53 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Should we make mention of the fact that Gawn used to smoke on the way to training, vomited on Tom Scully due to intoxication and [censored] about for a number of years before the penny dropped? Or that Harmes has publicly admitted that up until the 2018 pre-season, he was never in the condition he needed to be in? Or maybe that Jetta needed a wake-up call by being delisted and given a rookie lifeline to seize his opportunity and put the required work in?

Great post Steve. I believe it's questionable however as to whether it was intoxication that was the cause of Maxy spewing on $cumbag. I think it's just another example of good judgement.

@Flag Favourites 3019may have drawn a long bow to compare Hogan to Watts and Sylvia but he was merely noting that another talent may go begging and that we are better off for the Hogan/May trade.

Remember this was is first post.  He made some well expressed good points and praised the club for their work.  Let's cut him some slack so that he feels free to post again without attracting harsh judgement or implication of NFI.

Edited December 18, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

43 minutes ago, deeology said:

Sorry but Steve is already right on this one. Hogans work while at the MFC is proof he was a hard working professional. Add going down to the Holden centre nearly every day by himself to work on his goal kicking and going to watch other AFL games to study how other forwards worked.

He may well fall off the cliff but who would blame him. Only people with NFI.

I don’t doubt that he has been a wonderful trainer but training is only half of what it takes to reach your full potential. Being a great AFL football is a full time job. He has been a party boy with poor body language since his inception. The tragic circumstances of recent do not change that...He started off well but where’s the exponential development we all expected (and yes I acknowledge he’s been played up the ground last year)...Time will tell, that comment is fair.

Very happy to eat humble pie. Yes his life has been hard, that goes without saying surely....

Edited December 18, 20186 yr by Flag Favourites 3019

Off his chops at The Ice Cream Factory, classic Hogan. Looks like he’s having a seizure. 

Edited December 18, 20186 yr by Ethan Tremblay

1 hour ago, Flag Favourites 3019 said:

Time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong.

You're already wrong. 

The main point in my post is that our team is better off with May than Hogan. To say I’m wrong when we haven’t played a season is simply ridiculous.

 

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

..............

Should we make mention of the fact that Gawn used to smoke on the way to training, vomited on Tom Scully due to intoxication and [censored] about for a number of years before the penny dropped?

He is 23 years old, think about that for minute.

............

I agree with almost everything you wrote aside from the vomiting on Tom Scully as if it was a bad thing. 

1 hour ago, Flag Favourites 3019 said:

Time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong.

Hogan may never reach his potential, you're right.

But that'll have nothing to do with a 'laziness' or 'arrogance' as you suggested in your sentence below.

 "While I wish Hogan all the best and still think he will be an okay footballer, he screams of Watts and Sylvia 2.0. All young players oozing with talent (and taken at high picks) who drank their own cool aid before putting in the hard yards to become the champions they all had the potential to become. "

 

59 minutes ago, Flag Favourites 3019 said:

Very happy to eat humble pie. Yes his life has been hard, that goes without saying surely....

No, it doesn't go without saying. It's at the very centre of this debate.

Ones perspective on life changes dramatically after experiencing the death of a parent at the age of 22. 

I can't begin to explain how much you're underestimating that.

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

@Flag Favourites 3019may have drawn a long bow to compare Hogan to Watts and Sylvia but he was merely noting that another talent may go begging and that we are better off for the Hogan/May trade.

Remember this was is first post.  He made some well expressed good points and praised the club for their work.  Let's cut him some slack so that he feels free to post again without attracting harsh judgement or implication of NFI.

I didn't say he had NFI, I'm talking about anyone who thinks Hogan should just get on with it and act like a professional as his getting paid so much money ect ect. 

Majority of his post was excellent but he started his very 1st post with "mark my words",  screams of old poster RR / ETD.

23 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Hogan may never reach his potential, you're right.

But that'll have nothing to do with a 'laziness' or 'arrogance' as you suggested in your sentence below.

 "While I wish Hogan all the best and still think he will be an okay footballer, he screams of Watts and Sylvia 2.0. All young players oozing with talent (and taken at high picks) who drank their own cool aid before putting in the hard yards to become the champions they all had the potential to become. "

 

No, it doesn't go without saying. It's at the very centre of this debate.

Ones perspective on life changes dramatically after experiencing the death of a parent at the age of 22. 

I can't begin to explain how much you're underestimating that.

I said he wasn’t willing to put in the hard yards to become a champion not just an okay or good footballer.

Hard yards includes behaviour at training, on game day AND outside of that. His behaviour on the weekends and time off (which we all know too well in Perth) since he joined MFC and not just after tragic events demonstrates my point exactly.

Further, talks about his poor body language and arrogant swagger on game day have been consistent throughout his career, not just after tragic events.

 

Edited December 18, 20186 yr by Flag Favourites 3019

7 minutes ago, deeology said:

I didn't say he had NFI, I'm talking about anyone who thinks Hogan should just get on with it and act like a professional as his getting paid so much money ect ect. 

Majority of his post was excellent but he started his very 1st post with "mark my words",  screams of old poster RR / ETD.

Can confirm I am not those people. Long time lurker and Melbourne supporter from Perth.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Off his chops at The Ice Cream Factory, classic Hogan. Looks like he’s having a seizure. 

How much ice cream do you have to eat to get as drunk as that?!

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

How much ice cream do you have to eat to get as drunk as that?!

Maybe he just had a really bad ice-cream headache? 

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

@Flag Favourites 3019may have drawn a long bow to compare Hogan to Watts and Sylvia but he was merely noting that another talent may go begging and that we are better off for the Hogan/May trade.

Remember this was is first post.  He made some well expressed good points and praised the club for their work.  Let's cut him some slack so that he feels free to post again without attracting harsh judgement or implication of NFI.

We at Melbourne are not so good in turning our young elite recruits into top flight players. . see 'Trapper', and many many others since him.

IMO we accord them way too high a profile, in social forums...  allowing them to drink their own cool-aid when out in social gatherings, amongst their peer social groups.

 

YET, of our other not so shiny talents... most do very well in their efforts to grow as players, and as people.  > see Jonesy.

This club has a habit of drowning its teenage elite recruits,  'in-self'.

3 minutes ago, DV8 said:

We at Melbourne are not so good in turning our young elite recruits into top flight players. . see 'Trapper', and many many others since him.

IMO we accord them way too high a profile, in social forums...  allowing them to drink their own cool-aid when out in social gatherings, amongst their peer social groups.

 

YET, of our other not so shiny talents... most do very well in their efforts to grow as players, and as people.  > see Jonesy.

This club has a habit of drowning its teenage elite recruits,  'in-self'.

Well said.

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

How much ice cream do you have to eat to get as drunk as that?!

Not much. Rum and Mushroom, or other vegetarian ice cream, I imagine would do the trick.

Point is, he looks wasted.  Head on girlfriends lap. In his first preseason with his hometown club.

 

I like Jesse... and feel for him, but this isn't the way forward for him, his club, and his footy career.

Edited December 18, 20186 yr by DV8

9 minutes ago, DV8 said:

We at Melbourne are not so good in turning our young elite recruits into top flight players. . see 'Trapper', and many many others since him.

IMO we accord them way too high a profile, in social forums...  allowing them to drink their own cool-aid when out in social gatherings, amongst their peer social groups.

 

YET, of our other not so shiny talents... most do very well in their efforts to grow as players, and as people.  > see Jonesy.

This club has a habit of drowning its teenage elite recruits,  'in-self'.

Thankfully those days are over.  Just today it was reported that recruits spent the first month living with a senior player, went to Alice on a camp together (again with club leaders) and will live together for 3 weeks in Kooyong as part of their induction to the club.  They will learn early what is required of them and importantly given the internal relationships to support them now and as they develop.

For what it's worth, there has been chatter about Hogan for a couple of years now. I was heartbroken when it looked as though he was gone, but I've come to the conclusion that the 'Brains Thrust'  behind Melbourne's recent success felt the Melbourne Football Club was better off without him. I can only assume their knowledge and insight is keener and sharper than ours, I also assume they had their reasons for brokering his decision to terminate his contract. 

2 minutes ago, dieter said:

For what it's worth, there has been chatter about Hogan for a couple of years now. I was heartbroken when it looked as though he was gone, but I've come to the conclusion that the 'Brains Thrust'  behind Melbourne's recent success felt the Melbourne Football Club was better off without him. I can only assume their knowledge and insight is keener and sharper than ours, I also assume they had their reasons for brokering his decision to terminate his contract. 

Inside knowledge dieter?

6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

@Flag Favourites 3019may have drawn a long bow to compare Hogan to Watts and Sylvia but he was merely noting that another talent may go begging and that we are better off for the Hogan/May trade.

Remember this was is first post.  He made some well expressed good points and praised the club for their work.  Let's cut him some slack so that he feels free to post again without attracting harsh judgement or implication of NFI.

I applaud your protecting a newbie poster Luci, but if I’ve got to wait 1001 years to see another flag per his username, I’ll be [censored] off.

3 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

I applaud your protecting a newbie poster Luci, but if I’ve got to wait 1001 years to see another flag per his username, I’ll be [censored] off.

LOL!  I didn't even notice the 3019.  Hoping it is a typo! 

Might alert @Flag Favourites 3019so that he can change.

30 minutes ago, old dee said:

Inside knowledge dieter?

No, ODee, just intuition. 

18 minutes ago, dieter said:

No, ODee, just intuition. 

Sorry I meant the FD has inside knowledge

Just now, old dee said:

Sorry I meant the FD has inside knowledge

I'd say so, why else did they let him go?

28 minutes ago, dieter said:

I'd say so, why else did they let him go?

There are a number of rumours a couple I am not going to put in print.