On 20/08/2019 at 05:08, old dee said:

Yes but they are not about to sack him when he has three years of a contract to go. Mahoney would have been part of the group that gave him a three year extension in February. Always thought that was looney tunes. If they sack him now I want everyone involved in extending the contract to follow him out the door. 

That could only happen if there is AFL intervention old dee.  Which probably isn't on the radar right now but I wouldn't rule it out in the future. 

Could Bartlett and/or Pert sack Goodwin so soon after giving him a 3 year extention?  Apart from anything else a termination of Goodwin's contract would reflect badly on them.  But McLardy & Schwab wouldn't move on Neeld and we know what happened then.

Let's face it,  there is a good chance that Goodwin may have been moved on already given the current climate but the 3 year extention is the bug-bear. 

But for how long?  I'm warming to the idea that we might figure out an exit clause for Goodwin.  There are ways and means if a decision 'has' to be made. 

What is the difference between 2.5 years & 3 years if half-way through next year is the tipping point moment?   It's still a hefty payout whichever way you look at it.

I wouldn't move on him right now but that's just me and I don't make any decisions either.  The club on the other hand might have different ideas.

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:25, Macca said:

That could only happen if there is AFL intervention old dee.  Which probably isn't on the radar right now but I wouldn't rule it out in the future. 

Could Bartlett and/or Pert sack Goodwin so soon after giving him a 3 year extention?  Apart from anything else a termination of Goodwin's contract would reflect badly on them.  But McLardy & Schwab wouldn't move on Neeld and we know what happened then.

Let's face it,  there is a good chance that Goodwin may have been moved on already given the current climate but the 3 year extention is the bug-bear. 

But for how long?  I'm warming to the idea that we might figure out an exit clause for Goodwin.  There are ways and means if a decision 'has' to be made. 

What is the difference between 2.5 years & 3 years if half-way through next year is the tipping point moment?   It's still a hefty payout whichever way you look at it.

I wouldn't move on him right now but that's just me and I don't make any decisions either.  The club on the other hand might have different ideas.

I don't think there is a snowflake in hell chance he will be sacked this year Macca. The cost would be too high. The only possible way he would leave is if the crowd sacked their coach and wanted him to coach them in 2020. What are the chances of that happening? Next to none I would think.

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:32, old dee said:

I don't think there is a snowflake in hell chance he will be sacked this year Macca. The cost would be too high. The only possible way he would leave is if the crowd sacked their coach and wanted him to coach them in 2020. What are the chances of that happening? Next to none I would think.

I agree (kinda, sorta)

But if it is a contract issue then why would half way through next year be the tipping point?  It would still be a very hefty payout if all the money is guaranteed

If it is purely about the money then he gets until the end of 2021.  But the club could lose a stack of revenue in that time-frame if we remain at the bottom of the ladder. 

Unless we improve,  the bottom line is that there will be a downturn in revenue or a hefty payout.  Or both.

It's why many are calling for his sacking now.  And I can't blame them because it's a logical solution. 

I don't like guaranteed contracts for the above reasoning.  There should always be KPI's attached as there are with most businesses.

Maybe for a coach like Roos it's different but Roos was not a rookie.

  On 20/08/2019 at 04:17, Lord Nev said:

From what I have heard (not trying to pass it off as gospel), Goodwin, Viney and Mahoney are a bit of a boys club

So if the major identities in a football department are united, like one another and agree on strategy that's a good thing, isn't it?

Or is it a boys' club?

Seriously, what do we want? Everyone pulling in the same direction I think. Unanimity of purpose and all that. Or no thanks, some on the outside might think we are a boys' club.

FMD

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by pitmaster

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:25, Macca said:

That could only happen if there is AFL intervention old dee.  Which probably isn't on the radar right now but I wouldn't rule it out in the future. 

Could Bartlett and/or Pert sack Goodwin so soon after giving him a 3 year extention?  Apart from anything else a termination of Goodwin's contract would reflect badly on them.  But McLardy & Schwab wouldn't move on Neeld and we know what happened then.

Let's face it,  there is a good chance that Goodwin may have been moved on already given the current climate but the 3 year extention is the bug-bear. 

But for how long?  I'm warming to the idea that we might figure out an exit clause for Goodwin.  There are ways and means if a decision 'has' to be made. 

What is the difference between 2.5 years & 3 years if half-way through next year is the tipping point moment?   It's still a hefty payout whichever way you look at it.

I wouldn't move on him right now but that's just me and I don't make any decisions either.  The club on the other hand might have different ideas.

Remind me not to go to the trenches with you.

Lyon speaks really well. And he's got a good footy brain, I think.

I"d have him in a heartbeat... but that might not be a popular view!

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:52, pitmaster said:

So if the major identities in a football department are united, like one another and agree on strategy that's a good thing, isn't it?

Or is it a boys' club?

Seriously, what do we want? Everyone pulling in the same direction I think. Unanimity of purpose and all that. Or no thanks, some on the outside might think we are a boys' club.

FMD

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to work out the different between being holistically unified and having divisions and cliques (as described by a player parent), despite your "FMD" exclamations.

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by Lord Nev

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:54, pitmaster said:

 

You obviously didn't read my post properly

Things happen beyond our control.  As individuals,  we can't change much at all

So if the jungle drums are beating,  so be it.  You think you can change that thinking?

4 coaches have been sacked this season and I'm on record as not necessarily wanting Gpodwin to be sacked.

It's my belief that we have a raft of issues.  Player personnel,  game plan,  list structure,  disposal issues,  coaching,  pace,  motivation & will to win and various other problems.  We're 5 & 16 for a reason.

So how is that a problem for you?  What on earth are you witnessing?  Something different? 

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by Macca

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:18, TGR said:

Fact is that Goodwin is doubting himself big-time.  He is looking in the mirror every day and asking 'what can I do?'.

 

It would only be a fact if Goodwin told you directly, otherwise it is only your opinion and that is a fact.

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:16, drysdale demon said:

It would only be a fact if Goodwin told you directly, otherwise it is only your opinion and that is a fact.

OK.

Probably 99% likely.

But if you want to the record set straight, let's do it librarian.

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:18, TGR said:

OK.

Probably 99% likely.

But if you want to the record set straight, let's do it librarian.

I reckon your percentage is off by 99%

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:12, Macca said:

You obviously didn't read my post properly

Let me explain (again) ... things happen beyond our control.  As individuals,  we can't change much at all

So if the jungle drums are beating,  so be it.  You think you can change that thinking?

4 coaches have been sacked this season and i'm on record as not necessarily wanting Gpodwin to be sacked

So how is that a problem for you?

 

Oh I dunno. Guess I just try to avoid panic merchants.

As you almost admit yourself, you are way too early in canvassing this stuff. Goodwin had his team in a prelim 12 months ago and also had a two year win-loss then of 28:19 at the end of the finals series.

 You either have no real idea of how such decisions are made or you are speculating so you can say "I tipped this!' like old Mike Williamson. 

We've all heard the reasons/excuses for this year's rotten performance, and I was as disappointed as anyone at last week's gutless showing, but hold yourself together another 12 months. Or on other hand, panic. Your choice.

 

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:10, Lord Nev said:

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to work out the different between being holistically unified and having divisions and cliques (as described by a player parent), despite your "FMD" exclamations.

One player parent...that's the problem right there.

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:22, drysdale demon said:

I reckon your percentage is off by 99%

Told you did he?

Hefty payout by Freo. Lyon was contracted for a further 2 seasons. They'll be hoping he moves elsewhere on decent coin, which may off set this

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:33, pitmaster said:

I was as disappointed as anyone at last week's gutless showing,

That's a big call. 

And you say the players were gutless last Friday night? I wouldn't be saying that.

I reckon it was more a case of a poor game plan coupled with a dysfuntional forward line.  Amongst other 'coach-related' issues.

And we definitely have some problems with player personnel and at least 10 will probably be moved on.  As well as a raft of assistants.

The sign of a good coach is how he goes when the heat is applied.  It's a tough gig.  Well paid though.  Goodwin stays on but if we have another poor season like this season then he'll be let go.  That's how it works.

So the microscope is on all and sundry after such a disappointing season.  Coach included.

Edited August 20, 20195 yr by Macca

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:39, The Stigga said:

Told you did he?

"I reckon" indicates that it's his view.

"Fact is..." indicates that it's a fact, which it clearly wasn't.

  On 20/08/2019 at 06:35, pitmaster said:

One player parent...that's the problem right there.

Ok mate, what would a player parent (who has a very MFC family) know about the culture inside the walls hey? You and I are probably more informed... FMD.

  On 20/08/2019 at 05:32, old dee said:

I don't think there is a snowflake in hell chance he will be sacked this year Macca. The cost would be too high. The only possible way he would leave is if the crowd sacked their coach and wanted him to coach them in 2020. What are the chances of that happening? Next to none I would think.

Just insane for the board to give him 3 years

The board should be ashamed

Is there a non contracted Head Coach that isn't afraid of the AFL.........or do we have one?

Twig has been listed by Fox Footy as someone who may be considered to replace Lyon. Would be a huge loss to us, but not a surprise given his reputation as a quality coach and the way we (potentially) shafted him a bit this year.

JADE RAWLINGS

It’s been just over 10 years since Rawlings famously took the Richmond caretaker coach reins and racked up three wins and a draw from his 11 games.

After Damien Hardwick got the full-time gig, Rawlings moved to Brisbane for two seasons then Melbourne in 2012 — the club he’s been at for the past seven years.

As part of the Demons’ unprecedented mid-season coaching restructure, Rawlings was been promoted from Casey Demons VFL coach into Melbourne’s senior set-up to oversee the forward line. Rawlings was named the VFL coach of the year in 2018 after leading Casey into the grand final.

Ten years after getting a taste of senior coaching experience, Rawlings might be ready to go again — and surely he would jump at the opportunity if it presents itself. Melbourne’s horror season could work against him though.

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  On 20/08/2019 at 06:10, Lord Nev said:

(as described by a player parent)

Yes, and they'd be a reliable, impartial source ...

  On 20/08/2019 at 07:33, bing181 said:

Yes, and they'd be a reliable, impartial source ...

Yes, and Demonlanders would know more about how the players are feeling than their parents...

  On 20/08/2019 at 07:35, Lord Nev said:

Yes, and Demonlanders would know more about how the players are feeling than their parents...

Tu Quoque

  On 20/08/2019 at 07:33, bing181 said:

Yes, and they'd be a reliable, impartial source ...

Probably  not impartial.  Why is impartiality a factor here ?

An informed source theyd be i suspect.