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both TMac and Jesse are good players. both aren't perfect, but the biggest differences I have noticed between them are;

Tmac is a good one grab mark when he gets clean hands to the ball, but he also hits packs and creates chances for others if he cant mark it. Jesse's a bit of a two grabber who prefers to be grounded in a one on one marking contest, and if that's fails, he tends to play for a free kick instead.

Tmacs a straight shooter with a simple repeatable technique. Jesse's run up and set shot are never consistent. 

Tmac gives repeat efforts no matter what. Jesse drops his head and sulks if things don't go his way. 

not surprisingly I prefer Tmac as a FF. he's a more complete player and he frustrates me a hell of a lot less than Jesse used to.

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    hogan is clearly the more credentialed forward over an exposed period, having played a key forward role since his debut

    by comparison t mac is a relative newcomer to the caper

    other than listening to lewis do his 'look over there, robbo...squirrel!' routine on a tuesday, the only watchable segment on afl 360 is when bob murphy and nick riewoldt are on as they're astute football brains who aren't afraid to have a say

    i rate riewoldt enormously as a commentator, but the real shock in this list is that ben brown is so far down - that dude is a classic forward and i'd say easily top 5 in the competition

    off the top of my head, i'd say top 10 key forwards in the caper currently:

    1. buddy
    2. hawkins
    3. brown
    4. jack riewoldt
    5. josh kennedy
    6. de goey
    7. hogan
    8. plugger mac
    9. dixon
    10. daniher

    i know betts is a 'small' but he plays like a traditional key forward, leading out of the square, a lot of the time

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    13 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    hogan is clearly the more credentialed forward over an exposed period, having played a key forward role since his debut

    by comparison t mac is a relative newcomer to the caper

    other than listening to lewis do his 'look over there, robbo...squirrel!' routine on a tuesday, the only watchable segment on afl 360 is when bob murphy and nick riewoldt are on as they're astute football brains who aren't afraid to have a say

    i rate riewoldt enormously as a commentator, but the real shock in this list is that ben brown is so far down - that dude is a classic forward and i'd say easily top 5 in the competition

    off the top of my head, i'd say top 10 key forwards in the caper currently:

    1. buddy
    2. hawkins
    3. brown
    4. jack riewoldt
    5. josh kennedy
    6. de goey
    7. hogan
    8. plugger mac
    9. dixon
    10. daniher

    i know betts is a 'small' but he plays like a traditional key forward, leading out of the square, a lot of the time

    Most footy fans would agree with you re Brown, except me.

    He's most definitely a talent, but I find him quite one dimensional.  What I like about McDonald is that he not only takes marks inside 50, but he also plays that important connector role from defence and can take a grab on the wing.  Those connector marks are invaluable and often start scoring chains.  I hardly see Brown leave the forward 50.

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    17 minutes ago, ProDee said:

    Most footy fans would agree with you re Brown, except me.

    He's most definitely a talent, but I find him quite one dimensional.  What I like about McDonald is that he not only takes marks inside 50, but he also plays that important connector role from defence and can take a grab on the wing.  Those connector marks are invaluable and often start scoring chains.  I hardly see Brown leave the forward 50.

    Agree to an extent. He does get up the ground a bit, but I guess not often. But when he does if he doesn't clunk a mark his lack of agility becomes a liability.

    Also the roos funnel much of their forward entries through him which gives him more opportunity than other forwards.

    This reliance on brown is also a bit one dimensional. Shut him down and shut the roos down. As was the case in the latter part of last season.

    This highlights the fact brown can only really play forward, which really reduces the roos' flexibility. If tmac gets shut down we can throw him in the ruck, to the wing or chb.

    All that said as you note he is definitely a talent. One of the best marks on the lead since dunstall I reckon.

    Edited by binman

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    Hogan never kicks goals against the top sides, if we're going deep into September, I know who I'd prefer....and it aint Hogan

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    how can hogan be above mcdonald? mcdonald averages more goals per game despite playing less time inside 50 :S Not to mention the defensive stuff. 

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    2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    how can hogan be above mcdonald? mcdonald averages more goals per game despite playing less time inside 50 :S Not to mention the defensive stuff. 

    It's just an opinion.

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    I rate Hogan and Tmac  better than Riewoldt anyway. The only thing Riewoldt was better at, was standing on his head and getting himself injured all the time.....

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    The big difference is that now Hogan has maybe half the amount of good players feeding him the ball. TMac not only has more quality players supplying him, he also has more support in the forward line.

    A direct comparison should only be made after a full season in their respective lineups. 

    Anyway, as long as we are winning,  i don't GAS who is rated better.

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    Honestly, I think things are getting a bit stretched for news about football before the season starts when someone asks Nick Riewoldt to compile a list and add his 'wise' opinion on these so called Top Ten Forwards. All background noise which doesn't mean anything. Let's get on with the season. Maybe I'm biased because Tommy Mac is one of my favourites, but I know he will prove his worth in 2019 with a Premiership Medal around his neck. 

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    10 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    how can hogan be above mcdonald? mcdonald averages more goals per game despite playing less time inside 50 :S Not to mention the defensive stuff. 

    Stop looking at very compact numbers. Look outside those and the value as a team member/team player.

    Hogan will stall and either. He hasn't the mixture.

    Tom wants a flag for the Dees.

    Jesse wants to play backyard footy.

    Over to you ;)

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    3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

    Stop looking at very compact numbers. Look outside those and the value as a team member/team player.

    Hogan will stall and either. He hasn't the mixture.

    Tom wants a flag for the Dees.

    Jesse wants to play backyard footy.

    Over to you ;)

    I said not to mention the defensive stuff. did u not even read my post. we're agreeing. tom McDonald is twice the player of Hogan. So much so that I want to turn oscar into one :)

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    18 hours ago, Demonland said:

    The results are in. 

     

    I reckon Hogan is gone! Looks unhappy, mind you having to wear that jumper and if he's lucky sing that crap  song....eeek!

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