Hawk supporters need to reacquire the ability to lose gracefully. Until they do (and it’s a skill that will require decades of practice), they will get little sympathy from me, when the footy Gods do them ill. 

 

Edited January 14, 20196 yr by PaulRB

On 1/11/2019 at 1:20 PM, Wrecker45 said:

Does a year seem a long time for a broken leg? I thought they generally came on quicker than that.

Depends on the break - a spiral fracture of a long leg bone takes 6 weeks to join together - double it for 'consolidation' or getting bone strength back. A transverse fracture - straight across - doubles the time frame. 12 weeks to join hence 24 weeks to get strong.

so six months prior to getting up to reasonable training - how long to get 'AFL level' fit from there? probably better from a long term point of view to wrap the season up and hit pre season next year fully fit

Proper leg breaks can be major issues.  Gary Rohan, Nathan Brown etc.  Tom might not be the same player.   

as opposed to a fracture where you can be back in 2-3 months is not major.

no way Mitchell plays this year.

name Hawthorn's inside mids after mitchell....    yeah it's not pretty.   they have zero chance of being close to finals

On 1/11/2019 at 2:20 PM, Wrecker45 said:

Does a year seem a long time for a broken leg? I thought they generally came on quicker than that.

Every break is different. I broke my tibia in my early 20's, the break started just above the ankle and went on a sharp angle through the bone and finished just below the knee. The break was several inches long. I was in plaster up to my groin for 16 weeks, they took the plaster off and I still couldn't weight bear. I broke it again the following day while swimming. The second time they kept me in the plaster for 20 weeks. It was another 3 months before I could run again and even then it was only straight lines. Missed 2 years of footy with that injury.

5 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Hawk supporters need to reacquire the ability to lose gracefully. Until they do (and it’s a skill that will require decades of practice), they will get little sympathy from me, when the footy Gods do them ill. 

 

Sorry PRB. disagree.

they place high value on winning. losing gracefully is OK in amateurs... but not in AFL.  We lose gracefully and have done now for 50+ years.

 

Maybe if we had been un-accepting of our losing, we might not have been through our past unsuccessful history?

 

Is our grace when losing... one part of our acceptance of the same?

 

1 hour ago, furious d said:

Every break is different. I broke my tibia in my early 20's, the break started just above the ankle and went on a sharp angle through the bone and finished just below the knee. The break was several inches long. I was in plaster up to my groin for 16 weeks, they took the plaster off and I still couldn't weight bear. I broke it again the following day while swimming. The second time they kept me in the plaster for 20 weeks. It was another 3 months before I could run again and even then it was only straight lines. Missed 2 years of footy with that injury.

Was that a Spiral fracture, 'fd' ?

1 hour ago, furious d said:

Every break is different. I broke my tibia in my early 20's, the break started just above the ankle and went on a sharp angle through the bone and finished just below the knee. The break was several inches long. I was in plaster up to my groin for 16 weeks, they took the plaster off and I still couldn't weight bear. I broke it again the following day while swimming. The second time they kept me in the plaster for 20 weeks. It was another 3 months before I could run again and even then it was only straight lines. Missed 2 years of footy with that injury.

ouch, fd, that sounds like a nightmare, 36 weeks in plaster

On 1/12/2019 at 10:46 AM, FarNorthernD said:

There is some risk but I do like the way we are swapping out our high picks for known quantities (Lever/May) who will be automatic, guaranteed and important top 10 players for us. There is bit of the ‘what if’ factor by opting out of the high first round picks and does make draft day a bit dull for us supporters but it does seem the sensible and higher percentage way to go. 

Lower picks have also had their own stand out/generational players too

Danger at pick 10

Rance 18

Fyfe 20

Jono Brown 30

Goodes 43

Scarlett 45

Harvey 47

Swan 58

Hird 79 (although some sort of weird family thing here)

And then a couple of favourites. The park footballer who mistakenly wandered onto an AFL ground, Jeremy McGovern at 74 and Dean Kemp, a 2 X Premiership player, AA, B & F, 243 games and Norm Smith medallist at 119!

By the time he retires our own Max Gawn (34) may possibly be considered the ruckman of this generation too

Weird family was revealed when daddy repeatedly tried to excuse and deflect little boy’s inexcusable carrying on. 

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Weird family was revealed when daddy repeatedly tried to excuse and deflect little boy’s inexcusable carrying on. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-saga-allan-hird-hits-out-at-asada-chief-and-government-20160509-goppwl.html

 

It wasn't the players fault.  It was the off field leadership.

That club should still hang its heads in shame.

Edited January 15, 20196 yr by DV8

16 hours ago, bingers said:

Had we won 1987 Prelim, we would have been thumped the following week.

Finally, someone with a sense of reality...Flower injured, Wilson injured, both unavailable...we weren't going anywhere, but it was magnificent while it lasted.

Edited January 15, 20196 yr by pitmaster

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

Sorry PRB. disagree.

they place high value on winning. losing gracefully is OK in amateurs... but not in AFL.  We lose gracefully and have done now for 50+ years.

 

Maybe if we had been un-accepting of our losing, we might not have been through our past unsuccessful history?

 

Is our grace when losing... one part of our acceptance of the same?

 

You've missed his humour, DV8.

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

Sorry PRB. disagree.

they place high value on winning. losing gracefully is OK in amateurs... but not in AFL.  We lose gracefully and have done now for 50+ years.

Maybe if we had been un-accepting of our losing, we might not have been through our past unsuccessful history?

Is our grace when losing... one part of our acceptance of the same?

 

I think the 'grace when losing' comments were more about not being a pack of sooking 4rseh01e3 who act like they've been cheated out of something they are entitled to.

To put it another way, 'external' grace when losing. Being decent human beings and all that. Which Hawthorn have defintely lost sight of.

Internally, no doubt they take losses hard, but most importantly they turn them into a guide for what to improve.

It is curious, the two personalities of the Hawthorn football club, especially when you look at it from the concept of psychological 'locus of control' - the idea of how much you see your life as being under your control, versus how much you believe things beyond your control will decide things.

Ha! I just realised, Richmond at their worst had a complete reversal of Hawthorn's split internal/external identity. All their players and coaches had too much belief that things were either going to happen 'naturally' or were beyond control, such as draft picks maturing and the predestined super-list stomping along. Meanwhile, the external, all their supporters and coterie people and the like, believed that they could change it all, hence the constant uprisings and interferences.

So what do we learn from this? As supporters we have to accept that we only have a small effect on results, but we must always make sure the players and coaches know that fate is in their own hands.

7 hours ago, pitmaster said:

You've missed his humour, DV8.

Ha, your right I didn't see it.

My apologies to PRB.

But my stance remains, about our attitudes of our past.

6 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

I think the 'grace when losing' comments were more about not being a pack of sooking 4rseh01e3 who act like they've been cheated out of something they are entitled to.

To put it another way, 'external' grace when losing. Being decent human beings and all that. Which Hawthorn have defintely lost sight of.

Internally, no doubt they take losses hard, but most importantly they turn them into a guide for what to improve.

It is curious, the two personalities of the Hawthorn football club, especially when you look at it from the concept of psychological 'locus of control' - the idea of how much you see your life as being under your control, versus how much you believe things beyond your control will decide things.

Ha! I just realised, Richmond at their worst had a complete reversal of Hawthorn's split internal/external identity. All their players and coaches had too much belief that things were either going to happen 'naturally' or were beyond control, such as draft picks maturing and the predestined super-list stomping along. Meanwhile, the external, all their supporters and coterie people and the like, believed that they could change it all, hence the constant uprisings and interferences.

So what do we learn from this? As supporters we have to accept that we only have a small effect on results, but we must always make sure the players and coaches know that fate is in their own hands.

Expectations and feeling entitled, are close allies with disappointment, arrogance, and the whole boom & bust scenarios.

We live in hope of that carrot being dangled in front of us... and are taught to want that damn carrot, as we grow from infants.

 

I've given up on being good at losing, & a good loser...  and say to hell with that, and...  just say it openly, honestly, as you think/feel it.

Edited January 15, 20196 yr by DV8

23 hours ago, DV8 said:

Was that a Spiral fracture, 'fd' ?

Not sure to be honest DV8, got all my treatment at St Vincents Hospital and I mostly remember doctors talking to each other rather than me.

23 hours ago, daisycutter said:

ouch, fd, that sounds like a nightmare, 36 weeks in plaster

Only time I've ever lived in an upstairs bedroom was that year dc, not the best year I've ever had.

18 hours ago, DV8 said:

Ha, your right I didn't see it.

My apologies to PRB.

But my stance remains, about our attitudes of our past.

I don’t think being an a$$hole when you lose implies you are less accepting of the loss than someone who has the class to be gracious in defeat. 

So we’re probably talking at cross purposes on this. 

Yes wish Hawthorn all the best in 2019.

Or as they say in the states-"Break a Leg!"

 

Sad for Mitchell and wish him a speedy recovery. A year out is a huge blow.

Having said that, I'd be very happy for a year out for Hawthorn too (no Mitchell, no Hawthorn).

7 hours ago, PaulRB said:

I don’t think being an a$$hole when you lose implies you are less accepting of the loss than someone who has the class to be gracious in defeat. 

So we’re probably talking at cross purposes on this. 

Nobody mentioned being an "a$$hole"... prb.

You know, both Bjorn Borg and John patrick McEnroe,  were both legends to me.  As was Pat Cash.

 

13 hours ago, Biffen said:

Or as they say in the states-"Break a Leg!"

Ooh! Me! Me!

It's actually a British saying, emerging from a strange confluence of horse racing and the theatre