5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

All bought on by the performance of The Club. 

We are 17th FCS with little chance of winning another game this year

Glad you are happy about that!!

Its the manner of the losses, the repeating of the same mistakes, the  inability of players to perform simple tasks for a professional footballer and the inability of the coaching staff to articulate a clear plan and execute. And the fact we have been listening to the same shiite for way too long

5 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Its the manner of the losses, the repeating of the same mistakes, the  inability of players to perform simple tasks for a professional footballer and the inability of the coaching staff to articulate a clear plan and execute. And the fact we have been listening to the same shiite for way too long

That’s pretty much how i see it. 

This has gone on too long to be a “Blip”

There is something very wrong somewhere. Max Gawn almost told us Post Match last Saturday 

On 7/28/2019 at 12:56 PM, Sorry kids said:

PAUL Roos remembers the meeting like it was yesterday.

In the room was Todd Viney, Josh Mahoney, Roos and prospective coach Simon Goodwin.

 

i'll leave it at that

On 3/24/2019 at 3:31 PM, rjay said:

You're right 'Goody', it's no reason to overreact but that's now 4 poor games in a row.

That's a trend.

I think we can now put some things into perspective and act to fix what we can.

From my post after the JLT games...

"A lot of people wanting to put things into perspective from my readings....

...so here's my perspective.

We're not good enough to cruise through preseason games just yet...if these games are meant to tweak the game plan and fine tune for the first game then heaven help us.

That was a dogs breakfast.

No amount of perspective can change that."

In another post earlier in the year I also said that our continued improvement will be harder this year.

We've been on a steady upward climb and logic would see us drop off a bit somewhere.

Is this the year we drop back a bit? do we miss finals?

A bit early to call but on the evidence of the last 4 games we've got work to do.

I think our list is overrated by the media and of course us fans...there are holes and I'm sure the FD know this.

We lack quality small forwards, Jeffy is the only class one we have and he's super flakey...

Spargo is not up to it yet and I don't think he has the tricks to ever be. At his size he needs them big time.

ANB can fill a role but at the moment that's what all our small forwards are trying to do...he must hit the scoreboard to hold his place.

We had Sparrow in there yesterday for his first game and at least he put some pressure on but he's not a small forward.

Hunt's been tried but he's not one either.

So our small forwards are about pressure but none bring scoreboard pressure except Jeffy at times.

Our defence..Frost, should have been delisted.

Omac...the experiment is over. Time to put development into Petty alongside May & Lever.

Hibberd hasn't been the player he was in 2017, he's drifting by and not working anywhere near hard enough.

We miss Lever big time but I think we overpaid for him, one of those draft kids running around now adding a bit of class could have been handy.

Tommy Mac worries me, he's had a good season as a forward but has been very average as of late.

History shows he had a really good season and a bit as a defender then dropped off dramatically.

Let's hope it's just an aberration and he's up and firing again soon but the trend is remarkably similar.

Is Tommy getting ahead of himself or have the opposition worked him?

A big call but maybe Tommy could do with some Casey time with his brother.

Weid is a kid and he will get a bit more time. Expect him to be up and down but he needs to work harder when down.

Trac...undecided on him. I get the feeling he will never be the player we wanted but still be a good player. Just not a great one.

It's time to deliver young Trac, no more teasing.

The mids are a good group but they are believing their own publicity.

Thanks Gary Lyon, we all know Oliver is a star but he doesn't need to drink his own bathwater and he has recently.

Time for them to grow up and also time for Max to focus on his game, he's being pushed around too easily.

You're a big boy Max and you don't need everyone to like you.

Outside run, yeah we all know that. KK may provide some if he gets back to early career form but there's no guarantee there.

Being out of the early picks in the last 2 drafts has hurt and we need to pick some more talent.

Fritsch is class but is only a fringe player at the moment so he needs to give us more this year.

A side note to yesterday...they were up and about.

Did anyone notice how many players ran to Sparrow when he kicked his first AFL goal in his first game? not enough for my liking.

We weren't up for it.

So the question remains...the writing was on the wall for yesterdays game. Is it on the wall going forward?

Will we drop off this year?

 

 

 

Well, there's no doubt now that the writing was on the wall early.

We didn't recover from last years prelim, with the JLT games signalling this before the Port game.

4 games set the trend.

I just didn't think the drop off would be this bad.

If I look back at the original post a lot was right, some not so.

If I take out the Frost delist call most looks to have held for the season.

Max stood up, Oliver picked up possessions but really need a rocket and to get his head out of his a...Tommy Mac drop off, Trac showed he was a good player, maybe not the star we want be was solid. Hibberd a shadow...

Outside run was always going to be the issue and still is...no small forwards.

 

On 7/31/2019 at 6:14 PM, beelzebub said:

i'll leave it at that

Yes mate you should and I agree

Its as simple as that but the company men on here wont have it. 

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Well, there's no doubt now that the writing was on the wall early.

We didn't recover from last years prelim, with the JLT games signalling this before the Port game.

4 games set the trend.

I just didn't think the drop off would be this bad.

If I look back at the original post a lot was right, some not so.

If I take out the Frost delist call most looks to have held for the season.

Max stood up, Oliver picked up possessions but really need a rocket and to get his head out of his a...Tommy Mac drop off, Trac showed he was a good player, maybe not the star we want be was solid. Hibberd a shadow...

Outside run was always going to be the issue and still is...no small forwards.

 

It just snowalled rj. I was one of the optimistic bridgade after round 1. Despite being highly critical of Goodwin since round 23 2017. I suspected thant our worst was still fridge top 8. How wrong I was. The Saints game ruined my birthday in April, Goodwin was badly outcoached by a bloke that has since been sacked. And is now reporting to Goodwin! 

Goodwin now has a Mt Everest mountain to climb, much bigger than what Bomber in 2006 or Hardwick in 2016 had to climb. He'll either come out of it as one of the best coaches in the game, or he'll be unemployed. There is no middle ground unfortunately. That's how extreme a turnaround we need.

 

13 minutes ago, praha said:

It just snowalled rj. I was one of the optimistic bridgade after round 1. Despite being highly critical of Goodwin since round 23 2017. I suspected thant our worst was still fridge top 8. How wrong I was. The Saints game ruined my birthday in April, Goodwin was badly outcoached by a bloke that has since been sacked. And is now reporting to Goodwin! 

Goodwin now has a Mt Everest mountain to climb, much bigger than what Bomber in 2006 or Hardwick in 2016 had to climb. He'll either come out of it as one of the best coaches in the game, or he'll be unemployed. There is no middle ground unfortunately. That's how extreme a turnaround we need.

 

Agreed 100%

A key ingredient in all this is whether Goodwin was involved in the recruitment of Richo. If he was, and is open to the idea then the current FD has a chance to recover. If Goodwin was not involved, then this could get weird. I like Richo, but we now have 2 Senior Coaches in The department. 

This is new territory 

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Agreed 100%

A key ingredient in all this is whether Goodwin was involved in the recruitment of Richo. If he was, and is open to the idea then the current FD has a chance to recover. If Goodwin was not involved, then this could get weird. I like Richo, but we now have 2 Senior Coaches in The department. 

This is new territory 

And another 100% agree. 

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Agreed 100%

A key ingredient in all this is whether Goodwin was involved in the recruitment of Richo. If he was, and is open to the idea then the current FD has a chance to recover. If Goodwin was not involved, then this could get weird. I like Richo, but we now have 2 Senior Coaches in The department. 

This is new territory 

We've had 2 for a while now 'SWYL', remember Macca was a senior coach and Rawlings has had senior experience as a caretaker.

I think the crucial ingredient to success is that Goodwin is prepared to listen.

If he's not we could get all the best, most experienced assistants in the business and it would amount to nothing.

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

We've had 2 for a while now 'SWYL', remember Macca was a senior coach and Rawlings has had senior experience as a caretaker.

I think the crucial ingredient to success is that Goodwin is prepared to listen.

If he's not we could get all the best, most experienced assistants in the business and it would amount to nothing.

Yes and the Macca situation failed to work, by bringing in Richo, the Club is basically telling Goodwin he is not up to it, without sacking him. 

I have seen these scenarios put into place during my time at The ABC. Very delicate at times....

one person invariably left....

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes and the Macca situation failed to work, by bringing in Richo, the Club is basically telling Goodwin he is not up to it, without sacking him. 

I have seen these scenarios put into place during my time at The ABC. Very delicate at times....

one person invariably left....

Why did the Macca situation "fail to work" when he and Goodwin have been part of a build that has resulted in increased wins every year and then a PF, albeit one very poor year at the end?

And how does bringing in Richo correlate to the club "basically telling Goodwin he is not up to it"? Why can't it mean we are trying to bring in someone with extensive experience to add to our coaching setup? Or are you also of the view that when Richmond brought in Justin Leppitsch as an assistant it was the RFC basically telling Hardwick he was not up to it?

5 minutes ago, Scoop Junior said:

Why did the Macca situation "fail to work" when he and Goodwin have been part of a build that has resulted in increased wins every year and then a PF, albeit one very poor year at the end?

We finished 17th, Scoop.

On 7/29/2019 at 1:15 PM, jnrmac said:

Wonder what the invisible CEO and Board are doing?

They’re managing an invisible team led by invisible co-captains. 

1 minute ago, praha said:

We finished 17th, Scoop.

Are you aware Macca spent more than 2019 at the MFC?

Or do you just usually assess performance based on one-fifth of the data?

14 minutes ago, praha said:

We finished 17th, Scoop.

Correct. Plummeted Hard and fast

11 minutes ago, Scoop Junior said:

Are you aware Macca spent more than 2019 at the MFC?

Or do you just usually assess performance based on one-fifth of the data?

The data you are referring to came to a screeching ugly halt during this season. It will take a long time to reset that. 

I class that as an overall fail. You may see it differently Scoop

7 minutes ago, Scoop Junior said:

Are you aware Macca spent more than 2019 at the MFC?

Or do you just usually assess performance based on one-fifth of the data?

If KPIs haven't been met in 4 of the 5 (finals was a pillar KPI dating back to 2015), and in the 5th year you're 17th, then the data tells us you've not actually been successful. 

The club has done a wonderful feel-good job of celebrating linear growth in the w:l column, but reality is that "more wins" hasn't actually been a pillar KPI since 2014, when finals were merely a stretch goal. Why people keep banging on about linear improvement in w:l is beyond me, it's not 2013 anymore and finals as a bare minimum should be the one and only gauge of a team's success. St Kilda won more games this year but I hardly doubt they're celebrating "linear growth". 

Some here have fallen hook line and sinker for the narrative out of the club this year, which I can only assume means few here work in the corporate space. It's PR jargon, reality is that 17th with 5 wins suggests failures, and that major changes need to be made. Macca no doubt had some positive influence but it's very clear that he, like a few others (perhaps including Goodwin) were a catalyst for our poor season. Throw in 2017 and well you've got a coaching team that hasn't quite succeeded, gotten close but ultimately may be time to step aside.

So yeah, the data is actually quite clear in that it didn't work. 

9 minutes ago, praha said:

If KPIs haven't been met in 4 of the 5 (finals was a pillar KPI dating back to 2015), and in the 5th year you're 17th, then the data tells us you've not actually been successful. 

The club has done a wonderful feel-good job of celebrating linear growth in the w:l column, but reality is that "more wins" hasn't actually been a pillar KPI since 2014, when finals were merely a stretch goal. Why people keep banging on about linear improvement in w:l is beyond me, it's not 2013 anymore and finals as a bare minimum should be the one and only gauge of a team's success. St Kilda won more games this year but I hardly doubt they're celebrating "linear growth". 

Some here have fallen hook line and sinker for the narrative out of the club this year, which I can only assume means few here work in the corporate space. It's PR jargon, reality is that 17th with 5 wins suggests failures, and that major changes need to be made. Macca no doubt had some positive influence but it's very clear that he, like a few others (perhaps including Goodwin) were a catalyst for our poor season. Throw in 2017 and well you've got a coaching team that hasn't quite succeeded, gotten close but ultimately may be time to step aside.

So yeah, the data is actually quite clear in that it didn't work. 

I am not swayed by the club narrative - I'm swayed by what I see when I watch us every weekend.

I have seen a team that was quite possibly the worst Melbourne team in my time supporting them with possibly the worst list (2013) improve each year to the point where we finished 5th H&A and won 2 finals. I'm not just going by wins I'm going by how we performed in games across the season. So surely something is going right when you continually improve one of the worst sides of all time year on year and get them to the top 4.

I don't disagree with you about this year - it has been a shocker and changes need to be (and will be made). But that does not in my opinion mean the people who were there over this list/team build have failed and that plans made in 2013/2014 didn't work. When 5 of 6 seasons have seen the team improve I completely disagree with the sweeping statement that "it didn't work".

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Agreed 100%

A key ingredient in all this is whether Goodwin was involved in the recruitment of Richo. If he was, and is open to the idea then the current FD has a chance to recover. If Goodwin was not involved, then this could get weird. I like Richo, but we now have 2 Senior Coaches in The department. 

This is new territory 

Macca says Hi. Jade Rawlings also says a little hello.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Macca says Hi. Jade Rawlings also says a little hello.

Macca is 1 casualty of this year, he was also around when Goodwin came on board. Rawlings the same  

Richo is in a different scenario, because he has been bought in as a consequence of Goodwin “not connecting” for whatever reason. 

Delicate situation...

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

because he has been bought in as a consequence of Goodwin “not connecting” for whatever reason.

What evidence do you have for that statement? Real evidence please, not just a thought bubble.

51 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

What evidence do you have for that statement? Real evidence please, not just a thought bubble.

5-17 is all the evidence needed Sunshine

17th Spot

Zurich and Jaguar must be over the moon at their first year of Sponsorship 

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Zurich and Jaguar must be over the moon at their first year of Sponsorship 

If you mean they've gone loony, your are probably spot on

41 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

If you mean they've gone loony, your are probably spot on

I am sure the boardroom chats have been priceless!!!

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am sure the boardroom chats have been priceless!!!

"420 words in the 'unbelievably unacceptably abhorrent' newspaper review! More than any other club! Priceless publicity. Let's double down for next year!"