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GWS Surplus

Mach5
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With the talk of us trying to “split” our first pick, most probably with GWS, if current picks 11 & 13 are not sufficient, for the purposes of this thread we’ll operate on the premise that a GWS player that is deemed to be surplus to requirements would be included. This thread is for appraising those (realistic) options.

To my understanding they would come from a list of:

Xavier O’Halloran, Jye Caldwell, Aiden Bonar, Zach Langdon (brother of Ed), Kieran Briggs, Isaac Cumming, Brent Daniels, Jeremy Finlayson, Jackson Hately, Ian Hill, Connor Idun, Harry Perryman, Jack Buckley, Zach Sproule, Nick Shipley...

Thoughts?

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    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I originally heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    Edited by AshleyH30

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    Thought this thread was about Carlton for a second

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    It won't be Bobby Hill. Zac Langdon is not Ed's brother either.

    Would only really want Hately, Caldwell, Bonar or Finlayson of that list. Maybe Langdon or Dnaiels.

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    3 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

    It won't be Bobby Hill. Zac Langdon is not Ed's brother either.

    Would only really want Hately, Caldwell, Bonar or Finlayson of that list. Maybe Langdon or Dnaiels.

    Is he not? I’ve been told that he is.

    Cant remember who though & I was surprised there wasn’t more talk of trying to re-unite them. Thanks for the correction.

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    18 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    now that I like 

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    10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

    Is he not? I’ve been told that he is.

    Well, not biologically anyway.  There's only 4 months age difference between the two.  Ed's brother is of the Collingwood variety -Tom.

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    19 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    If they would throw all that in then pick 3 is theirs.

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    1 minute ago, markc said:

    now that I like 

    The only reason I find it plausible is because of GWS's Cap squeeze.

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    16 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    We'd have to offer way too much to get GWS an end of first for Tomlinson, to get that sort of pick he'd have to be in the top 30% earners of all players aged over 25 - which I doubt he'll be in that area. He might net a 2nd round pick, which is likely to be mid 30s. GWS won't trade that anyway because they'll need points to get Green. A player will be involved.

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    2 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

    We'd have to offer way too much to get GWS an end of first for Tomlinson, to get that sort of pick he'd have to be in the top 30% earners of all players aged over 25 - which I doubt he'll be in that area. He might net a 2nd round pick, which is likely to be mid 30s. GWS won't trade that anyway because they'll need points to get Green. A player will be involved.

    At first I thought it was pie in the sky, but then I thought about their Cap squeeze after recent re-signings. They want pick 3 to prevent anyone bidding on Green, so I don't understand where you're coming from?

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    24 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    How is can you not remember where you heard such  specific scenario? 

    (not having a shot by the way)

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    3 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

    We'd have to offer way too much to get GWS an end of first for Tomlinson, to get that sort of pick he'd have to be in the top 30% earners of all players aged over 25 - which I doubt he'll be in that area. He might net a 2nd round pick, which is likely to be mid 30s. GWS won't trade that anyway because they'll need points to get Green. A player will be involved.

     

    4 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

    We'd have to offer way too much to get GWS an end of first for Tomlinson, to get that sort of pick he'd have to be in the top 30% earners of all players aged over 25 - which I doubt he'll be in that area. He might net a 2nd round pick, which is likely to be mid 30s. GWS won't trade that anyway because they'll need points to get Green. A player will be involved.

    Is it possible that he is in the top 30% considering saints went hard at him last year? Not out of the question

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    Just now, binman said:

    How is can you not remember where you heard such  specific scenario? 

    (not having a shot by the way)

    More so, I can't remember where I originally heard it, but its appeared/been told to me a few times now. Probably poor choice of language on my part.

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    27 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

    Xavier O’Halloran, Jye Caldwell, Aiden Bonar, Zach Langdon (brother of Ed), Kieran Briggs, Isaac Cumming, Brent Daniels, Jeremy Finlayson, Jackson Hately, Ian Hill, Connor Idun, Harry Perryman, Jack Buckley, Zach Sproule, Nick Shipley...

    Thoughts?

    Not sure where you got those names from? But Briggs is a ruckman and GWS certainly will not be getting rid of any ruckman, also Buckley was a cat B rookie, so they can sit him outside the salary cap for another year. They'll be trying to free up some cap space to keep Whitfield and Cameron next year so that could mean there happy for one of the young guys to go now (O'Hallroan, Caldwell, Hill,  Idun or Hartley) before they need pay increases in their 3rd year but most likely they'll try and shop Bonar, Cumming, Langdon or Perryman to get their salaries off the books going into next year. 

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    5 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    At first I thought it was pie in the sky, but then I thought about their Cap squeeze after recent re-signings. They want pick 3 to prevent anyone bidding on Green, so I don't understand where you're coming from?

    Yeah they'll want pick 3, but they'll still needs later picks, so they have enough points to pay for Green. Say he gets bid on at pick 5, they'll need 1502 points (they get a 20% discount on what the pick is normally worth). Whereas at the moment they only have pick 49 (likely to be pushed to mid 50s after PP and academy bidding) which is only worth 287 points. For them to get Green they'd have to either get more picks in or go into deficit for next year - it's the equivalent of pick 13. So they'll be trying to bundle up the pick they get for Tomilinson, lets assume a 2nd rounder, plus picks they might get for other players so they can 'pay' for Green. 

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    9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    I'm on a Bonar.

    Can I ask why? I’ve just watched his highlights package and I’m not sure what you are seeing that I am not. Not having a go. Just would be interested in seeing the highlights reel that shows him being good or worthy of packaging up with the deal

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    Just now, Red and Blue realist said:

    Yeah they'll want pick 3, but they'll still needs later picks, so they have enough points to pay for Green. Say he gets bid on at pick 5, they'll need 1502 points (they get a 20% discount on what the pick is normally worth). Whereas at the moment they only have pick 49 (likely to be pushed to mid 50s after PP and academy bidding) which is only worth 287 points. For them to get Green they'd have to either get more picks in or go into deficit for next year - it's the equivalent of pick 13. So they'll be trying to bundle up the pick they get for Tomilinson, lets assume a 2nd rounder, plus picks they might get for other players so they can 'pay' for Green. 

    If they get pick 3, they'll use it on Green. They're not waiting for Adelaide to bid on him with Pick 4. It's the sole reason they want our pick. They don't want it so they can recruit Ash or Young.

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    36 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I originally heard it, but it does sound plausible.

    Very little chance GWS would receive end of first round compo for Tomlinson. Be doing well to get end of second round for him.

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    9 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

     

    Is it possible that he is in the top 30% considering saints went hard at him last year? Not out of the question

    Highly doubt it and his current contract was signed back before the 2017 season so is not likely to be massive. He hadn't played a full season up until then. The future contract also is what the compo is based on and I can't see him being in the top 3 or 4 paid at our club if he comes to us. 

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    1 minute ago, AshleyH30 said:

    If they get pick 3, they'll use it on Green. They're not waiting for Adelaide to bid on him with Pick 4. It's the sole reason they want our pick. They don't want it so they can recruit Ash or Young.

    That's not why they want pick 3, they want it so they don't lose their first round picks (which they would if they got an early bid). They want a player at pick 3 and Green, otherwise they wouldn't bother trading.

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