List is thin after the 24th player?

 

49 minutes ago, McQueen said:

List is thin after the 24th player?

 

That's because they don't know who they are.

3 hours ago, McQueen said:

List is thin after the 24th player?

I'd agree with this. We have flawed / aging / injury-riddled players in depth spots, which is granted, what usually happens, but when you do a list of consistent role players or stars, it thins out at 26 or so.

May, Jones, Salem, Harmes, Petracca, Lewis, Viney, Lever, Spargo, Brayshaw, Gawn, Preuss, Oliver, KK, Hibberd, Frost, Melksham, Hannan, Vandenberg, TMac, Weideman, OMac, Hunt, ANB, Fritsch, Jetta.

Of course, our new recruits could change the face of this in the short term, although I doubt many of them will be able to have an impact in 2019. Hore and Sparrow potentially, but outside run is still a concern if KK, Hunt, Baker and Hore don't come on as expected.

The article also rightly points out that we're placing a lot of faith in Weideman next year too. He's still a young player and I think we'll find consistency in 2019 is still an issue. I'll be interested to see if Bedford gets a chance at some stage in 2019 or whether he has to wait until 2020 and beyond for an opportunity, because we desperately lack pace at ground level in our forwardline.

On the whole, our list is beautifully balanced, but there is quite a bit of assumption in that statement that is fairly questioned in this article.

Ronny Lerner's best 22 plus 4 emergencies totals 26, any one of whom could competently fill a spot in the 22 and the team would lose little.

In addition there is Stretch, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt and J Wagner who have shown that they can perform well at senior level. Plus there is hope for Preuss in a new team and game plan. All together a total of 30 who have performed at senior level. And that excludes any draftees and rookies who could develop.

To say that the list thins out after the 24th player is itself a bit thin. Barring a catastrophic run of injuries to our key players, a team comprised of any combination of the 30 players would be competitive.

We have competition and multiple options for most positions and no apparent serious deficiencies in any position. The perfect basis for major development.

2020

Go dees.

 

47 minutes ago, tiers said:

Stretch, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt and J Wagner

 

47 minutes ago, tiers said:

Preuss

'tiers' none of them has locked down a senior spot & with the exception of Hunt there have only been fleeting glimpses at senior level.

I think Ronnie is not far off the mark with his comments on exposed form...lets hope with another season under the belt some of the above really make a statement and push up along with 1 or 2 of the new draftees.

...by the way, I think most teams would fall away after 24 - 26.

You don't get to keep serious depth, if they're not getting a game they move on.

1 hour ago, tiers said:

 

2020

Go dees.

 

Why 2020? This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen someone sign off like this. Are we skipping 2019 because it is an odd numbered year? 

To rjay.

That they haven't locked down a senior spot says more about our depth than their individual abilities. At times they have each shown serious potential.

To FlashInThePan.

I have been signing off many of my posts with '2020' for some time now. The derivation has three parts:

1. Brendan MaCartney once told me that it takes 5 years to train and develop a league footballer. 2020 will the year when many of our developing core players reach the 5 year milestone more or less ie Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca, Harmes, Salem, Weideman, OMac, Nibbler, AVB

2. The late Dean Bailey used to say that it takes about 70 games played together as a group to develop the sense and instinctive understanding required to be a cohesive group. 2020 will also be the year when many of our players reach the 70 gamer milestone playing together as a group ie to the list above add Gawn, TMac,Jetta, Jones,

3. Our last flag was in 1964. 1+9+6+4 = 20. Could 2020 be an omen prediction.

2020

Go dees.

 

If Weideman has a bad year, we’re having a bad year.

Hogan’s 47 or so goals resulted in a lot of our early wins. Eg- if Hogan doesn’t play the round 2 Brisbane game, we lose and play GWS in week 1 finals.

7 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If Weideman has a bad year, we’re having a bad year.

Hogan’s 47 or so goals resulted in a lot of our early wins. Eg- if Hogan doesn’t play the round 2 Brisbane game, we lose and play GWS in week 1 finals.

Things don't work that way, it's not quite so simple.

Take Hogan out & you get a different spread of goal kickers.

We were still getting the ball forward & as some say, we worked as a more cohesive unit without Hogan.

The argument could be made that we would kick more goals.

As for Weideman, our season is not totally dependant on his success or failure.

Of course it would be better if he has a good season.

17 hours ago, McQueen said:

List is thin after the 24th player?

 

Not that long ago our list was thin in the Bluey placings, we've come a long way.

Jetta, May, Oscar McDonald, Salem, Lever, Hibberd

Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Kolodjashnij, Harmes

Petracca, Weideman, Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Tom McDonald, Spargo

Jones, vandenBerg, Fritsch, Lewis, Hannan

That's our best 23 players.

Good to reasonable depth: Frost, Hunt, Garlett, Stretch, J. Smith, Kennedy-Harris, J. Wagner

That's 30, not 24, imo.

Petty will be a player, while I'm not as bullish on Tim Smith and Maynard who have also donned the red & blue.

For me, it's as much depth as most clubs.

And I reckon Hore might just be a player.

Jetta, May, Salem, Lever, Hibberd, Oscar

Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Kolodjashnij, Harmes

Petracca, Weideman, Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Tom McDonald, Spargo

Jones, vandenBerg, Fritsch, Lewis, Hannan

This is my best 22 going on from the template above. I think, like the Swans best years we may only play 28-32.

May is a no-brainer, he is in.

Some are in by default: Kolo, Lewis, Oscar, Spargo and Hannan because it IMO is for them to lose their spot early rather have to earn it.

Then we have few who I expect to play quite a few games this year and the reasons differ.

In order of who gets most games:

Preuss - The chop out. 8/10 games - Lever mid year may see changes on many lines

Frost - Im a fan of him and Oscar, but I think Oscar needed to hit another level late in the year. Frosty did. Low hard passing was a revelation. 8 games - same as above but might push through

J.Smith - Coaches really rate him 7 games - a swing man will find a spot

Hunt- back in business - will be tried from half back to HFF - 7 games

Petty - Again big things expected. 4 games

JKK - keeps impressing early in the year and I always wrongly think it will click, slightly faster, slightly better disposal - 4 games

Then its anybodies guess but I think Sparrow and Bakes might play.

From here I have to choose who will lose games on either form, new injuries or longer than expected recovery.

The obvious ones are Viney, Jordan and Jonesey. But I think we carry the No.2 most of the year but maybe niggles see him sidelined. I see only 12 games each.

I dont know where to hand the black spot next, but Hib, Nev and Melks have manned up relentlessly despite injury. Will they get a chop out? Unfortunately I see Jake Lever not getting his mojo back until late in the year, but he will be carried as thats the coaches way.

 

28 minutes ago, Damo said:

Jetta, May, Salem, Lever, Hibberd, Oscar

Gawn, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Kolodjashnij, Harmes

Petracca, Weideman, Neal-Bullen, Melksham, Tom McDonald, Spargo

Jones, vandenBerg, Fritsch, Lewis, Hannan

This is my best 22 going on from the template above. I think, like the Swans best years we may only play 28-32.

May is a no-brainer, he is in.

Some are in by default: Kolo, Lewis, Oscar, Spargo and Hannan because it IMO is for them to lose their spot early rather have to earn it.

Then we have few who I expect to play quite a few games this year and the reasons differ.

In order of who gets most games:

Preuss - The chop out. 8/10 games - Lever mid year may see changes on many lines

Frost - Im a fan of him and Oscar, but I think Oscar needed to hit another level late in the year. Frosty did. Low hard passing was a revelation. 8 games - same as above but might push through

J.Smith - Coaches really rate him 7 games - a swing man will find a spot

Hunt- back in business - will be tried from half back to HFF - 7 games

Petty - Again big things expected. 4 games

JKK - keeps impressing early in the year and I always wrongly think it will click, slightly faster, slightly better disposal - 4 games

Then its anybodies guess but I think Sparrow and Bakes might play.

From here I have to choose who will lose games on either form, new injuries or longer than expected recovery.

The obvious ones are Viney, Jordan and Jonesey. But I think we carry the No.2 most of the year but maybe niggles see him sidelined. I see only 12 games each.

I dont know where to hand the black spot next, but Hib, Nev and Melks have manned up relentlessly despite injury. Will they get a chop out? Unfortunately I see Jake Lever not getting his mojo back until late in the year, but he will be carried as thats the coaches way.

 

With KK or Kolo, I have watched him at training and he is a very handy acquisition to the list, but for the life of me I don't remember him holding down a spot in the team last season, so not sure he has a spot to lose, rather like all the players on the list, a chance to be in the Rd1 team

On 12/14/2018 at 11:54 PM, tiers said:

To rjay.

That they haven't locked down a senior spot says more about our depth than their individual abilities. At times they have each shown serious potential.

To FlashInThePan.

I have been signing off many of my posts with '2020' for some time now. The derivation has three parts:

1. Brendan MaCartney once told me that it takes 5 years to train and develop a league footballer. 2020 will the year when many of our developing core players reach the 5 year milestone more or less ie Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca, Harmes, Salem, Weideman, OMac, Nibbler, AVB

2. The late Dean Bailey used to say that it takes about 70 games played together as a group to develop the sense and instinctive understanding required to be a cohesive group. 2020 will also be the year when many of our players reach the 70 gamer milestone playing together as a group ie to the list above add Gawn, TMac,Jetta, Jones,

3. Our last flag was in 1964. 1+9+6+4 = 20. Could 2020 be an omen prediction.

2020

Go dees.

 

Good point. We don't see enough numerology on Demonland.

I've heard from a knowledgeable Collingwood source the the pies were very keen to get Hore on board. They ran out of picks but they rate him highly. He could be the surprise pick up for us next year. Fingers crossed for the guy to get s chance in the firsts. It's up to him.