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Mike Sheahan just said on SEN, Todd Viney is leaving Demons

Right at the End from about 34:48

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Well, we wanted to see some change.  The club is certainly meeting us halfway.

I'm happy with all these changes IF we are smart enough to hire the right replacements.  With his experience in the industry, I think Richo is a step in the right direction.  I'm very keen to see where we go from here.

 

If true, it is a very good move by the club. 

Have often said on here that he is part of the problem for a variety of reasons:

  • Has been here since the Bailey days, for 186, for the supposed 'tanking', for the Neeld era. 
  • Not holding him responsible for all that but he is an entrenched part of that culture covering one of the worst decades in our history.
  • imv he has a conflict of interest with his son playing at the Club.

The club is now free to make list management, captaincy and match selection decisions about son Jack, if it ever felt it appropriate.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true, it is a very good move by the club. 

Have often said on here that he is part of the problem for a variety of reasons:

  • Has been here since the Bailey days, for 186, for the supposed 'tanking', for the Neeld era. 
  • Not holding him responsible for all that but he is an entrenched part of that culture covering one of the worst decades in our history.
  • imv he has a conflict of interest with his son playing at the Club.

 

 

While I don't necessarily agree with the last dot point, I agree thoroughly that it was time for him and others to move on.  Rawlings has been here long term, and McCartney had been with us for 5 years as well.

I think the club as a whole needs some fresh faces and I'm all for the changes that are happening.  We need to make the right choice with replacements, but I think this is a terrific start.

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

While I don't necessarily agree with the last dot point, I agree thoroughly that it was time for him and others to move on.  Rawlings has been here long term, and McCartney had been with us for 5 years as well.

I think the club as a whole needs some fresh faces and I'm all for the changes that are happening.  We need to make the right choice with replacements, but I think this is a terrific start.

You deleted from my post the last line which explained the point you disagree with - that Todd has a conflict of interest with Jack at the club...weird to delete it...

 
7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

You deleted from my post the last line which explained the point you disagree with - that Todd has a conflict of interest with Jack at the club...weird to delete it...

Sorry, I don't know why that happened.  I didn't actually mean to do that.

My point is that I don't think Jack has been given special treatement, and nor do I believe we make decisions based on the fact Todd is at the club.  There has been no proof of there being a conflict of interest.  When Jack was made a co-captain, I believe most at the time would have been very happy with that decision.  He hasn't set the world on fire during his time in the role, but there have been little else to choose from previously.


20 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true, it is a very good move by the club. 

Have often said on here that he is part of the problem for a variety of reasons:

  • Has been here since the Bailey days, for 186, for the supposed 'tanking', for the Neeld era. 
  • Not holding him responsible for all that but he is an entrenched part of that culture covering one of the worst decades in our history.
  • imv he has a conflict of interest with his son playing at the Club.

The club is now free to make list management, captaincy and match selection decisions about son Jack, if it ever felt it appropriate.

The holy trinity being split up. If this was part of Mahoney's review then it's a great sign IMO.

14 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Sorry, I don't know why that happened.  I didn't actually mean to do that.

My point is that I don't think Jack has been given special treatement, and nor do I believe we make decisions based on the fact Todd is at the club.  There has been no proof of there being a conflict of interest.  When Jack was made a co-captain, I believe 1)most at the time would have been very happy with that decision.  He hasn't set the world on fire during his time in the role, but 2)there have been little else to choose from previously.

1)Don't think so. 

2) Various other options for captaincy.  The most obvious being to leave Jones as sole captain.  And Max says 'hello'.

Back to conflict of interest:  As List Manager Todd would be in control of any trade options.  He sits on the weekly match selection committee.  And involved in captaincy decisions. 

Therefore, he has significant and direct management over his son's career.  imv that is a significant conflict of interest and his influence would restrict the club's options on Jack's career, if such circumstances arose.

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1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

The holy trinity being split up. If this was part of Mahoney's review then it's a great sign IMO.

Todd going (if true) confirms to me that Pert is calling the shots; Mahoney is the conduit and public mouthpiece. 

No sacred cows, anymore. 

29 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Will you seek to replace your winder? I can recommend a good repairer.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Todd going (if true) confirms to me that Pert is calling the shots; Mahoney is the conduit and public mouthpiece. 

No sacred cows, anymore. 

That's a good point. Pert has apparently stepped up very much since late in the season. I still think it's a good sign IF Mahoney has been part of it, as to me it would say he's got his priorities right and I would have a lot more trust in his review.

Thanks for your service Todd. You have been part of taking us from a basket case to a club capable of on-field success

Loves the club, his house is often littered with young demons looking for a feed

I agree it is good timing to part

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

1)Don't think so. 

2) Various other options for captaincy.  The most obvious being to leave Jones as sole captain.

Back to conflict of interest:  As List Manager Todd would be in control of any trade optins.  He sits on the weekly match selection committee.  And involved in captaincy decisions. 

Therefore, he has significant and direct management over his son's career.  imv that is a significant conflict of interest and his influence would restrict the club's options on Jack's career, if such circumstances arose.

you would have preferred Jones as sole captain this year?  wow

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

1)Don't think so. 

2) Various other options for captaincy.  The most obvious being to leave Jones as sole captain.

Back to conflict of interest:  As List Manager Todd would be in control of any trade optins.  He sits on the weekly match selection committee.  And involved in captaincy decisions. 

Therefore, he has significant and direct management over his son's career.  imv that is a significant conflict of interest and his influence would restrict the club's options on Jack's career, if such circumstances arose.

There has been no indication that it ever was a conflict of interest.  You would like to think that Todd is professional enough to not allow that to happen.  I'd wager that, if it did, then Peter Jackson would have stepped in to remove him from the role a long time ago.

Either way, we will agree to disagree on that point.  One thing we do agree on is that it's a positive move for the club.  Todd has been there long enough.  Time for some fresh faces.

11 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

1)Don't think so. 

2) Various other options for captaincy.  The most obvious being to leave Jones as sole captain.  And Max says 'hello'.

Back to conflict of interest:  As List Manager Todd would be in control of any trade options.  He sits on the weekly match selection committee.  And involved in captaincy decisions. 

Therefore, he has significant and direct management over his son's career.  imv that is a significant conflict of interest and his influence would restrict the club's options on Jack's career, if such circumstances arose.

Yet where he could have used his conflict of interest, re Ollie Wines, his son's mate, we didn't and totally wasted pick 4. A disaster that still costs us.


9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

you would have preferred Jones as sole captain this year?  wow

I didn't say that.  I said we had options and Jones could have been sole cap in 2017 when Jack became co-cap.  

That would give others time to develop and to find a successor to Jones.  Max was a candidate in 2017 and definitely in 2018 or 2019.  So no, I'm not saying Jones should be sole cap this year.

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6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There has been no indication that it ever was a conflict of interest.  You would like to think that Todd is professional enough to not allow that to happen.  I'd wager that, if it did, then Peter Jackson would have stepped in to remove him from the role a long time ago.

Either way, we will agree to disagree on that point.  One thing we do agree on is that it's a positive move for the club.  Todd has been there long enough.  Time for some fresh faces.

I wonder how players and their managers see the changes and whether it puts them off or encourages them to stay/join us.

Just now, Redleg said:

I wonder how players and their managers see the changes and whether it puts them off or encourages them to stay/join us.

I'd be interested in that, too.  I think with Goodwin, Mahoney and Pert still there, that is a good nucleus to present to players.  They could also put forward that, as a club, 2019 was totally unacceptable and we knew that changes needed to be made.  We need changes both on and off the field, and we are doing that.

Then again, I could be talking out of my back pocket as I have no real idea what goes on behind closed doors.  I know McCartney was offered a deal to stay but wanted to move on to new things, but the others might have been a mutual thing to help refresh the club as a whole.

 

If true this saddens me. If only because he has been a positive force and now he will get potted unmercifully on DL as are most who dont go out in a box.

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't say that.  I said Jones could have been sole cap in 2017 when Jack became co-cap.  

That would give others time to develop and to find a successor to Jones.  Max was a candidate in 2017 and definitely in 2018 or 2019.  So no, I'm not saying Jones should be sole cap this year.

righto

Viney won the BnF in 2016 and deserving of co-captaincy in 2017 imo.  unfortunately he's had couple of years of injuries and no preseason.  he put a full year together finally this year (although didnt play great footy) and with a preseason we will see our inspirational leader back next year. 

Max would not be the player he is today if he was weighed down by captaincy in 2017/2018 imo


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