1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

Without knowing what the rationale for recruiting Tomlinson is I suspect that he is a solid citizen who can release other players to play in other positions.

May playing marking Wing/forward.

I suspect that we will be developing a number of forwards from within which should include OMac and Petty

 

That'd be fine if we have more star power, we don't.

21 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

That'd be fine if we have more star power, we don't.

and we aren't going to get a star on what we are offering him.  We are trying to fill gaps with the available cap we have, Langdon, Elliot and this bloke if we can walk away from trade week adding these three  and losing 1 draft pick to get it done it is a pretty successful week.

5 minutes ago, drdrake said:

and we aren't going to get a star on what we are offering him.  We are trying to fill gaps with the available cap we have, Langdon, Elliot and this bloke if we can walk away from trade week adding these three  and losing 1 draft pick to get it done it is a pretty successful week.

Yep mirrors my thoughts as well.

We get too caught up with analysis that we forget spots need to be filled and we need to be competitive. Once we establish ourselves as a successful team we can worry about the cream on top.

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by Unleash Hell

3 minutes ago, drdrake said:

and we aren't going to get a star on what we are offering him.  We are trying to fill gaps with the available cap we have, Langdon, Elliot and this bloke if we can walk away from trade week adding these three  and losing 1 draft pick to get it done it is a pretty successful week.

I'm happy with the other two, they fill a need.

The poster I responded to was talking about Tomlinson realising other players. Who is he going to realise? 

He is just a nothing player and while he might be a slight upgrade on some of our depth, he isn't going to help us become a better team.

22 hours ago, pitmaster said:

Go ahead and bag Goodwin all you like but to say he had no Plan B is total horse sh*t. If you took any notice this year - and you might be forgiven for ceasing to pay attention - you'd have seen that we changed our game style completely mid-season.The manic running, play on at all cost through the corridor (for which we did not have the skills to execute) was abandoned for a slower, more deliberative controlled play. If that is not a Plan B, what is?

sorry but I didn't see it......The only thing I saw was a coach who kept on playing unfit & injured players which was ultimately the clubs downfall.....I also saw a coach that didn't have the balls to drop the players that needed to be dropped & promote some enthusiasm & run with youth.

I will stand corrected Pitmaster but lets check in at round 10 next season.

4 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I'm happy with the other two, they fill a need.

The poster I responded to was talking about Tomlinson realising other players. Who is he going to realise? 

He is just a nothing player and while he might be a slight upgrade on some of our depth, he isn't going to help us become a better team.

I think he slots into our best 22 and offers something, as I mentioned though I reckon as a Mobile CHF rather than wing someone that can work up and back to link up or defensive to forward something we really struggled with this year.  

I believe that Tomlinson will improve our list as he is a capable AFL player coming on to a list that is massively lacking in talent and composure below the top 12-15 players.

I also believe that he is not a player worth acquiring at any cost. As we have seen from the Lever and May debacles, there is a significant inflationary impact from paying overs to underperforming senior players. If we see Tomlinson getting $600K a year for four years and failing to consistently finish top 10 in the B&F, I fully expect to see Oliver, Salem, Petracca, Harmes and Viney asking for significantly more over the next 12 - 24 months. 

Just now, drdrake said:

I think he slots into our best 22 and offers something, as I mentioned though I reckon as a Mobile CHF rather than wing someone that can work up and back to link up or defensive to forward something we really struggled with this year.  

So who are your talls in the forward line? Tom McDonald, Sam Weideman and Adam Tomlinson> Our forward pressure is already bad but that would be horrific. 

For any DL posters who started reading DL after we traded in Melk and Hibberd the threads about them prior to being traded in are well worth a read in the context of getting in Tomlinson, who don't have to give up any draft picks for.

Spoiler alert: some were dead against getting them and many people thought we gave up too high draft picks for them

22 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

So who are your talls in the forward line? Tom McDonald, Sam Weideman and Adam Tomlinson> Our forward pressure is already bad but that would be horrific. 

We play a 5 man forward line with a forward pushing into the midfield around the contest.  I'm suggesting we still play a 5 man forward line with a roving link up player rather than adding a player around the contest.  Someone to kick to that will work hard all day to present.

 

You have Weiderman and McDonald closer to goal with 3 players hopefully Elliot, Fritsch and Chandler( I put him is as I think he is the best small forward prospect we have on our list) buzzing around.  Petracca goes into a Midfield.  

5 minutes ago, binman said:

For any DL posters who started reading DL after we traded in Melk and Hibberd the threads about them prior to being traded in are well worth a read in the context of getting in Tomlinson, who don't have to give up any draft picks for.

Spoiler alert: some were dead against getting them and many people thought we gave up too high draft picks for them

Both of those trades have turned out to be a fair price.

I think the bigger issue, more so with Melksham, was that the cub didn't treat the lingering ASADA investigation seriously and were blind sided by the result. We also just gave Howe away for less than we paid for Melksham during the same trade period. 

I don't remember too much about people being unhappy with Hibberd, if they were I think it would have stemmed from giving up the pick for someone who was just suspended for a season.

6 minutes ago, drdrake said:

We play a 5 man forward line with a forward pushing into the midfield around the contest.  I'm suggesting we still play a 5 man forward line with a roving link up player rather than adding a player around the contest.  Someone to kick to that will work hard all day to present.

 

You have Weiderman and McDonald closer to goal with 3 players hopefully Elliot, Fritsch and Chandler( I put him is as I think he is the best small forward prospect we have on our list) buzzing around.  Petracca goes into a Midfield.  

So 4 players who apply minimal pressure and hoping for a rookie listed small forward to step up. We are in big trouble if that is our forward line.

While I understand everyone's feeling around our need to add more 'speed' to the side, and I'm included in that, we can't ignore the fact that we still need to improve our list in general.

Tomlinson is no world beater.  He is a good, solid foot soldier who can plug some gaps in the side.  To me, we need a player like that.  No, he isn't going to speed up and down the ground, but what he does is well is get to the right positions.  Even in the GF, it was good to see him deep in defence, then up on the wing etc, which shows that he is capable of running the ground well and getting to the right spots when needed.  He doesn't win a heap of the footy, he doesn't really have any special attributes and he isn't going to win us games off his own boot, but then he doesn't need to.  Not every player you have in the side can do this.  

I'm happy to get him as he can play in defence, be a link up player on the wing and even pinch hit forward or in the ruck.  His foot skills are generally solid, his height means that we can find mismatches around the ground and his stamina and professionalism mean he gets on the park each week and is highly respected by his peers.  There is always room at a football club for players like him.

While what he is paid will be up for debate, the fact we can sign him without giving up picks is a big tick and I think he'll be a positive player to bring into the club.

17 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

So 4 players who apply minimal pressure and hoping for a rookie listed small forward to step up. We are in big trouble if that is our forward line.

That's reality other options Spargo, ANB, Bedford, Wagner, JKH , Hannan, Hunt sorry I forgot Melksham he would come in for Chandler. 

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by drdrake

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Chandler( I put him is as I think he is the best small forward prospect we have on our list) buzzing around

Chandler won't make it....he may be the best of them on out list but that says more about the balance of our list than anything else...

9 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Both players are very similar based on this season which is a good comparison given the amount of games played. 

Tomlinson takes a few more marks but Frosty takes more contested and spoils significantly  more (closing speed), double the intercepts and double intercept marks.

The same number of clangers this season and, believe it or not, Tomlinson turns the ball over more often than Frosty.

Pressure acts and tackles Tomlinson has the edge.  He gets a bit more uncontested and marginaly more contested (on average) but need to keep that (and the rest) in context with the gap between the level both teams were playing at throughout the year.

Keeping in mind Tomlinson played in a team surrounded by No.1 / top draft picks and one that made a GF while Frosty played in a [censored] storm of a season.

https://m.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I293738,CD_I291819&comparisonTab=h2h

Both players are completely different. This post shows a complete lack of understanding on either the players or the modern game.

Tomlinson plays a defensive position on a wing and pinch hits in the ruck, while Frosty has proven he can only be hidden in one area of the ground (the back half) and plays exclusively as key defender. Comparing their stats is useless.

In what realm are these players remotely similar? Unless Jamie Elliott is similar to Max Gawn...

14 minutes ago, A F said:

Both players are completely different. This post shows a complete lack of understanding on either the players or the modern game.

Tomlinson plays a defensive position on a wing and pinch hits in the ruck, while Frosty has proven he can only be hidden in one area of the ground (the back half) and plays exclusively as key defender. Comparing their stats is useless.

In what realm are these players remotely similar? Unless Jamie Elliott is similar to Max Gawn...

I posted that comparison out of interest  as others (not me) were comparing the two on this thread AF.  All i was highlighting is statistically the two arent that dissimilar (especially  turnovers and clangers where some were saying Tomlinson is a better version/upgrade on Frosty) I understand Tomlinson is more of a swing man and occasionaly plays in the ruck vs Frosty is purely in a defensive role.

I also understand you don't rate Frosty at all.  All good. There are always going to be diverse opinions. Calm down and carry on son.   We aren't all as dopey as you would love to make out.

40 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I posted that comparison out of interest  as others (not me) were comparing the two on this thread AF.  All i was highlighting is statistically the two arent that dissimilar (especially  turnovers and clangers where some were saying Tomlinson is a better version/upgrade on Frosty) I understand Tomlinson is more of a swing man and occasionaly plays in the ruck vs Frosty is purely in a defensive role.

I also understand you don't rate Frosty at all.  All good. There are always going to be diverse opinions. Calm down and carry on son.   We aren't all as dopey as you would love to make out.

Fair enough. Just seems pretty useless to me to use stats as a measure of comparing both positions when neither necessarily need to be highly statistical. Unless you're counting repeated springs, blocking up holes in defence from the wing or shutting down your man. The KPIs for a defensive wing position would only be known internally and given he's played 3 straight seasons at an outfit like GWS, I'd say he's been doing a good job of it.

And for the record, I'm fine with Frost as back up depth. He's good depth actually, but the overrating going on in these parts of his abilities is hilarious. He's an exciting athlete that struggles when the ball is in his hands on a football field.

Sometimes you just have to reduce things down to tin tacks:

MFC List:

In: Tomlinson

Out JFK

Draft picks - nil

1 minute ago, Roger Mellie said:

Sometimes you just have to reduce things down to tin tacks:

MFC List:

In: Tomlinson

Out JFK

Draft picks - nil

is he going to the russians, cubans, or the cia?

1 minute ago, A F said:

Fair enough. Just seems pretty useless to me to use stats as a measure of comparing both positions when neither necessarily need to be highly statistical. Unless you're counting repeated springs, blocking up holes in defence from the wing or shutting down your man. The KPIs for a defensive wing position would only be known internally and given he's played 3 straight seasons at an outfit like GWS, I'd say he's been doing a good job of it.

And for the record, I'm fine with Frost as back up depth. He's good depth actually, but the overrating going on in these parts of his abilities is hilarious. He's an exciting athlete that struggles when the ball is in his hands on a football field.

Fair enough but i don't see you doing the same with those that are comparing the two qualitatively AF

40 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Fair enough but i don't see you doing the same with those that are comparing the two qualitatively AF

I haven't noticed anyone else doing it, but goodo.

I think a player we've really missed this season is Pederson. Didn't set the world on fire and not really a master of any position, but he helped plug gaps when needed and gave us some flexibility.

Tomlinson from what I've seen is similar. Can help in the ruck, can play down back, kicked 12.4 last season so apparently not a complete fish out of water up forward either.

194cm, 96kg, just turned 26. I don't really see the downside.

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by JTR
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10 minutes ago, A F said:

He's an exciting athlete that struggles when the ball is in his hands on a football field.

To a point but he isn't always limited....two critical involvements in the last 2 minutes helped in what was, for mine, our best win for the season...

 

On 9/29/2019 at 6:37 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Just an observation, anyone can have a whinge about something, it’s a different story altogether coming up with a solution. 

We need to fill spots on our list, Tomlinson is free and we can’t fill all the spots with draft picks. Not one poster who is unhappy with the (potential) recruiting of Tomlinson can offer an actual solution (keeping in mind he is free).

Note: He’s a hell of a lot cheaper than what Frost’s asking price is. 

A few examples AF seeing as you missed....