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3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Just read that Jones could be rated top 10-12 Ā 

Geelong likely at pick 12. Ā 

Maybe someone like LiamĀ Stocker might slide and still be there at 23.

Buckenara's top 30 in order in the Herald Sun has Valente atĀ 23 and Bytel at 28. Granted it does not take into account club need, academy or F/SĀ concessionsĀ but has Williams (10), O'Halloran (22), Duursma (13) gone before 23Ā but the rest you mention still on the board at that point.Ā 

Based on this being the order interested in which combo you take at the two picks.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-draft-prospects-ahead-of-what-has-been-labelled-the-next-super-draft/news-story/3e632480d76f92ab844973d18586c028

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2 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Buckenara's top 30 in order in the Herald Sun has Valente atĀ 23 and Bytel at 28. Granted it does not take into account club need, academy or F/SĀ concessionsĀ but has Williams (10), O'Halloran (22), Duursma (13) gone before 23Ā but the rest you mention still on the board at that point.Ā 

Based on this being the order interested in which combo you take at the two picks.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-draft-prospects-ahead-of-what-has-been-labelled-the-next-super-draft/news-story/3e632480d76f92ab844973d18586c028

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Sorry. Hs firewall

Hereā€™s Buckyā€™s list ~

1ļ»æ. JACKļ»æĀ LUKOSIUSĀ Key forward, 194cm, 85kg, Woodville-West Torļ»ærens

ļ»æĀ 2. SAM WALSHĀ Midfielder, 183cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons

3. IZAK RANKļ»æļ»æINEĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, West Adelaide

4. BEN KINGĀ Key forward/defender, 202cm, 85kg, Sandringham Dragons

5. BAILEY SMITHĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 79kg, Sandringham Dragonsļ»æ

6. NICK BLAKEYĀ Forward/midfielder, 195cm, 85kg, NSW-ACT/Sydney Swans Academy

7. TARRYN THOMASĀ Midfielder, 189cm, 73kg, North Launcestoncļ»æ

8. MAX KINGĀ ļ»æKey forward, 201cm, 84kg, Sandringham Dragons

9. JACKSON HATELYĀ Half-forward, 190cm, 81kg, Central Districtļ»æ

10. BAILEY WIļ»æLLIAMSĀ Key forward/ruckman, 198cm, 95kg, Dandenong Stingrays

11. CONNOR ROZEEĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 72kg, North Adelaide

ļ»æĀ 12. IAN HILLĀ Small forward, 175cm 76kg, Perth

13. XAVIER DUļ»æURSMAĀ Midfielder/defender, 185cm, 71kg, Gippsland Power

14. CURTIS TAļ»æYLORĀ Half-forward/midfielder, 186cm, 79kg, Calder Cannons

15. LIAM STOCKERĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 83kg, Sandringham Dragons

16. ZAC BUTTERSĀ Midfielder, 181cm, 70kg, Western Jets

Ā 17. RILEY COLLIER-DAWKINSĀ Midfielder, 193cm, 88kg, Oakliegh Chargļ»æers

18. RHYLEE WESTĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 80kg, Calder Cannons

ļ»æĀ 19. EDWARD McHENRYĀ Midfielder/small forward, 176cm, 71kg, Gļ»æeelong Falcons

20. LUKE FOLEYĀ Midfielder, 187cm, 75kg, Subiaco

21. WILL KELLYĀ Key defender, 193cm, 83kg, Oakleigh Chargers

22. XAVIER Oā€™HALLORANĀ Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Western Jetsļ»æ

ļ»æĀ 23. LUKE VALENTEĀ Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Norwood

24. ISAAC QUAYNORĀ Small defender, 182cm, 82kg, Oakleigh Chargers

25. JYE CALDWELLĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 78kg, Bendigo Pioneersļ»æ

26. CHAYCE JONESĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 74kg, Launceston

ļ»æĀ 27. CONNOR McFADYENĀ Midfielder, 190cm, 81kg, Queensland/Brisbane Lions Academy

28. JACK BYTELĀ Midfielder, 188cm, 82kg, Calder Cannons

29. LUKE ENGLISHĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, Perth

30. KIERAN BRIļ»æGGSĀ Ruckmļ»æanļ»æ/key forward, 200cm, 98kg, NSW-ACT/GWS Giants Academļ»æļ»æy

 
1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Hereā€™s Buckyā€™s list ~

1ļ»æ. JACKļ»æĀ LUKOSIUSĀ Key forward, 194cm, 85kg, Woodville-West Torļ»ærens

ļ»æĀ 2. SAM WALSHĀ Midfielder, 183cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons

3. IZAK RANKļ»æļ»æINEĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, West Adelaide

4. BEN KINGĀ Key forward/defender, 202cm, 85kg, Sandringham Dragons

5. BAILEY SMITHĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 79kg, Sandringham Dragonsļ»æ

6. NICK BLAKEYĀ Forward/midfielder, 195cm, 85kg, NSW-ACT/Sydney Swans Academy - Swans

7. TARRYN THOMASĀ Midfielder, 189cm, 73kg, North Launcestonc - Norf

8. MAX KINGĀ ļ»æKey forward, 201cm, 84kg, Sandringham Dragons

9. JACKSON HATELYĀ Half-forward, 190cm, 81kg, Central Districtļ»æ

10. BAILEY WIļ»æLLIAMSĀ Key forward/ruckman, 198cm, 95kg, Dandenong Stingrays

11. CONNOR ROZEEĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 72kg, North Adelaide

ļ»æĀ 12. IAN HILLĀ Small forward, 175cm 76kg, Perth

13. XAVIER DUļ»æURSMAĀ Midfielder/defender, 185cm, 71kg, Gippsland Power

14. CURTIS TAļ»æYLORĀ Half-forward/midfielder, 186cm, 79kg, Calder Cannons

15. LIAM STOCKERĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 83kg, Sandringham Dragons

16. ZAC BUTTERSĀ Midfielder, 181cm, 70kg, Western Jets

Ā 17. RILEY COLLIER-DAWKINSĀ Midfielder, 193cm, 88kg, Oakliegh Chargļ»æers

18. RHYLEE WESTĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 80kg, Calder Cannons - Dogs

ļ»æĀ 19. EDWARD McHENRYĀ Midfielder/small forward, 176cm, 71kg, Gļ»æeelong Falcons

20. LUKE FOLEYĀ Midfielder, 187cm, 75kg, Subiaco

21. WILL KELLYĀ Key defender, 193cm, 83kg, Oakleigh Chargers - Pies

22. XAVIER Oā€™HALLORANĀ Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Western Jetsļ»æ

ļ»æĀ 23. LUKE VALENTEĀ Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Norwood

24. ISAAC QUAYNORĀ Small defender, 182cm, 82kg, Oakleigh Chargers - Pies

25. JYE CALDWELLĀ Midfielder, 184cm, 78kg, Bendigo Pioneersļ»æ

26. CHAYCE JONESĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 74kg, Launceston

ļ»æĀ 27. CONNOR McFADYENĀ Midfielder, 190cm, 81kg, Queensland/Brisbane Lions Academy

28. JACK BYTELĀ Midfielder, 188cm, 82kg, Calder Cannons

29. LUKE ENGLISHĀ Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, Perth

30. KIERAN BRIļ»æGGSĀ Ruckmļ»æanļ»æ/key forward, 200cm, 98kg, NSW-ACT/GWS Giants Academļ»æļ»æy

Academy and F/S selections that will push our picks back a bit.Ā Ā Did I miss any?

Edited by Fifty-5


14 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

do people think we will package up our picks?

Jordan Clark not in top 30. Grab with 28

On 10/20/2018 at 1:45 AM, ChaserJ said:

Bailey Williams has been on the fringes of the first round for much of the year. Has drifted out of the conversation for the top 25 or so, but has potential as a tall forward.

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I like the idea of a tall who can rise above the opponents bodies to mark, only as a tall forward. not a ruckman. These type talls are too easily stopped in ruck duels, by stopping their run at the contest.

Young rucks with this sizable advantage in leap, usually struggle in the bigger leagues... and AFL finals.

Somewhere in the draft, will be a tall forward who goes well by using his body size/strength/aggression... rather than natural spring for advantage.

Edited by DV8

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On 10/20/2018 at 8:04 PM, monoccular said:

Might need to sharpen up his disposal and his set shots.

Is Duursma a descendent of Jamie Duursma from the Demon teams of the 80s-90s? Ā I seem to remember him doing a great job on Brereton on a big game.

And Valente / Valenti ? Ā Related to Shane - not sure if it is exactly the same name.

Duursma - yes related, not sure if son or nephew ?

Velenti - no.


4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Why?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

Honestly if Clark slips down and can grab at 23 he will be what we need. Watch a lot of his school footy and Claremont. Will be a star !

28 minutes ago, Dirts said:

Honestly if Clark slips down and can grab at 23 he will be what we need. Watch a lot of his school footy and Claremont. Will be a star !

As in jordan clark?

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know anything about this kid, but imagine if Hawthorn felt similarly about Cyril Rioli in 2007.Ā 

Imagine if we felt the same about Clayton Oliver when he was a chubby kid who couldn't make the Vic Country squads.


28 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know anything about this kid, but imagine if Hawthorn felt similarly about Cyril Rioli in 2007.Ā 

Imagine if we felt the same about Clayton Oliver when he was a chubby kid who couldn't make the Vic Country squads.

Both weren't disciplined for poor training standards. If anything both Cyril and Oliver were driven individuals in the final years if junior footy.

Again, if we got rid of Jack Watts for poor training standards then this kid wont be picked up by us.

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Might be another WA furphy...

I'm sure we all remember Jack Darling.

I also remember Harley Bennell as well.

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Both weren't disciplined for poor training standards. If anything both Cyril and Oliver were driven individuals in the final years if junior footy.

Again, if we got rid of Jack Watts for poor training standards then this kid wont be picked up by us.

I remember an article that said mid year Oliver didn't even know there was a draft combine. After that he certainly improved a lot with extra fitness sessions but the article you posted was from July 1. I'm much more interested to know what Stack has done in the 5 months since than ruling him out from July.Ā 

Cyril broke his arm in year 12. He didn't do any distance running at the draft camp and had terrible skin folds. He was picked on the basis of his year 10 and year 11 school footy and his pedigree as much as anything. The only thing the Hawks knew was that he stuck around for 4 years of boarding school - even if he did very little schooling, so he was probably going to stick around in Melbourne. They backed in Clarkson, their fitness coach, Chance Bateman's leadership and their culture.Ā 

Watts getting moved on at 26 shouldn't have any bearing on 18 year olds in the draft.

47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I remember an article that said mid year Oliver didn't even know there was a draft combine. After that he certainly improved a lot with extra fitness sessions but the article you posted was from July 1. I'm much more interested to know what Stack has done in the 5 months since than ruling him out from July.Ā 

Cyril broke his arm in year 12. He didn't do any distance running at the draft camp and had terrible skin folds. He was picked on the basis of his year 10 and year 11 school footy and his pedigree as much as anything. The only thing the Hawks knew was that he stuck around for 4 years of boarding school - even if he did very little schooling, so he was probably going to stick around in Melbourne. They backed in Clarkson, their fitness coach, Chance Bateman's leadership and their culture.Ā 

Watts getting moved on at 26 shouldn't have any bearing on 18 year olds in the draft.

Well i can definitely confirm that is completely untrue,Ā  as there were clubs already taking notice of Oliver when heĀ was playing in the murray busrangers practice matches after battling through OP, Melbourne included. When there was interest of up to 10 clubsĀ mid year and he ramped up his training program by doing extra PT sessions outside of football hours.

And as you say, Cyril had already spent 4 years in Melbourne, so he wasn't in a new territory when drafted by a Melbourne club.

No it shouldn't, but it also shows Goody doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to standards and professionalism and will happily move you on whoever name you are.Ā 

We are a club thats on a serious mission to win a flag. Competitors and driven individuals will be high on Goodys and Jason Taylors shopping list come draft time.

But an indigenous young player from WA who's missed games through disciplinary reason is already a red line for me straight up.Ā 


17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well i can definitely confirm that is completely untrue,Ā  as there were clubs already taking notice of Oliver when heĀ was playing in the murray busrangers practice matches after battling through OP, Melbourne included. When there was interest of up to 10 clubsĀ mid year and he ramped up his training program by doing extra PT sessions outside of football hours.

And as you say, Cyril had already spent 4 years in Melbourne, so he wasn't in a new territory when drafted by a Melbourne club.

No it shouldn't, but it also shows Goody doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to standards and professionalism and will happily move you on whoever name you are.Ā 

We are a club thats on a serious mission to win a flag. Competitors and driven individuals will be high on Goodys and Jason Taylors shopping list come draft tiļ»æme.

But an indigenous young player from WA who's missed games through disciplinary reason is already a red line for me straight up.Ā 

Couldn't find the exact article I remember reading but here's one from Oliver saying he was unsure what the draft combine meant and shocked to know 5 clubs were interested mid season. Clubs had interest in him but that doesn't mean he knew anything about professionalism and the AFL system. Plus he admitsĀ his skin folds were 96 after the TAC season!Ā 

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/shepparton-news/20151120/282557312108186

Here's a story on Roos and the demons team recruiting Oliver. They put time in to learning about his family and his background. Then they set him up to live with the Brayshaw's and then Vanders/Trengove to develop his professionalism. Plus training with guys like Stretch.Ā 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/from-a-parma-and-chips-to-an-afl-star-the-twisting-tale-of-melbourne-young-gun-clayton-oliver/news-story/e851d6ee0121dc71193c34897e04ba67

I think it's fair to say Indigenous players are more likely to suffer homesickness and missing training and being sat out for a game is a red flag but a red line is too much unless you have more to go on. It's the equivalent of ruling a player out on a bad highlights package instead of just putting it down as a concern and doing more research.

Keep thinking Bailey Williams is more likely to be gone by our pick. Lots of teams after his style of player. Ruckman and key forward. Paddy Ryder type versatility.Ā 

Interesting to hear that Valente & Duursma are among the 20 kids invited to day 1 of the draft and Ian Hill & Curtis Taylor, who have both been comfortably ranked inside the top 20 for the last year or so, areĀ not.Ā 

Dees could have some handy players slide to 23 & 28.

Some more names to consider:

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2018-draft-board-power-rankings-26-to-50-the-hidden-gems-that-loom-as-draft-bargains/news-story/9f1044dcf7c125149ed2139eaa5108e3?__twitter_impression=true

Edited by ChaserJ

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I watched a bit of the TAC GF and, it might've been a bad day but thought Bailey Williams kicking was tres ordinaire. Other than that was great mark and had quite a good game sense. The kicking reminded me a little of our very own Sam Frost, but like I said, might've been an off day.


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