7 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

 

Hahaha, you're so funny, LN.  You say that you think you've had your political fill for the day, then you follow it up 8 minutes later with another political reference, which was totally unprovoked.  In that time, only one person added to the thread, SWYL, and he talked about playing the guitar.

Unsubscribe.

Just now, hardtack said:

Um, you're talking about a TV show.  Unless you want to start your own TV show, then there's not really any other way you're going to be able to respond anyway... try yelling at your TV; that might help.

That's why I choose not to watch the show, HT.

We have quite a simple life rule in our household, and that is if you are going to whinge about something, what are you going to do about it to change it.  In this case, I'm not interested at all in trying to start my own TV show (possibly more to the point that others wouldn't be interested!), so the simple solution is to take the action I have.    

3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Um, you're talking about a TV show.  Unless you want to start your own TV show, then there's not really any other way you're going to be able to respond anyway... try yelling at your TV; that might help.

Actually, Chazz has many options available. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, letters to the editors of newspapers, even Demonland, are all forms of media open to Chazz and anyone else to express their opinions.

One big difference is that in some of these forms, there is no true editorial control, whereas whatever is printed in a "real" newspaper or broadcast on a licensed TV channel's program actually has to meet some standards (although we could argue about whether those standards are appropriate or adequately enforced).

35 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

So if a "lefty" says something that I don't agree with, does that mean I have to jump on one of the "righty" platforms to respond?

To be honest I don't watch any of these infotainment channels but I assume it would be the same as a "lefty" given a right of response on one of the Sky news programs. All of these are privately owned networks so there is no compulsion for anyone to give equal time to the "other" side. That's why it is so important to keep publicly funded independent services and not gut them like the LNP is doing with the ABC.

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

To be honest I don't watch any of these infotainment channels but I assume it would be the same as a "lefty" given a right of response on one of the Sky news programs. All of these are privately owned networks so there is no compulsion for anyone to give equal time to the "other" side. That's why it is so important to keep publicly funded independent services and not gut them like the LNP is doing with the ABC.

I know we don't agree about our Round 1 performance, Dr, but I totally agree on your post here!

46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah there's a real absence of right-wing opinions in the media hey.... ?

It seems White, is Right, wing, an a prayer.

It's more prevalent these days than ever before.   Right wing has gone way right,  since Bobby Hawke took Labor right. 

 

Menzies would look more like Don Chipp, these days.

 

# Hi to Trump,  Boris J,  Temer,  Pinera,  Bolsonaro,  Hanson,  Bernadi,  Leyonhjelm,  Abbott,  Dutton,  Abe,  Orban,  Macron,  Berlusconi, 

42 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's why it is so important to keep publicly funded independent services and not gut them like the LNP is doing with the ABC.

Totally agree mate...

It provides a public service that the other networks can't due to ratings and revenue pressures.

Just one example is the work done by the ABC during the recent bushfire disasters saved lives.

44 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

To be honest I don't watch any of these infotainment channels but I assume it would be the same as a "lefty" given a right of response on one of the Sky news programs. All of these are privately owned networks so there is no compulsion for anyone to give equal time to the "other" side. That's why it is so important to keep publicly funded independent services and not gut them like the LNP is doing with the ABC.

The ABC deserves to be gutted as it is the only one who has a charter to provide balance, but stubbornly refuses to do so. It used to be a great media outlet back when i was a kid but has become nothing more than a Green-Left propaganda mouthpiece. It also seems to go out of its way to push the most critical viewpoint of Australia.

The Project is a great fit for the ABC come to think of it.

53 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

To be honest I don't watch any of these infotainment channels but I assume it would be the same as a "lefty" given a right of response on one of the Sky news programs. All of these are privately owned networks so there is no compulsion for anyone to give equal time to the "other" side. That's why it is so important to keep publicly funded independent services and not gut them like the LNP is doing with the ABC.

It always amazes me listing to Sky News commentators endlessly bleating on about the neutrality of the ABC (or lack there of in their eyes), yet Sky News doesn't even pretend to be a fair and neutral presenter of news.  Listening to guys like Paul Murray, Andrew Bolt, Mark Latham etc endlessly bleating on about bloody lefties etc.

I think it speaks volumes to their lack of intellect. 

As a paying customer of theirs, I'd really like to remove Sky News from my Foxtel subscription and redirect those funds to a genuine news service like the ABC, perhaps I should write them a letter - would be interesting to see their response.

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes it is a pity he cannot just be himself. The exact reason i cannot watch the program

If you don't watch the program, how do you know he is like that?

Or just going with the flow again?

2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

That's why I have no interest in watching The Project.  Hellier can be amusing at times, but is cringeworthy when not.  He knows how powerful the Collingwood FC and it's head honchos are in the media and communications areas, which is where Hellier gets his bread buttered.  He's not going to ruffle feathers among the CFC power-brokers.

And Aly?  From the very few snippets I have heard from him, I think he uses his position on the show to cram his opinion/agenda down our throats, while very rarely covering all angles, or at the very minimum, looking at it objectively.  The Lumumba story is a classic example of that.

Walid has gone to the "no complaining side"

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Lumumba claims to have taken magic mushrooms to deal with racism. It make me feel shallow that I only took shrooms to experience inter-dimensional consciousness.

"Today a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration; that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Waleed with an opinionated rant."

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

People will have different perspectives on all things in life What must be upheld is their right to so do. We live in a conundrum.

You have a right to your own opinions/beliefs but you do not have a right to your own facts

A political view, Trump is not a 'right', Trump is for Trump and will go whichever way benefits him

Issue with HL, was and is he is 'different from the acceptable norm and the colour of his skin, a threat to 'middle Australia and the racists of course

6 minutes ago, ding said:

The ABC deserves to be gutted as it is the only one who has a charter to provide balance, but stubbornly refuses to do so. It used to be a great media outlet back when i was a kid but has become nothing more than a Green-Left propaganda mouthpiece. It also seems to go out of its way to push the most critical viewpoint of Australia.

The Project is a great fit for the ABC come to think of it.

Without "green left propaganda" we would be Puerto Rico catching toilet rolls.......a bit like we are heading now

11 minutes ago, ding said:

The ABC deserves to be gutted as it is the only one who has a charter to provide balance, but stubbornly refuses to do so. It used to be a great media outlet back when i was a kid but has become nothing more than a Green-Left propaganda mouthpiece. It also seems to go out of its way to push the most critical viewpoint of Australia.

The Project is a great fit for the ABC come to think of it.

There's no "dislike" but so I just had to settle with the laughing emoji instead.

Agree to disagree I guess.

9 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

It always amazes me listing to Sky News commentators endlessly bleating on about the neutrality of the ABC (or lack there of in their eyes), yet Sky News doesn't even pretend to be a fair and neutral presenter of news.  Listening to guys like Paul Murray, Andrew Bolt, Mark Latham etc endlessly bleating on about bloody lefties etc.

I think it speaks volumes to their lack of intellect. 

As a paying customer of theirs, I'd really like to remove Sky News from my Foxtel subscription and redirect those funds to a genuine news service like the ABC, perhaps I should write them a letter - would be interesting to see their response.

genuine news service like the ABC

If you really believe that then then you are addicted to fake news  hahahahahaha unbeliveable !!!

all news services push barrows mate all of them.

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

As a maturing nation and society, you'd think that beliefs leaning towards right wing - as with left wing beliefs - would be tolerated, just because these are the opinions of the thinking man. Centralist considerations would be applicable here, too, if matters were to prove to be wrong and harmful to others.

The rights to challenge points of view are gratefully more prevalent now, as well; this is another sign of a maturing society. Does this assist to create a more unitarian environment?

What is not so pleasing is the growth in unreasonable alienation and intolerance for beliefs alone - whether these be political, social, cultural, sexual, racial, et al and infinitum. The passion with which those extolling intolerance, prejudice, overt criticism and/or distaste on such matters is merely a stage of their own innate ignorance of which many are exceedingly proud and retentive.

It is not a blast from the past, it is perhaps a shallow depth of perception. I struggle, as well, with some issues where my overt rejection is highly questionable; for example: most things to do with The Filth Football Club and the state of footy umpiring to advantage, these days. Hence, I await illumination on positives for these latter two elements of my own prejudices and perhaps many more of which I am not aware. 

People will have different perspectives on all things in life What must be upheld is their right to so do. We live in a conundrum.

A thesis at Uni? nah, 'people' are led by the loudest voice, if they allow themselves to be

Americanisation, I live in a block of apartments, not a conundrum

11 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

It always amazes me listing to Sky News commentators endlessly bleating on about the neutrality of the ABC (or lack there of in their eyes), yet Sky News doesn't even pretend to be a fair and neutral presenter of news.  Listening to guys like Paul Murray, Andrew Bolt, Mark Latham etc endlessly bleating on about bloody lefties etc.

I think it speaks volumes to their lack of intellect. 

As a paying customer of theirs, I'd really like to remove Sky News from my Foxtel subscription and redirect those funds to a genuine news service like the ABC, perhaps I should write them a letter - would be interesting to see their response.

Unsubscribe Balls. Getting rid of Foxtel once Kayo was available was a great move. Saving almost $100 a month too.

I know Kayo funds go to NewsCorp but at least it's only $15 a month (once I split a subscription with my dad and sister) instead of $120.

16 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

If you don't watch the program, how do you know he is like that?

Or just going with the flow again?

Waleed has been in the media a long time, has worked for the ABC as well

On your bike Sunshine 

Ye who hates Demmonland and MCC Members

Why are you here....? It must be painfull 

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Sir Why You Little

14 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

"Today a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration; that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Waleed with an opinionated rant."

The Great “Bill”

15 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Without "green left propaganda" we would be Puerto Rico catching toilet rolls.......a bit like we are heading now

So very true. Once the ABC goes, and i fear it will down the track, it will be greatly missed. But by then it’s too late. 

Brazil does come to mind. Or Trump’s National Guard Robots.....

27 minutes ago, ding said:

The ABC deserves to be gutted as it is the only one who has a charter to provide balance, but stubbornly refuses to do so. It used to be a great media outlet back when i was a kid but has become nothing more than a Green-Left propaganda mouthpiece. It also seems to go out of its way to push the most critical viewpoint of Australia.

The Project is a great fit for the ABC come to think of it.

My Creator.   How blind can one be,  cannot even see how you have changed along with the wish for money.  since childhood.   Just like addicted druggies, loyal to the drug.  Love no less.

 

As they say, love IS blind.

16 minutes ago, Kent said:

genuine news service like the ABC

If you really believe that then then you are addicted to fake news  hahahahahaha unbeliveable !!!

all news services push barrows mate all of them.

Just as an aside, the ABC is more than just a news service. Whether its budget is sufficient or not, I have no idea, but I sometimes wonder about the costs of running multiple digital radio channels and whether anyone is actually listening to them. In other words, maybe (and maybe not) budget savings are possible without negtaively impacting its news service.

While this thread has gone off the main topic (which I definitely contributed to), it does make the whole Lumumba story somewhat intriguing.

You've got someone (Lumumba) raising serious racism concerns in one of our country's most recognisable brands (the AFL, and in particular the Collingwood Football Club), at a time when racism worldwide is a major headline.  Then we've got a TV program (which is meant to be a current affairs program), that traditionally are happy to investigate "popular" issues, willing to shelve (or somewhat dismiss) these accusations?  Why?  Have they dug deep and found nothing?  Are they too worried about their own individual reputations and employment prospects if they dig too deep?

Now we learn that Collingwood, on arguably one of the biggest football stages in the history of the game, giving a public show of support for the #BLM movement.  While it's reported to be player driven, they still have the same coach and president that were in charge when HL made these allegations, the president in particular having prior offences on the very topic.

It just doesn't make sense to me.  Part of me hopes that this has been investigated and there's a "nothing to see here" outcome.  On the other hand, if something has happened to HL and it's being easily dismissed, especially by programs like The Project, then what hope do we have moving forward of stamping this thing out of mainstream society?