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Reminiscing on our past I was wanting to compare our team from Neeld era to today

2013 Rd 1
B: Lynden Dunn, Tom Gillies, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Jack Watts, James Frawley, Colin Garland
C : Jack Viney, Jack Grimes, Jimmy Toumpas
HF: Jeremy Howe, James Sellar, Colin Sylvia
F: Shannon Byrnes, Mitch Clark, David Rodan
Foll: Mark Jamar, Jordie McKenzie, Nathan Jones
I/C: Sam Blease, Cameron Pederson, Luke Tapscott, Matt Jones
EMG: Aaron Davey, Dean Terlich, Jake Spencer

2018 Rd 1

Melbourne

B: Michael Hibberd, Jake Lever, Neville Jetta

HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Nathan Jones

C : Bernie Vince, Jordan Lewis, Christian Salem

HF: Christian Petracca, Cam Pedersen, James Harmes

F: Bayley Fritsch, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett

R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Alex Neal-Bullen

I: Sam Frost, Jake Melksham, Mitch Hannan, Corey Maynard,  Josh Wagner

E: Angus Brayshaw, Dom Tyson, Tom Bugg

Only 2 players from that 2013 team remain, great effort by roos to turn the club around

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      On 23/10/2018 at 13:42, Elegt said:

    Reminiscing on our past I was wanting to compare our team from Neeld era to today

    2013 Rd 1
    B: Lynden Dunn, Tom Gillies, Daniel Nicholson
    HB: Jack Watts, James Frawley, Colin Garland
    C : Jack Viney, Jack Grimes, Jimmy Toumpas
    HF: Jeremy Howe, James Sellar, Colin Sylvia
    F: Shannon Byrnes, Mitch Clark, David Rodan
    Foll: Mark Jamar, Jordie McKenzie, Nathan Jones
    I/C: Sam Blease, Cameron Pederson, Luke Tapscott, Matt Jones
    EMG: Aaron Davey, Dean Terlich, Jake Spencer

    2018 Rd 1

    Melbourne

    B: Michael Hibberd, Jake Lever, Neville Jetta

    HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Nathan Jones

    C : Bernie Vince, Jordan Lewis, Christian Salem

    HF: Christian Petracca, Cam Pedersen, James Harmes

    F: Bayley Fritsch, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett

    R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Alex Neal-Bullen

    I: Sam Frost, Jake Melksham, Mitch Hannan, Corey Maynard,  Josh Wagner

    E: Angus Brayshaw, Dom Tyson, Tom Bugg

    Only 2 players from that 2013 team remain, great effort by roos to turn the club around

    Wow, how quickly we forget. 

    Only 5 years ago. 

    Very sobering looking at that 2013 line-up. 

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    Would Tom Gillies go down as the only player in recent memory to play for the MFC and not lay a single tackle? 

    Minimum requirement is two games if anyone goes searching. 

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    How times change and how thinking changes, in the space of about 10 weeks. 

    How we are now described. 

    Unbelievable, incredible, surreal. 

    A destination club, are you kidding me?

    Not according to this guy!

    “I wanted to see where I can see myself having the best football career.

    They’ve got an unreal list, a really good young list, so I want to be here for sustained success. I don’t want to be here for just a couple of years. 

    I want to play in front of big crowds and to join a big club, it’s a dream come true....it was just too good an opportunity to not pursue. 

    They’re a ruthless team, a high scoring and exciting team, and it’s something that I want to be part of.”

    Love the comment, I want to play in front of big crowds and join a big club. 

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    2013 Melbourne best and fairest results

    Winner: Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy – Nathan Jones (365 votes)

    After winning his first Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy in 2012, Jones deservedly went back-to-back. The incredibly durable midfielder was Melbourne’s most consistent player in 2013. 

    Second: Sid Anderson Memorial Trophy – Colin Garland (360)

    The defender capped off his best AFL season as a close runner-up to Jones. He passed the 100-game milestone and proved a model of consistency, often under pressure down back. 

    Third: Ron Barassi Snr Memorial Trophy – Dean Terlich (306)

    The mature defender was of the bright spots of the year, playing all but two matches in his first season. It was an outstanding return to the AFL system, after he was a Sydney Swans rookie in 2008. 

    Fourth: Ivor Warne-Smith Memorial Trophy – Matt Jones (303)

    Like Terlich, Jones was one of 2013’s good news stories. The 25 year-old midfielder took his opportunity, playing every game after being picked at No. 52 in last year’s NAB AFL Draft. 

    Fifth: [censored] Taylor Memorial Trophy – Colin Sylvia (288)

    Aside from missing three matches through suspension, Sylvia produced a very consistent season. It was the third time he has finished fifth in the best and fairest award, after his efforts in 2009-10.

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    Would love to see off and on the list each year since 2013 if anyone has the energy. Quite a story I would reckon.

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    I am seriously lost for words with the comparison, Depressing times they were indeed.

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    Was 2013 the debut of the blazer or was that the year before?

    The best and fairest will go down in history....

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    Our form at the end of the season was fantastic excluding our last match. 

    So our success was celebrated and seen as a harbinger of further success in 2019.

    Lets hope we are not getting ahead of ourselves.

    To maintain all the good will bestowed on the Club at the end of the season, we need above all else, sustained success for a considerable period of time. 

    And we have to avoid the peaks and troughs of the competition. Become Hawthorn like.

    We look to have set this up but coaches and players need to retain the hunger. 

    We must never underestimate the competition or how circumstances or environment can impact on a club.  

    So great signs, but sustained success with a flag is what we must achieve. 

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    Mitch Clark was a team growth.Thankfully removed.

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      On 23/10/2018 at 22:43, Dee Zephyr said:

    Would Tom Gillies go down as the only player in recent memory to play for the MFC and not lay a single tackle? 

    Minimum requirement is two games if anyone goes searching. 

    Don't know about that but our percentage after Gillies' two games was 28.39 %

     

    Surely that's a record !

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      On 25/10/2018 at 11:23, Go the Biff said:

    Don't know about that but our percentage after Gillies' two games was 28.39 %

     

    Surely that's a record !

    Goodness me!

    Maybe some threads should have an enter at your own risk sign at the front.

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    Difference is neelds tteam was made up with bit part players, todays team is with young talent building their own fate. Makes you wonder what Neeld was thinking.

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      On 25/10/2018 at 20:32, Ugottobekidding said:

    Difference is neelds tteam was made up with bit part players, todays team is with young talent building their own fate. Makes you wonder what Neeld was thinking.

    Not just Neeld, it was a top to bottom problem.

    The whole organisation was rotten. 

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      On 25/10/2018 at 20:49, hemingway said:

    Not just Neeld, it was a top to bottom problem.

    The whole organisation was rotten. 

    How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach

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      On 25/10/2018 at 23:37, Elegt said:

    How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach

    Is this not the dilemma that all clubs face when the team is performing badly ?

    The age old question, is it the players or the coach ?

    In our case, it was a bit of both. 

    There is enough evidence that Neeld's style was unsuited to the players. Unlike Goodwin, the players did not want to play for him. However, Goody has had some success so there will always be better good vibes than when you are badly beaten every week. 

    There are posters with more facts at their fingertips than me but Neeld did start off with a group of players that were expected to perform, but didn't.

    Don't forget, we got a new Coach with Neeld, but we did not have a complete overhaul of the Club as we got with Roos and Goodwin. 

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      On 25/10/2018 at 23:37, Elegt said:

    How did Neeld manage to survive as long as he did? Having the worst win/loss record of all time as a Melbourne coach

    Just out of curiosity, I've looked at other coaching records to see how Neeld compares. It is interesting that of all coaches to have coached 33 or more games (33 being the number coached by Neeld), four have a worse record, measured as percentage of games won. More interestingly, three of them were unquestionably great players - Royce Hart, Brian Dixon and Kevin Murray. The fourth is Allan Hird Senior. 

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      On 26/10/2018 at 00:04, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Just out of curiosity, I've looked at other coaching records to see how Neeld compares. It is interesting that of all coaches to have coached 33 or more games (33 being the number coached by Neeld), four have a worse record, measured as percentage of games won. More interestingly, three of them were unquestionably great players - Royce Hart, Brian Dixon and Kevin Murray. The fourth is Allan Hird Senior. 

    Great players dont make great coaches 

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    Watched some Youtube footage of some famous victories in 2016, also watched some jack watts highlights from 2009-2016.

    Eerily, some of the better players in the victories against the hawks, GWS and Eagles were Pedersen, Bugg, Watts, Kent and my whipping boy, TYson.

    Oi Weh, all of them is gone to the de devil.

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