CHANGES: Rd 07 vs Hawthorn

[rjay 24,604]

12 hours ago, rjay said:

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In: Arya Stark

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[Deemania since 56 6,559]

13 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

By the time May comes back it will be round 17 then he plays a couple at Casey. We will be lucky 2 play 3-4 games a gr8 return. 

Did he ever get physically checked-out by our medical team, prior to recruitment? If not, absolutely irresponsible on our part. We need a reliable forward so that Tom McD can play back - or find another Danny Hughes. There must be one somewhere in the bush or provincial leagues?

[Earl Hood 6,057]

2 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Did he ever get physically checked-out by our medical team, prior to recruitment? If not, absolutely irresponsible on our part. We need a reliable forward so that Tom McD can play back - or find another Danny Hughes. There must be one somewhere in the bush or provincial leagues?

Another Anthony Ingerson would be even better! 

[Deemania since 56 6,559]

2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Another Anthony Ingerson would be even better! 

No query on that suggestion, Earl. 'Ingo' was phantastique every game - a real talent.

Edited April 30, 2019 by Deemania since 56

[Deemania since 56 6,559]

17 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

That’s not saying much. Run is fine but where to? I doubt even he knows most if the time. 

Truth is he’s been very ordinary along with everyone else back there except Salem.

A footy pal was talking about Frosty: If he looks to our seasoned eyes - as experienced spectators at MFC games - that he is running like a chook with its head cut off, as we interpret or take a guess on his progress and directional changes along the way before disposal of the ball, just imagine what guesswork must be applied by opposition players; they wouldn't have a clue!

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,647]

36 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

A footy pal was talking about Frosty: If he looks to our seasoned eyes - as experienced spectators at MFC games - that he is running like a chook with its head cut off, as we interpret or take a guess on his progress and directional changes along the way before disposal of the ball, just imagine what guesswork must be applied by opposition players; they wouldn't have a clue!

A bigger concern is whether our players have a clue as to what Frosty is doing. It would be hard to know where to position yourself if you don't know what the player with ball is going to do with it.

[Deemania since 56 6,559]

16 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A bigger concern is whether our players have a clue as to what Frosty is doing. It would be hard to know where to position yourself if you don't know what the player with ball is going to do with it.

Set routines - and several of these - are not hard to practice and achieve.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

29 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A bigger concern is whether our players have a clue as to what Frosty is doing. It would be hard to know where to position yourself if you don't know what the player with ball is going to do with it.

Correct. If shows how low our expectations of a defender have become that we accept rolling with guy like Frosty who, although quick and agile, has zero composure, fumbles and can’t hit the side of a barn door. 

EVERY player in your back six needs half decent skills, not just two or three of them. Fumbles and turnovers = goals against = losses.

[Redleg 40,207]

35 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A bigger concern is whether our players have a clue as to what Frosty is doing. It would be hard to know where to position yourself if you don't know what the player with ball is going to do with it.

You are meant to position yourself before your team mate passes it and in our case there is no one in position when he gets the ball.

Therefore he looks like a headless chook, trying to work out what he is going to do with it.

I think he has been one our few good players this season.

 

[Redleg 40,207]

5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Correct. If shows how low our expectations of a defender have become that we accept rolling with guy like Frosty who, although quick and agile, has zero composure, fumbles and can’t hit the side of a barn door. 

EVERY player in your back six needs half decent skills, not just two or three of them. Fumbles and turnovers = goals against = losses.

Disagree with the barn door bit, as he actually passes pretty well. Better than most of his team mates, who couldn't hit a wall if they were locked in a small room.

[old dee 23,494]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Disagree with the barn door bit, as he actually passes pretty well. Better than most of his team mates, who couldn't hit a wall if they were locked in a small room.

Love that one Mr.Leg do you mind if I borrow it?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,647]

I think I may have been misunderstood. I'm not saying our players don't know what Frosty is doing, that he isn't following team rules or that he's not playing well. All I was saying was that in a hypothetical situation IF our players didn't know what he was doing it would be a problem.

[Redleg 40,207]

11 minutes ago, old dee said:

Love that one Mr.Leg do you mind if I borrow it?

Feel free, I am a sharing person.

BTW, it is an original.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,721]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A bigger concern is whether our players have a clue as to what Frosty is doing. It would be hard to know where to position yourself if you don't know what the player with ball is going to do with it.

When (if ever) we get our best defensive 6 on the park, Frosty should go forward as a defensive running and contest player to stop the switch and slingshot

[old dee 23,494]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Feel free, I am a sharing person.

BTW, it is an original.

Very well thought out, go to the top of the class!

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

6 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

When (if ever) we get our best defensive 6 on the park, Frosty should go forward as a defensive running and contest player to stop the switch and slingshot

Good call. Capable of providing serious frontal pressure where skills aren’t necessarily first priority. Or ... with his fitness base possibly train him up for shut down roles on the big bodied oppo midfielders like Cripps and Bontempelli. His weaknesses outweigh his strengths in defence. 

[rjay 24,604]

9 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Good call. Capable of providing serious frontal pressure where skills aren’t necessarily first priority. Or ... with his fitness base possibly train him up for shut down roles on the big bodied oppo midfielders like Cripps and Bontempelli. His weaknesses outweigh his strengths in defence. 

You've got to be kidding...

Frosty's biggest weaknesses is he's not a natural footballer.

Good athlete when he gets to use that strength but the midfield is not the place for it.

Smart footballers play him on a break.

Cripps & Bont are smart footballers.

[DubDee 24,397]

this came out today.  there are a few '3s' in there.  exciting times indeed!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-casualty-ward-every-clubs-injury-list-ahead-of-round-7-2019/news-story/1ad19ac2dbaef5ae31d5c83493d45b4d

MELBOURNE

Mitch Hannan (Knee) — 3-5 weeks

Neville Jetta (Knee) — 7-9 weeks

Jay Kennedy-Harris (Knee) — 7 weeks

Kade Kolodjashnij (Concussion) — TBC

Jake Lever (Knee) — 3-5 weeks

Steven May (Groin) — TBC

Alex Neal-Bullen (Corked quad) — TBC

Aaron Nietschke (Knee) — Season

Joel Smith (Groin) — 3-4 weeks

Aaron vandenBerg (Ankle) — 4-5 weeks

Jack Viney (AC joint) — 2 weeks

Guy Walker (Shoulder) — Indefinite

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

28 minutes ago, rjay said:

You've got to be kidding...

Frosty's biggest weaknesses is he's not a natural footballer.

Good athlete when he gets to use that strength but the midfield is not the place for it.

Smart footballers play him on a break.

Cripps & Bont are smart footballers.

People underestimate the value of a good run-with/shut-down player. Even the likes of Cripps and Bont can be curtailed with an opponent on their ginger for four quarters. Takes a particular type of player though. Frost would be a left field choice sure but he has the tank and closing speed to worry any direct opponent on the ground. Nothing ventured nothing gained and his career in defence fizzles out ignominiously.

It was good to see Goodwin at least starting to think along these lines on the weekend by sending Hibberd to Dusty. Can’t allow these stars to have free run at it anymore. 

 

Edited April 30, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[JV7 2,348]

27 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

People underestimate the value of a good run-with/shut-down player. Even the likes of Cripps and Bont can be curtailed with an opponent on their ginger for four quarters. Takes a particular type of player though. Frost would be a left field choice sure but he has the tank and closing speed to worry any direct opponent on the ground. Nothing ventured nothing gained and his career in defence fizzles out ignominiously.

It was good to see Goodwin at least starting to think along these lines on the weekend by sending Hibberd to Dusty. Can’t allow these stars to have free run at it anymore. 

 

If Frost ran through the midfield on a Cripps or Fyfe they’d have 60 & kick 6. The answer to the original question is Frost is delisted at seasons end. He’s not up to it in defence or forward and certainly isn’t a midfielder . As soon as Lever & May are fit it’s OMac & potentially Petty playing for th 3rd tall if required

Edited April 30, 2019 by JV7

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

6 minutes ago, JV7 said:

If Frost ran through the midfield on a Cripps or Fyfe they’d have 60 & kick 6. The answer to the original question is Frost is delisted at seasons end. He’s not up to it in defence or forward and certainly isn’t a midfielder . As soon as Lever & May are fit it’s OMac & potentially Petty playing for th 3rd tall if required

Sheedy in his coaching prime would’ve tried it. 

Agree on Frost as a defender though. He and Oscar just marking time back there.

[ManDee 7,124]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Disagree with the barn door bit, as he actually passes pretty well. Better than most of his team mates, who couldn't hit a wall if they were locked in a small room.

Couldn't hit the water from a boat.

[Redleg 40,207]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

Very well thought out, go to the top of the class!

My usual position.

[Redleg 40,207]

2 hours ago, ManDee said:

Couldn't hit the water from a boat.

Bu the boat could be on a trailer in the garage.

[What 18,810]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

this came out today.  there are a few '3s' in there.  exciting times indeed!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-casualty-ward-every-clubs-injury-list-ahead-of-round-7-2019/news-story/1ad19ac2dbaef5ae31d5c83493d45b4d

MELBOURNE

Mitch Hannan (Knee) — 3-5 weeks

Neville Jetta (Knee) — 7-9 weeks

Jay Kennedy-Harris (Knee) — 7 weeks

Kade Kolodjashnij (Concussion) — TBC

Jake Lever (Knee) — 3-5 weeks

Steven May (Groin) — TBC

Alex Neal-Bullen (Corked quad) — TBC

Aaron Nietschke (Knee) — Season

Joel Smith (Groin) — 3-4 weeks

Aaron vandenBerg (Ankle) — 4-5 weeks

Jack Viney (AC joint) — 2 weeks

Guy Walker (Shoulder) — Indefinite

  Lever, Hannan, AVB and Joel Smith... will be so good to have them back.

A star backman, a crafty forward, a raging bull and a great athlete who played great in JLT.  Sadly it will be too late to turn around our season by then though.