Amazingly, Scimshaw is the player the Suns drafted with the pick received from the Tigers as part of the Prestia trade. 

Essentially means that Gold Coast have given away two top ten selections all for a third round pick in next years draft.

Edited October 16, 20186 yr by Demon Jack

  On 16/10/2018 at 00:15, Win4theAges said:

Toumpas =painful memories, goes to show you how awesome our recruiting department was back then, couldn't pick a stunner at a beauty pageant our former recruiting team.

True to a point.

The Toumpas case is a but of a sad story and in retrospect who really knows where its all went wrong.  Poor development support at the club post drafting him?  Perhaps part of it, but Jack Viney was drafted and part of our playing list at the same time and he has turned out ok I think.  

I'm no complete expert recruiter, but I thought that Toumpas looked the goods when we drafted him, to the point that our present recruiting team may also have drafted him.  He certainly ticked a big box with me, which I would have thought Taylor etc would also rate, to the extent that he had played well at state level finals against men in SA.

Main point is recruiting 18 year olds in the national draft is somewhat of a lottrie and that proven mature players the likes of Hogan should attract a premium over raw rookies, particularly as a KPP.

Hogan is that far ahead of his contemporaries it's not funny.  Josh Schache was pick 2, best he has produced in a 17 game season was 16 goals.  Tom Boyd a number 1 pick kicked 16 goals from 14 games in the Bulldogs premiership year, but hasn't come close to that since.  Jessy Hogan kicked over 40 goals in each of his first two years when the MFC were just as bad, if not worse than Brisbane.  He kicked 20 goals from 10 games in 2017 and close to 50 goals this year as well as racking up possessions galore up the ground.  All things being equal, I'd say Jesse has even better to come. 

To say Jesse Hogan isn't worth two first round draft picks an $8M over 8 years is total crap.  The only reason I'd hesitate if I had solid medical evidence his foot is totally Fcked, which I don't think anyone has.  Just thinking about it, this uncertainty regarding his injury may mean that this is the worst time for all parties to consider trading him, which may even have been part of the MFC's thinking all along.

Scrimshaw was virtually delisted

He sounds like a familiar story to a demon fan. Lots of raw talent but either doesn't like to work or is always injured. Apparently Lloyd coached him at Halibury and could never get him on the track and firing. They have been unable to get anything out of him at GC and are prepared to trade him for nothing. Doesn't sound promising. 

  On 16/10/2018 at 01:25, DeeSpencer said:

The biggest stitch up was that he was contracted for 2 more years at 400k and the Suns were keen to get out of the contract.

First year was pretty solid. Looks like a guy who checked out last year 

ah... there's often a catch

wonder who's paying the salary?

  On 16/10/2018 at 03:21, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

True to a point.

The Toumpas case is a but of a sad story and in retrospect who really knows where its all went wrong.  Poor development support at the club post drafting him?  Perhaps part of it, but Jack Viney was drafted and part of our playing list at the same time and he has turned out ok I think.  

I'm no complete expert recruiter, but I thought that Toumpas looked the goods when we drafted him, to the point that our present recruiting team may also have drafted him.  He certainly ticked a big box with me, which I would have thought Taylor etc would also rate, to the extent that he had played well at state level finals against men in SA.

Main point is recruiting 18 year olds in the national draft is somewhat of a lottrie and that proven mature players the likes of Hogan should attract a premium over raw rookies, particularly as a KPP.

Hogan is that far ahead of his contemporaries it's not funny.  Josh Schache was pick 2, best he has produced in a 17 game season was 16 goals.  Tom Boyd a number 1 pick kicked 16 goals from 14 games in the Bulldogs premiership year, but hasn't come close to that since.  Jessy Hogan kicked over 40 goals in each of his first two years when the MFC were just as bad, if not worse than Brisbane.  He kicked 20 goals from 10 games in 2017 and close to 50 goals this year as well as racking up possessions galore up the ground.  All things being equal, I'd say Jesse has even better to come. 

To say Jesse Hogan isn't worth two first round draft picks an $8M over 8 years is total crap.  The only reason I'd hesitate if I had solid medical evidence his foot is totally Fcked, which I don't think anyone has.  Just thinking about it, this uncertainty regarding his injury may mean that this is the worst time for all parties to consider trading him, which may even have been part of the MFC's thinking all along.

I agree with your thoughts on Toump to a point, going back a few years now but wasn't he recruited knowing he needed surgery on his hip? 

Alarm bells should have been ringing at that stage, hips are very troublesome ask Bo Jackson of NFL and MLB fame.

Toumps game was built around speed on the outside, once he lost it all areas of his game were shot to pieces eg. decision making, kicking, handballing, awareness( hearing footsteps).

Never the same player you and i saw play for the Eagles in the SANFL.

  On 16/10/2018 at 05:29, Win4theAges said:

I agree with your thoughts on Toump to a point, going back a few years now but wasn't he recruited knowing he needed surgery on his hip? 

Alarm bells should have been ringing at that stage, hips are very troublesome ask Bo Jackson of NFL and MLB fame.

Toumps game was built around speed on the outside, once he lost it all areas of his game were shot to pieces eg. decision making, kicking, handballing, awareness( hearing footsteps).

Never the same player you and i saw play for the Eagles in the SANFL.

his eagles and under 18s seasons were fantastic, and i thought we had an absolute gun with pick #4

alas...

Heard he has a pea heart and won’t put in..but loves the hawks so who knows?  Hawks taking some interesting risks with Scumbag Scully (big contract, smashed ankle) and scrimshaw (all talent, no heart).  Lets see how they get on with the other ‘mentally questioned’ inbounded from Kochies slave palace?

  On 16/10/2018 at 06:09, buck_nekkid said:

Heard he has a pea heart and won’t put in..but loves the hawks so who knows?  Hawks taking some interesting risks with Scumbag Scully (big contract, smashed ankle) and scrimshaw (all talent, no heart).  Lets see how they get on with the other ‘mentally questioned’ inbounded from Kochies slave palace?

If Scully ever makes it back onto the feild against us, I hope his entire body is smashed, not just his ankle.  Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Vanders, Jetta, Harmes, Melksham, Hibberd, Jones - just line him up and treat him like a human pinball or rag doll, like some of the hard but fair hits that Nev, Vanders and Lewis did on Selwood, Mitchell and Worpel.

Just looking at Scully in a Hawks jumper and he is even more hitable and despisable. Turd brown strips suits his persona perfectly.

  On 16/10/2018 at 07:21, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

If Scully ever makes it back onto the feild against us, I hope his entire body is smashed, not just his ankle.  Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Vanders, Jetta, Harmes, Melksham, Hibberd, Jones - just line him up and treat him like a human pinball or rag doll, like some of the hard but fair hits that Nev, Vanders and Lewis did on Selwood, Mitchell and Worpel.

Just looking at Scully in a Hawks jumper and he is even more hitable and despisable. Turd brown strips suits his persona perfectly.

It is going to be juicy seeing him being smashed from pilliar to post in that horrible guernsey.

I hope Nevvie smacks 7 shades of shyte right off your smug little pin head if he ends up playing.

Off to Hawthorn.

  On 17/10/2018 at 06:59, Whispering_Jack said:

Off to Hawthorn.

Yep...

Bit slow to the table WJ..?

I get the feeling Hawthorn just found themselves another Jonathan O'Rourke........

I think this kid is likely a bust.