On 02/11/2018 at 21:41, spirit of norm smith said:

Just read that Jones could be rated top 10-12  

Geelong likely at pick 12.  

Maybe someone like Liam Stocker might slide and still be there at 23.

Buckenara's top 30 in order in the Herald Sun has Valente at 23 and Bytel at 28. Granted it does not take into account club need, academy or F/S concessions but has Williams (10), O'Halloran (22), Duursma (13) gone before 23 but the rest you mention still on the board at that point. 

Based on this being the order interested in which combo you take at the two picks.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-draft-prospects-ahead-of-what-has-been-labelled-the-next-super-draft/news-story/3e632480d76f92ab844973d18586c028

 

  On 03/11/2018 at 01:06, big_red_fire_engine said:

Buckenara's top 30 in order in the Herald Sun has Valente at 23 and Bytel at 28. Granted it does not take into account club need, academy or F/S concessions but has Williams (10), O'Halloran (22), Duursma (13) gone before 23 but the rest you mention still on the board at that point. 

Based on this being the order interested in which combo you take at the two picks.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-draft-prospects-ahead-of-what-has-been-labelled-the-next-super-draft/news-story/3e632480d76f92ab844973d18586c028

 

Sorry. Hs firewall

Here’s Bucky’s list ~

1. JACK LUKOSIUS Key forward, 194cm, 85kg, Woodville-West Torrens

 2. SAM WALSH Midfielder, 183cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons

3. IZAK RANKINE Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, West Adelaide

4. BEN KING Key forward/defender, 202cm, 85kg, Sandringham Dragons

5. BAILEY SMITH Midfielder, 184cm, 79kg, Sandringham Dragons

6. NICK BLAKEY Forward/midfielder, 195cm, 85kg, NSW-ACT/Sydney Swans Academy

7. TARRYN THOMAS Midfielder, 189cm, 73kg, North Launcestonc

8. MAX KING Key forward, 201cm, 84kg, Sandringham Dragons

9. JACKSON HATELY Half-forward, 190cm, 81kg, Central District

10. BAILEY WILLIAMS Key forward/ruckman, 198cm, 95kg, Dandenong Stingrays

11. CONNOR ROZEE Midfielder, 184cm, 72kg, North Adelaide

 12. IAN HILL Small forward, 175cm 76kg, Perth

13. XAVIER DUURSMA Midfielder/defender, 185cm, 71kg, Gippsland Power

14. CURTIS TAYLOR Half-forward/midfielder, 186cm, 79kg, Calder Cannons

15. LIAM STOCKER Midfielder, 184cm, 83kg, Sandringham Dragons

16. ZAC BUTTERS Midfielder, 181cm, 70kg, Western Jets

 17. RILEY COLLIER-DAWKINS Midfielder, 193cm, 88kg, Oakliegh Chargers

18. RHYLEE WEST Midfielder, 180cm, 80kg, Calder Cannons

 19. EDWARD McHENRY Midfielder/small forward, 176cm, 71kg, Geelong Falcons

20. LUKE FOLEY Midfielder, 187cm, 75kg, Subiaco

21. WILL KELLY Key defender, 193cm, 83kg, Oakleigh Chargers

22. XAVIER O’HALLORAN Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Western Jets

 23. LUKE VALENTE Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Norwood

24. ISAAC QUAYNOR Small defender, 182cm, 82kg, Oakleigh Chargers

25. JYE CALDWELL Midfielder, 184cm, 78kg, Bendigo Pioneers

26. CHAYCE JONES Midfielder, 180cm, 74kg, Launceston

 27. CONNOR McFADYEN Midfielder, 190cm, 81kg, Queensland/Brisbane Lions Academy

28. JACK BYTEL Midfielder, 188cm, 82kg, Calder Cannons

29. LUKE ENGLISH Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, Perth

30. KIERAN BRIGGS Ruckman/key forward, 200cm, 98kg, NSW-ACT/GWS Giants Academy

  On 03/11/2018 at 04:20, Whispering_Jack said:

Here’s Bucky’s list ~

1. JACK LUKOSIUS Key forward, 194cm, 85kg, Woodville-West Torrens

 2. SAM WALSH Midfielder, 183cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons

3. IZAK RANKINE Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, West Adelaide

4. BEN KING Key forward/defender, 202cm, 85kg, Sandringham Dragons

5. BAILEY SMITH Midfielder, 184cm, 79kg, Sandringham Dragons

6. NICK BLAKEY Forward/midfielder, 195cm, 85kg, NSW-ACT/Sydney Swans Academy - Swans

7. TARRYN THOMAS Midfielder, 189cm, 73kg, North Launcestonc - Norf

8. MAX KING Key forward, 201cm, 84kg, Sandringham Dragons

9. JACKSON HATELY Half-forward, 190cm, 81kg, Central District

10. BAILEY WILLIAMS Key forward/ruckman, 198cm, 95kg, Dandenong Stingrays

11. CONNOR ROZEE Midfielder, 184cm, 72kg, North Adelaide

 12. IAN HILL Small forward, 175cm 76kg, Perth

13. XAVIER DUURSMA Midfielder/defender, 185cm, 71kg, Gippsland Power

14. CURTIS TAYLOR Half-forward/midfielder, 186cm, 79kg, Calder Cannons

15. LIAM STOCKER Midfielder, 184cm, 83kg, Sandringham Dragons

16. ZAC BUTTERS Midfielder, 181cm, 70kg, Western Jets

 17. RILEY COLLIER-DAWKINS Midfielder, 193cm, 88kg, Oakliegh Chargers

18. RHYLEE WEST Midfielder, 180cm, 80kg, Calder Cannons - Dogs

 19. EDWARD McHENRY Midfielder/small forward, 176cm, 71kg, Geelong Falcons

20. LUKE FOLEY Midfielder, 187cm, 75kg, Subiaco

21. WILL KELLY Key defender, 193cm, 83kg, Oakleigh Chargers - Pies

22. XAVIER O’HALLORAN Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Western Jets

 23. LUKE VALENTE Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Norwood

24. ISAAC QUAYNOR Small defender, 182cm, 82kg, Oakleigh Chargers - Pies

25. JYE CALDWELL Midfielder, 184cm, 78kg, Bendigo Pioneers

26. CHAYCE JONES Midfielder, 180cm, 74kg, Launceston

 27. CONNOR McFADYEN Midfielder, 190cm, 81kg, Queensland/Brisbane Lions Academy

28. JACK BYTEL Midfielder, 188cm, 82kg, Calder Cannons

29. LUKE ENGLISH Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg, Perth

30. KIERAN BRIGGS Ruckman/key forward, 200cm, 98kg, NSW-ACT/GWS Giants Academy

Academy and F/S selections that will push our picks back a bit.  Did I miss any?

Edited November 3, 20186 yr by Fifty-5

do people think we will package up our picks?

  On 03/11/2018 at 06:46, Dr.D said:

do people think we will package up our picks?

Jordan Clark not in top 30. Grab with 28

  On 03/11/2018 at 07:01, Dirts said:

Jordan Clark not in top 30. Grab with 28

Should be in the real top 30, possible top 20.

  On 19/10/2018 at 14:45, ChaserJ said:

Bailey Williams has been on the fringes of the first round for much of the year. Has drifted out of the conversation for the top 25 or so, but has potential as a tall forward.

 

I like the idea of a tall who can rise above the opponents bodies to mark, only as a tall forward. not a ruckman. These type talls are too easily stopped in ruck duels, by stopping their run at the contest.

Young rucks with this sizable advantage in leap, usually struggle in the bigger leagues... and AFL finals.

Somewhere in the draft, will be a tall forward who goes well by using his body size/strength/aggression... rather than natural spring for advantage.

Edited November 3, 20186 yr by DV8

  On 20/10/2018 at 09:04, monoccular said:

Might need to sharpen up his disposal and his set shots.

Is Duursma a descendent of Jamie Duursma from the Demon teams of the 80s-90s?  I seem to remember him doing a great job on Brereton on a big game.

And Valente / Valenti ?  Related to Shane - not sure if it is exactly the same name.

Duursma - yes related, not sure if son or nephew ?

Velenti - no.

Steer well away from Sydney Stack.

  On 03/11/2018 at 12:49, dazzledavey36 said:

Steer well away from Sydney Stack.

Why?

  On 03/11/2018 at 21:31, Whispering_Jack said:

Why?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

  On 04/11/2018 at 02:01, dazzledavey36 said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

Honestly if Clark slips down and can grab at 23 he will be what we need. Watch a lot of his school footy and Claremont. Will be a star !

  On 04/11/2018 at 02:20, Dirts said:

Honestly if Clark slips down and can grab at 23 he will be what we need. Watch a lot of his school footy and Claremont. Will be a star !

As in jordan clark?

  On 04/11/2018 at 02:01, dazzledavey36 said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

If he cant do the basics at junior level then forget him trying to do the real hard stuff at AFL level. Especially in Melbourne away from his family in Perth.

We are in a critical stage right now of trying to win a premiership. Goodwin and Mahoney will only want players that are absolutely driven to help this club succeed on and off field. The days of the Jack Watts coasting at training are over.

He won't fit into our system.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know anything about this kid, but imagine if Hawthorn felt similarly about Cyril Rioli in 2007. 

Imagine if we felt the same about Clayton Oliver when he was a chubby kid who couldn't make the Vic Country squads.

  On 04/11/2018 at 02:01, dazzledavey36 said:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wa-gun-left-out-of-championships-opener-for-disciplinary-reasons-20180601-p4zizt.html

 

Might be another WA furphy...

I'm sure we all remember Jack Darling.

  On 04/11/2018 at 05:27, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know anything about this kid, but imagine if Hawthorn felt similarly about Cyril Rioli in 2007. 

Imagine if we felt the same about Clayton Oliver when he was a chubby kid who couldn't make the Vic Country squads.

Both weren't disciplined for poor training standards. If anything both Cyril and Oliver were driven individuals in the final years if junior footy.

Again, if we got rid of Jack Watts for poor training standards then this kid wont be picked up by us.

  On 04/11/2018 at 05:55, rjay said:

Might be another WA furphy...

I'm sure we all remember Jack Darling.

I also remember Harley Bennell as well.

  On 04/11/2018 at 05:56, dazzledavey36 said:

Both weren't disciplined for poor training standards. If anything both Cyril and Oliver were driven individuals in the final years if junior footy.

Again, if we got rid of Jack Watts for poor training standards then this kid wont be picked up by us.

I remember an article that said mid year Oliver didn't even know there was a draft combine. After that he certainly improved a lot with extra fitness sessions but the article you posted was from July 1. I'm much more interested to know what Stack has done in the 5 months since than ruling him out from July. 

Cyril broke his arm in year 12. He didn't do any distance running at the draft camp and had terrible skin folds. He was picked on the basis of his year 10 and year 11 school footy and his pedigree as much as anything. The only thing the Hawks knew was that he stuck around for 4 years of boarding school - even if he did very little schooling, so he was probably going to stick around in Melbourne. They backed in Clarkson, their fitness coach, Chance Bateman's leadership and their culture. 

Watts getting moved on at 26 shouldn't have any bearing on 18 year olds in the draft.

  On 04/11/2018 at 06:31, DeeSpencer said:

I remember an article that said mid year Oliver didn't even know there was a draft combine. After that he certainly improved a lot with extra fitness sessions but the article you posted was from July 1. I'm much more interested to know what Stack has done in the 5 months since than ruling him out from July. 

Cyril broke his arm in year 12. He didn't do any distance running at the draft camp and had terrible skin folds. He was picked on the basis of his year 10 and year 11 school footy and his pedigree as much as anything. The only thing the Hawks knew was that he stuck around for 4 years of boarding school - even if he did very little schooling, so he was probably going to stick around in Melbourne. They backed in Clarkson, their fitness coach, Chance Bateman's leadership and their culture. 

Watts getting moved on at 26 shouldn't have any bearing on 18 year olds in the draft.

Well i can definitely confirm that is completely untrue,  as there were clubs already taking notice of Oliver when he was playing in the murray busrangers practice matches after battling through OP, Melbourne included. When there was interest of up to 10 clubs mid year and he ramped up his training program by doing extra PT sessions outside of football hours.

And as you say, Cyril had already spent 4 years in Melbourne, so he wasn't in a new territory when drafted by a Melbourne club.

No it shouldn't, but it also shows Goody doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to standards and professionalism and will happily move you on whoever name you are. 

We are a club thats on a serious mission to win a flag. Competitors and driven individuals will be high on Goodys and Jason Taylors shopping list come draft time.

But an indigenous young player from WA who's missed games through disciplinary reason is already a red line for me straight up. 

  On 04/11/2018 at 07:27, dazzledavey36 said:

Well i can definitely confirm that is completely untrue,  as there were clubs already taking notice of Oliver when he was playing in the murray busrangers practice matches after battling through OP, Melbourne included. When there was interest of up to 10 clubs mid year and he ramped up his training program by doing extra PT sessions outside of football hours.

And as you say, Cyril had already spent 4 years in Melbourne, so he wasn't in a new territory when drafted by a Melbourne club.

No it shouldn't, but it also shows Goody doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to standards and professionalism and will happily move you on whoever name you are. 

We are a club thats on a serious mission to win a flag. Competitors and driven individuals will be high on Goodys and Jason Taylors shopping list come draft time.

But an indigenous young player from WA who's missed games through disciplinary reason is already a red line for me straight up. 

Couldn't find the exact article I remember reading but here's one from Oliver saying he was unsure what the draft combine meant and shocked to know 5 clubs were interested mid season. Clubs had interest in him but that doesn't mean he knew anything about professionalism and the AFL system. Plus he admits his skin folds were 96 after the TAC season! 

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/shepparton-news/20151120/282557312108186

Here's a story on Roos and the demons team recruiting Oliver. They put time in to learning about his family and his background. Then they set him up to live with the Brayshaw's and then Vanders/Trengove to develop his professionalism. Plus training with guys like Stretch. 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/from-a-parma-and-chips-to-an-afl-star-the-twisting-tale-of-melbourne-young-gun-clayton-oliver/news-story/e851d6ee0121dc71193c34897e04ba67

I think it's fair to say Indigenous players are more likely to suffer homesickness and missing training and being sat out for a game is a red flag but a red line is too much unless you have more to go on. It's the equivalent of ruling a player out on a bad highlights package instead of just putting it down as a concern and doing more research.

Keep thinking Bailey Williams is more likely to be gone by our pick. Lots of teams after his style of player. Ruckman and key forward. Paddy Ryder type versatility. 

Interesting to hear that Valente & Duursma are among the 20 kids invited to day 1 of the draft and Ian Hill & Curtis Taylor, who have both been comfortably ranked inside the top 20 for the last year or so, are not. 

Dees could have some handy players slide to 23 & 28.

Some more names to consider:

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2018-draft-board-power-rankings-26-to-50-the-hidden-gems-that-loom-as-draft-bargains/news-story/9f1044dcf7c125149ed2139eaa5108e3?__twitter_impression=true

Edited November 4, 20186 yr by ChaserJ

  On 18/10/2018 at 07:06, Dr.D said:

i like the look of ned mchenry and i think jason taylor would too.

Can play, can't kick

 

I watched a bit of the TAC GF and, it might've been a bad day but thought Bailey Williams kicking was tres ordinaire. Other than that was great mark and had quite a good game sense. The kicking reminded me a little of our very own Sam Frost, but like I said, might've been an off day.