier  said than done " just get on with it". 

Also this is central to this whole Thread OD. 

Because it it mostly those who are more sensitive nature'd,  who more often suffer depression and anxiety issues.

 

And it goes, that those less sensitive of nature are most often in leadership roles;  were they play the politics of the systems better,  and so, they go on to make a lot of insensitively based decisions and laws.

And soon, the society is out of balance.

 

And its the sensitive creatives who are more on the humanities/arts,  and science based roles within our communities.

 

It's these sensitive types who should be the leaders; but the system does not work for the true Quiet Australians.

Edited June 26, 20204 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:15, Mel Bourne said:

Wasn't always an entirely benevolent force, mind you. A lot of black artists were victims of overt plagiarism without receiving the appropriate compensation. Led Zep in particular were shockers in this regard, but there were many, many more white artists who exploited the lack of legal protection behind the early blues artists' work. 

 

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:28, Sir Why You Little said:

Oh yes. I know of the Plagiarism of LZ and others. 
nothing is ever perfect, but the Stones to this day still respect their origins

 

Who, was it that plagiarized the concept of 4 wheels on a car.

Sometimes once you put a thought to air and give it  'it's breath',  it stops belonging to just the original thinkers.

  On 26/06/2020 at 02:37, Fork 'em said:

You will never ever totally stamp out racism.
Are we gonna spend the rest of our lives highlighting the 1 moron who has a crack?
And if we were true to ourselves racism comes in all colours, not just whites.

Best just get over it and move on.

Get over it?  How many times in his life do you think Neville has been expected to 'get over it'?  Those micro-aggressions add up.  

The 'get over it attitude' makes it the problem of the target. 

It is not Neville Jetta, Eddie Betts or Adam Goodes job to 'get over' cheap shots from racists. 

It's our job to be a better football community.

 

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:54, MyFavouriteMartian said:

 

 

Who, was it that plagiarized the concept of 4 wheels on a car.

Sometimes once you put a thought to air and give it  'it's breath',  it stops belonging to just the original thinkers.

Hence the term “overt”. I know what you’re getting at but some things are less nebulous than others. 

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:50, Brownie said:

Keith Richards biography was a really good read. Surprisingly he remembered lots!

He spoke about how thrilled he was to tour the US the first time. Not for the fame but the opportunity after their big shows to go and find his heroes in little dive bars and sit in with them and play and learn from them. He saw this as a huge priveledge.

I guess racism gets beaten when people walk a mile in other peoples shoes and people keep an open mind.

It is up to us all not to step over racism and violence to others.

Exactly. Keith has made $Millions but it isn’t about the money

They just wanted to play the Blues and visit Chess Studios back in the early days

”Life” is an amazing read!!

The internet has done a lot of good for the world. But equally it has given a voice to every uneducated, ignorant [censored] with a keyboard.

 

  On 26/06/2020 at 02:37, Fork 'em said:

You will never ever totally stamp out racism.
Are we gonna spend the rest of our lives highlighting the 1 moron who has a crack?
And if we were true to ourselves racism comes in all colours, not just whites.

Best just get over it and move on.

You can't tell people who have suffered decades of persecution for their race, ethnicity, gender or religious beliefs to just 'get over it'. 

Getting over it implies that the people being targeted are the ones in the wrong. They are not.

Would you tell a holocaust survivor to 'get over it and move on'? How about a rape victim? A family who lost a child? A war veteran with PTSD? 

It is not up to us to decide when someone should get over it. It is up to us to ensure there is nothing to get over by stamping out and calling out pathetic racist behaviour. 

  On 26/06/2020 at 05:37, Jaded said:

 A family who lost a child?

 

 

Who could forget this tragedy, Jaded?

 

 

 

Hey just some humour in a depressing thread.  Dont come after me ya scumbags!

It has always given me the ...... to see some supporters have indigenous players as their favourites at their own Clubs but will be racist towards indigenous players at their own Clubs.

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:50, Brownie said:

Keith Richards biography was a really good read.

Thanks mate!

The point of this tweet is to seek attention, we have given it 5 pages of attention. While racism should not be tolerated neither should virtue signalling a post that everyone it seems, thinks should not be tolerated.

Moderators should have killed this thread within the first few replies. Keeping it on here is justifying the success of this type of post for attention seeking.I am sure the demonland rules are against promoting racism. Just having a thread on it is supporting racism. A football thread is not the place for this sort of thread anyway.  

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:15, Mel Bourne said:

Wasn't always an entirely benevolent force, mind you. A lot of black artists were victims of overt plagiarism without receiving the appropriate compensation. Led Zep in particular were shockers in this regard, but there were many, many more white artists who exploited the lack of legal protection behind the early blues artists' work. 

There is a lot more to this than the you say here 'Mel'...

Zep have become the whipping boys (The ANB's or Omac's of music) on this one and yeah there is an argument to be made.

...but the problem with legal protection for a lot of the old blues songs is no one knows who really wrote them in the first place, and usually no one in particular did. If that makes sense.

They all plagiarised each other, but it wasn't called that then as there was no money in it so nobody bothered.

It's folk music, it's been handed down over generations.

I've heard Big Bill Broonzy talk about borrowing from so and so who borrowed from so and so and on and on.

Who did write "Key to the Highway' for example.

"Key to the Highway" is usually credited to Charles "Chas" Segar and William "Big Bill" Broonzy.^[1] Broonzy explained the song's development: 

Some of the verses he [Charlie Segar] was singing it in the South the same time as I sung it in the South. And practically all of blues is just a little change from the way that they was sung when I was a kid ... You take one song and make fifty out of it ... just change it a little bit.^[2]

One thing is for sure...BB King, Muddy Waters and the like made a good living because the British artists championed their work.

They took 'Race' music back to the US masses...many of whom thought it was original stuff from the UK.

Would it have happened without Clapton, the Stones...who knows.

Maybe at a later time...

I mean even Hendrix had to go to the UK to kick start his solo career.

He'd been kicking around the US before as a sideman but had to go away and come back to be recognised.

Interesting topic on a footy forum.

That's what I like about here...the tangents can at times be more interesting than the footy.

Man...I hope we nail the Cats this week...that we can agree on.

God, it was so good to see so many Demonlanders at the March nearly 3 weeks ago, trying to make change and educate

Edited June 26, 20204 yr by Satyriconhome

Racism should never be accepted. It should be noted as ignorance, born out of fear and stupidity.  

  On 26/06/2020 at 03:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Musicians born post war did a huge service to stop racism. 

The Rolling Stones took Black Music back to America in 1964 and it grew. 
the problem is still there, i know, but years before it wasn’t a problem. 

i think 2020 will change a lot. We all saw the 8 minutes of footage where a man was suffocated by a Policeman. 
Social Media is not all bad

Your best yet, I lived in the UK in 60's and early 70's, Enoch Powell ring a bell

There were places in Liverpool where I couldn't safely go at night coz I was Caucasian

Racism, discrimination is and was always a problem

  On 26/06/2020 at 07:20, Mental Demons said:

The point of this tweet is to seek attention, we have given it 5 pages of attention. While racism should not be tolerated neither should virtue signalling a post that everyone it seems, thinks should not be tolerated.

Moderators should have killed this thread within the first few replies. Keeping it on here is justifying the success of this type of post for attention seeking.I am sure the demonland rules are against promoting racism. Just having a thread on it is supporting racism. A football thread is not the place for this sort of thread anyway.  

This thread is what the fight against racism needs, discussion and education

Shut it down coz your uncomfortable with it?

You have to call out racist posts

Do you actually know what virtue signalling means?

  On 26/06/2020 at 07:57, Satyriconhome said:

Your best yet, I lived in the UK in 60's and early 70's, Enoch Powell ring a bell

There were places in Liverpool where I couldn't safely go at night coz I was Caucasian

Racism, discrimination is and was always a problem

Of course the problem was always there, and still is. 
But back then it wasn’t Considered a Problem. It wasn’t considered anything. Segregation was “normal” until certain people said ...enough  

 

 

When are we going to learn.......

  On 26/06/2020 at 07:42, Satyriconhome said:

God, it was so good to see so many Demonlanders at the March nearly 3 weeks ago, trying to make change and educate

Please don’t start with this. I chose to stay home because it was the SAFE thing to do in the midst of a global pandemic. There are other ways to oppose and fight against racism. 
Given the current increase in cases, a big gathering like that was unwise and dangerous. 

  On 26/06/2020 at 08:27, Jaded said:

Please don’t start with this. I chose to stay home because it was the SAFE thing to do in the midst of a global pandemic. There are other ways to oppose and fight against racism. 
Given the current increase in cases, a big gathering like that was unwise and dangerous. 

Yeah, I know big family groups getting on the turps and not giving a toss about personal hygiene

Whereas the March has 3 repeat 3 cases linked directly to it

You have to take a public stand, otherwise it gets brushed away

I felt safer at the March, than I did at Victoria Gardens shopping centre the next day

  On 26/06/2020 at 08:10, TheKozzieExperience said:

 

 

I know, you should stop it

Nothing of value to add to an important topic

Maybe if you grow up and show a bit of maturity, perhaps I would take your facile and juvenile input a bit more seriously

Racism is an important subject, only have your nickname coz it looks cool? ask Kossie about some of his experoences

Edited June 27, 20204 yr by george_on_the_outer

  On 26/06/2020 at 08:33, Satyriconhome said:

Yeah, I know big family groups getting on the turps and not giving a toss about personal hygiene

Whereas the March has 3 repeat 3 cases linked directly to it

You have to take a public stand, otherwise it gets brushed away

I felt safer at the March, than I did at Victoria Gardens shopping centre the next day

Hardly the point. The point is that we were told not to gather in large groups. I chose to listen and follow the rules. Many didn’t and yes we are lucky to have low case numbers from the protests, but people not listening and not doing the right thing is exactly why we are seeing a second wave. 
It could have easily happened as a result of the protests. 

  On 26/06/2020 at 08:38, Jaded said:

Hardly the point. The point is that we were told not to gather in large groups. I chose to listen and follow the rules. Many didn’t and yes we are lucky to have low case numbers from the protests, but people not listening and not doing the right thing is exactly why we are seeing a second wave. 
It could have easily happened as a result of the protests. 

We are seeing the large numbers, because people are being what I was called on here SELFISH

I wasn't being  selfish, I was adding my voice to others who struggle to be heard

Edited June 26, 20204 yr by Satyriconhome

  On 26/06/2020 at 02:00, hardtack said:

That account no longer exists, thankfully.

It's a shame that people can simply deactivate an account and make a new one. Social media would be much better if peoples identities are verified and even if using an alias cannot simply create another account. There needs to be more accountability for what people post and for the social media platforms to verify every members identity.

  On 26/06/2020 at 04:58, deegirl said:

Get over it?  How many times in his life do you think Neville has been expected to 'get over it'?  Those micro-aggressions add up.  

The 'get over it attitude' makes it the problem of the target. 

It is not Neville Jetta, Eddie Betts or Adam Goodes job to 'get over' cheap shots from racists. 

It's our job to be a better football community.

 

Well said deegirl.

To me the movement against racism is about us as a society speaking up against racism. If someone says something racist, pull them up on it regardless of the forum.

Also I'll put my hand up as someone who has even recently made racially inappropriate comments among close friends as a joke, a form of casual racism which really isn't funny. On reflection I've made a commitment to stop this and also pull up others for the same thing, as this will make a positive difference to society.