Crowd incident - Hawks Dees

[TRIGON 4,790]

3 hours ago, hemingway said:

We should have a drink one day at the footy DV8 to discuss the failure of the capitalist system to nurture a fair and just society and the insatiable greed that permeates the system.  Probably have to smuggle in my home brew so that we don't support one of the multi-national beer companies. 

Don't worry the revolution is coming.

Maybe sooner than we expect, as soon as mid May I could be living in the PRK...People’s Republic of Kooyong.

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

.There used to be a disabled person living in my street. Looked quite normal and liked to roam the neighbourhood. Was quite harmless but had a potty mouth and sometimes would say the most inappropriate things to strangers. Every now and then he would come home with a black eye, scratches or a bleeding nose. Obvious that he had been assaulted. His mother used to tell him off because she knew he went and said something stupid to a stranger. Wasn’t clued up enough to say exactly what happened.

Edited May 6, 2019 by america de cali

[leave it to deever 17,517]

3 hours ago, hemingway said:

alcohol but at the footy its normally just grog.

The old days of drinking from cans and long necks in the outer were bad. A

True but having to sell your first born on the internet to buy a round at the footy these days aint much to sing about either.

[TRIGON 4,790]

2 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

True but having to sell your first born on the internet to buy a round at the footy these days aint much to sing about either.

All the more reason not to knock a beer out of somebody’s hand. 

Yes, Baldy from Baxter will be held accountable for his actions. These 2 f’wits from Hawk TV should be banned too; courting trouble and then playing the victim card when it comes their way. Who needs them?

[Billy 2,544]

23 hours ago, brendan said:

No not kidding 

You’ve got to be better than that.

Even if the  Hawks supporter was carrying on like a peanut, look who’s getting in trouble & giving the MFC unwanted media coverage 

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,778]

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

"'I'm outraged''.  

''No, I'm outraged''.

''I'm more outraged than you''.

''No-one could be more outraged than me''.

''Yes I can, I win at outrage''.

''I'm outraged that you think you're more outraged than me''.

Outrageous post!

[BrisbaneDemon 1,572]

I was down for the game and I was amazed at the aggressive nature of a lot of blokes there.  I left level 3 just after half time and went to the bar in level 4, we started to turn things around so I stayed there as I thought I was bad luck.  There were hawks supporters behind me, yelling into our ears when they kicked a goal in the 4th as they could see us cheering on Melbourne.

i haven’t experienced tension like that watching a game before with Melbourne involved. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

It's @Ethan....he was first to support Baldy

I wouldn’t be caught dead with a bald head 

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

unprovoked

What annoys me is how the video was cut and the "unprovoked, disgusting act of violence" story spun by the media got run. There is absolutely two sides to the event yet the media just shaped it to how they saw it and what would get the most reaction. Very poor all round.

Where was they're  (CH7's) investigative journalism?  before the story? 

Seems we've done most of it for them...   more media  'demonisation'  of Males,  without fully investigating the facts...   placing all fault one way.

 

They don't care who they beat up on,  with their thrills TV...  they can destroy people with their ccrapp.

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, hemingway said:

How do we know that Baldy from Baxter is not a poster on this site hiding under a nom de plume.  

you mean Rick?

[Pennant St Dee 13,303]

8 hours ago, DubDee said:

ah yes know those spots.  I grew up in Artane.  Dad's family is still in summerhill and i take my life in my hands when i visit them!

i went back to work in Dublin in my 20's.  was tough to leave.  still miss the pubs/social scene and the humour but Melbourne is my fav city in the world. 

Used to drink in Summerhill at "The Hill" when I had Tech at Mountjoy Square or if I managed to get in early enough heading to Croke Park

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Jaded said:

The victim might be an asshat but violence is never ok. Be the bigger person and walk on. Or report him to ground staff if he’s behaving poorly. Don’t hit someone. 

Easy to say when someone has just attacked you ??? If someone swiped your face as you walked past and caught you unsuspecting, would you cower or would you be aggressive in responding ?

This might be the circumstances of what took place ? 

When I was a bullied kid I would have coward.

My older wiser self would be aggressive back.  call it PTSD,  or whatever you want,  but the past torments do weigh high on the agenda of everyone...  even Police with PTSD.

 

Not everyone is as inwardly calm,  and well centred,  as that ideology requires.

Edited May 6, 2019 by DV8

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

I have no issue with dry or family areas if that is what you are referring to.  I also agree they should be extended

but I just think i should be able to drink with my mates at the footy if i want to

I agree as well, with this, and the responsibility,  as in with Pubs,  rests with the Licensee.?  or in this case the AFL... surely.?

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Maybe sooner than we expect, as soon as mid May I could be living in the PRK...People’s Republic of Kooyong.

good luck, i hope you do TRGN.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Billy said:

You’ve got to be better than that.

Even if the  Hawks supporter was carrying on like a peanut, look who’s getting in trouble & giving the MFC unwanted media coverage 

Don't drag it down to bad publicity for Melbourne. 

A person could be in real trouble...  because some idiot likes to abuse opposition supporters,  and knock beers out of their hands.

[bing181 9,328]

5 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

What annoys me is how the video was cut and the "unprovoked, disgusting act of violence" story spun by the media got run. There is absolutely two sides to the event yet the media just shaped it to how they saw it and what would get the most reaction. Very poor all round.

If reports are true, the beer-snatching occurred after the Hawks supporter had been verbally abused by the Dees guy.

As others have commented, physically attacking someone is unacceptable, and assault is a crime. Equally, calling someone with a disability a r*tard is unacceptable - and is also covered under abuse/offensive language laws.

[brendan 3,437]

1 hour ago, Billy said:

You’ve got to be better than that.

Even if the  Hawks supporter was carrying on like a peanut, look who’s getting in trouble & giving the MFC unwanted media coverage 

Better than what? I said in my original post that I don’t condone violence and the hawks fan has been known to get lippy, both should be banned for the rest of the year 

[bing181 9,328]

Doesn't get much lower than this:

"Ploegmakers, who has a learning disability, told 7NEWS the 34-year-old offender called him a "[censored] and a [censored]"."

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,778]

8 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Doesn't get much lower than this:

"Ploegmakers, who has a learning disability, told 7NEWS the 34-year-old offender called him a "[censored] and a [censored]"."

Vastly different from the honorable code of silence players exhibit at the tribunal...

[TRIGON 4,790]

26 minutes ago, DV8 said:

good luck, i hope you do TRGN.

Got my old Russian border guard hat ready for the occasion. ‘Clean coal’ black with the big red Soviet badge at the front.

[Gator 17,449]

13 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Doesn't get much lower than this:

"Ploegmakers, who has a learning disability, told 7NEWS the 34-year-old offender called him a "[censored] and a [censored]"."

Hearsay.

You're taking his word as absolute.

I've seen enough of this peanut on various videos to not assume he's telling the truth.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

2 hours ago, pitmaster said:

Having listened to this foul mouthed fool, egged on by a smirking creep - the one holding the mike - I can only say that I would be deeply ashamed of myself if I was provoked into doing something that had me charged with assault by either of these two.

I have no doubt that in an earlier era Benny, the 'victim' of the affair, would have earned himself some corrective attention. He is an unfiltered vulgarian. But to get into strife on his account...dumb.

As much as Melbourne has to condemn what our bloke did, Hawthorn need to reign in this garbage . The guy with the mike encourages violence and anger and offers nothing useful. 

I am not familiar with the content of Hawks TV (heaven forbid!), but the interviewer is a disgrace. He actively seeks out this fan (it doesn't appear to be the first time, they seem very familiar with each other) to record a barrage of abuse of his own players and opposition fans at the ground with supporters walking past (possibly with young children). The interviewer is doing this young man a great disservice in encouraging his angst and foul language as a means of expressing himself. Is this supposed to be entertainment? It is uncomfortable viewing and somehow I feel the interviewer is not displaying sympathy for his condition, but exposing him to more mockery by putting him before the camera to put on this show. This young man needs to find some peace within himself, not get himself so worked up with anger and frustration that he finds it difficult to articulate his feelings without foul language and abuse. Hawks TV is guilty of exploitation of a naive young man who needs guidance and good advice, not to be egged on and encouraged to violence, as you said, pitmaster.

[pitmaster 3,577]

13 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

I am not familiar with the content of Hawks TV (heaven forbid!), but the interviewer is a disgrace. He actively seeks out this fan (it doesn't appear to be the first time, they seem very familiar with each other) to record a barrage of abuse of his own players and opposition fans at the ground with supporters walking past (possibly with young children). The interviewer is doing this young man a great disservice in encouraging his angst and foul language as a means of expressing himself. Is this supposed to be entertainment? It is uncomfortable viewing and somehow I feel the interviewer is not displaying sympathy for his condition, but exposing him to more mockery by putting him before the camera to put on this show. This young man needs to find some peace within himself, not get himself so worked up with anger and frustration that he finds it difficult to articulate his feelings without foul language and abuse. Hawks TV is guilty of exploitation of a naive young man who needs guidance and good advice, not to be egged on and encouraged to violence, as you said, pitmaster.

Correct. It's very exploitative of Benny. I suspect HawkFan TV is using B's disability as cover for having him say things others only dare think.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

5 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Correct. It's very exploitative of Benny. I suspect HawkFan TV is using B's disability as cover for having him say things others only dare think.

Yes, as I said before I think it is a disgrace. Hawks TV should be looked at by the AFL over this sort of thing. I gained the impression the interviewer was laughing AT Benny, not with him. He found it all highly amusing. Amusing it certainly was NOT.

[DV8 2,271]

3 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

Yes, as I said before I think it is a disgrace. Hawks TV should be looked at by the AFL over this sort of thing. I gained the impression the interviewer was laughing AT Benny, not with him. He found it all highly amusing. Amusing it certainly was NOT.

May be the AFL should be made aware of these video's,  on so called Hawk TV.