On 31/07/2019 at 12:06, Moonshadow said:

I thought I remember Mahoney claiming last year after the trading period that we had space for another big name this year?

Yep, and there's been a couple of articles during the year saying that too, maybe we already have other players lined up that will fill up some of that space?

  On 31/07/2019 at 11:22, John Demonic said:

So I don't think we necessarily have to move on Brayshaw to acquire Hill.

Yeah possibly. I would rather keep Gus if we can, I like him a lot, I'm not suggesting a trade because he's no good but because he has value and plays a role we seem to have lots of depth in. My thinking was more along the lines of trading Gus (inside mid) and our 2nd round pick for Langdon, Hill (outside mids) and a 3rd round pick. That way we also keep pick 2 (or whatever it ends up being) and we instantly change the dynamic of our midfield.

Oh no!!!

  On 31/07/2019 at 22:43, Matsuo Basho said:

Possibly the most deluded post I've ever read.

Hi all, I'm back.

Thankfully there is at least one person with a sane head at the MFC and we will be pursuing Brad Hill with vigor.

You just had a month off for baiting and sniping. Last public warning for you. Permanent ban next time for farting in the wrong direction.

  On 31/07/2019 at 23:09, Demonland said:

You just had a month off for baiting and sniping. Last public warning for you. Permanent ban next time for farting in the wrong direction.

Will try my best Boss. 

George on the Outer banned me a month ago I felt for no good cause. Did not even give me the courtesy to explain why it happened.

Side note: Freo play Geel (H), StK (A), Ess (H) and Port (A). They're no guarantee to win any of them.. depending on other results (including Melb vs Syd) they could still fall as far as 15th and really take the value out of a potential trade where we slide back in the first round. 

 

 

  On 31/07/2019 at 23:09, Demonland said:

You just had a month off for baiting and sniping. Last public warning for you. Permanent ban next time for farting in the wrong direction.

To be honest I think some of the other stuff/insults other people post are much worse.

Im in for Brad Hill, no use saying he costs to much when he is the exact player we have lacked for a long time. 

I am also in for young talent, we haven't acquired enough top end talent my opinion, so can we turn Pick 2 in to 2 picks inside the top 10?  i have no idea who might have multiple picks inside the top 10 but thats the way this might please everyone.

  On 31/07/2019 at 23:35, Superunknown said:

To be honest I think some of the other stuff/insults other people post are much worse.

Me thinks you might be new around these parts...

In cop speak MB has form. And lots of of it. An like many with form any number of aliases. 

The fact that his very first line after yet another suspension (it weren't me guvna, i've been fitted up) was 'Possibly the most deluded post I've ever read' should give a bit of insight into a poster who is a serial baiter. A master baiter if you will.

What's weird is i have him ignore and that first post bypassed it but thankfully is now back in place.

Can i take this opportunity to remind people of a previous health warning i read here:

Please do not quote MB, or if you must do so delete text. Research shows his posts can cause lasting cognitive damage.

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:01, Demon3 said:

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

“Just saw on Twitter” is a fairly broad statement. Who said it exactly? 

  On 31/07/2019 at 23:35, Superunknown said:

To be honest I think some of the other stuff/insults other people post are much worse.

Thank you. 

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:08, Matsuo Basho said:

“Just saw on Twitter” is a fairly broad statement. Who said it exactly? 

It is, Sorry, no one of any note, it was just a reply to a question from AFL trade account. Thought it seemed like a pretty logical deal.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:01, Demon3 said:

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

I think it depends where you value Hill. Just did the points equiv calculator and for that to be an even trade, Brad Hill is valued at pick 6. So 6+7 for 2+20. He might be worth that much to us, but he was traded for what, pick 23* sorry or so in 2016? Surely he is now around a pick 10-15? But given Noah Anderson is touted to be a superstar, you just can't do it. If GCS get PP and we end up with pick 3, then it might be worth doing. But you'd want another Freo pick coming back.

I reckon i'd still prefer the 2020 first round pick gamble. Back ourselves to move up the ladder and maybe ask for Freo's 2nd round pick in return to cushion against disaster. Personally if we're down the bottom of the ladder next year then i''m probably out, cant follow the club anymore, selfish as it is. So why not go the next years pick (for my benefit in the short term)

Edited August 1, 20195 yr by John Demonic

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:10, Demon3 said:

It is, Sorry, no one of any note, it was just a reply to a question from AFL trade account. Thought it seemed like a pretty logical deal.

All for pursuing Brad Hill but like Johnny Demonic that deal looks a bit unhealthy to me. I too would take the gamble of higher finish in 2020 and offer them our future first rounder with second rounder coming back our way. 

We’ve got bigger fish to fry with pick 2 which will end up being pick 3 after Suns PP1 allocation. (See my Ben Brown thread).

Edited August 1, 20195 yr by Matsuo Basho

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:01, Demon3 said:

Just saw on twitter that Pick 2 and Pick 20 - Freo

Hill & Pick 7 - Demons.

would deal.

Tempting.  Just remembering the Josh Kelly trade outcome so a little cautious.  

Pick 2 is Anderson or Rowell. Serious guns. 

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:11, John Demonic said:

I think it depends where you value Hill. Just did the points equiv calculator and for that to be an even trade, Brad Hill is valued at pick 6. So 6+7 for 2+20. He might be worth that much to us, but he was traded for what, pick 23* sorry or so in 2016? Surely he is now around a pick 10-15? But given Noah Anderson is touted to be a superstar, you just can't do it. If GCS get PP and we end up with pick 3, then it might be worth doing. But you'd want another Freo pick coming back.

I reckon i'd still prefer the 2020 first round pick gamble. Back ourselves to move up the ladder and maybe ask for Freo's 2nd round pick in return to cushion against disaster. Personally if we're down the bottom of the ladder next year then i''m probably out, cant follow the club anymore, selfish as it is. So why not go the next years pick (for my benefit)

Yep, thats a perfect summation and great discussions. Im no expert on points so its a good explanation. And i would happily give up a future first rounder.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:18, spirit of norm smith said:

Tempting.  Just remembering the Josh Kelly trade outcome so a little cautious.  

Pick 2 is Anderson or Rowell. Serious guns. 

Yeah you are spot on would love Anderson, so probably future first rounder for Hill,

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:19, Demon3 said:

Yep, thats a perfect summation and great discussions. Im no expert on points so its a good explanation. And i would happily give up a future first rounder.

Not an expert either, just googled the calculator:

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:18, Matsuo Basho said:

All for pursuing Brad Hill but like Johnny Demonic that deal looks a big unhealthy to me. I too would take the gamble of higher finish in 2020 and offer them our future first rounder with second rounder coming back our way. 

We’ve got bigger fish to fry with pick 2 which will end up being pick 3 after Suns PP1 allocation. (See my Ben Brown thread).

Yep, all good and valid points. My understanding is that Picks 1 7 @ are clear standouts, then its throw a blanket over the rest, if suns get PP1 (Which i doubt they will, but you seem very confident and have no reason not to believe you) then is Pick 3 different to Pick 7?

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:18, spirit of norm smith said:

Tempting.  Just remembering the Josh Kelly trade outcome so a little cautious.  

Pick 2 is Anderson or Rowell. Serious guns. 

SofNS you’re not accepting that Suns will be given PP1 by the AFL? You’re going to be disappointed. Lock it in.

Rowell and Anderson are off our radar unless we finish dead last. Still a possibility I guess!

Edited August 1, 20195 yr by Matsuo Basho

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:22, Demon3 said:

Yep, all good and valid points. My understanding is that Picks 1 7 @ are clear standouts, then its throw a blanket over the rest, if suns get PP1 (Which i doubt they will, but you seem very confident and have no reason not to believe you) then is Pick 3 different to Pick 7?

Well it is if a particular club has their eye on a certain kid right up the pointy end. Rowell and Anderson have caught all the hype but there’s a lot to play out there prior to the draft. 

Some great players have been drafted at pick 3 or 4. Buddy, Bontempelli, Judd etc etc

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:22, Demon3 said:

Yep, all good and valid points. My understanding is that Picks 1 7 @ are clear standouts, then its throw a blanket over the rest, if suns get PP1 (Which i doubt they will, but you seem very confident and have no reason not to believe you) then is Pick 3 different to Pick 7?

so who is available and looking like picks 3 to 7 if Anderson and Rowell are stand outs

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:28, Kent said:

so who is available and looking like picks 3 to 7 if Anderson and Rowell are stand outs

Im not really across who the kids are and where they stand in the order, but i only know that the top 2 are the standouts.

  On 01/08/2019 at 00:27, Matsuo Basho said:

Well it is if a particular club has their eye on a certain kid right up the pointy end. Rowell and Anderson have caught all the hype but there’s a lot to play out there prior to the draft. 

Some great players have been drafted at pick 3 or 4. Buddy, Bontempelli, Judd etc etc

Yeah of course, but they could all have gone at No 1, it seems to me this draft is a race in 2 then the rest, the Judd draft was super draft. Hop ether is a Bont or a Judd available at 3.