Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

6 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Now confirmed , the Basil Zempelis report was a tele prompter error.

An absolute fiasco.

What's a "tele prompter" ?

Is it some sort of technological teaser pony ?

[old55 23,850]

8 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Now confirmed , the Basil Zempelis report was a tele prompter error.

An absolute fiasco.

set Demonland on fire though

[Lucifers Hero 40,672]

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks.  The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap

Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line.  They may be looking to give up a player (pure guesswork on my part as Lions running out of usable picks).

So, maybe further delay on Hogan. 

 

Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal and break the nexus with the Hogan deal.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[hemingway 7,633]

25 minutes ago, Jaded said:

If Hogan ends up staying, he better sign a long term deal. If this is just him going “yeah nah I’m gonna wait until next year to go to West Coast”, I would be incredibly [censored]. 

The worst case scenario is that his foot is stuffed. Such a Melbourne thing to happen. 

We are in a difficult position with Hogan. 

We have discovered that team success is not reliant on Hogan. 

Second, his foot is an issue. We all know about feet and that serious injury can not only seriously interrupt careers but end them. You don't want a bloke on $800 plus on the sidelines for a season or more.

In terms of wise money management, a long term Demon deal with Hogan carries the risk that his foot remains an issue. Indeed, how  many games can he string together without his body letting him down?

We have a conundrum. 

We don't want Hogan hanging around for another season with an injury and poor attitude, yet we would not want to sign him to a long term expensive contract without being very confident that his foot injury is not going to impede his future. 

For me, there are too many ifs and buts with Hogan. 

Probably Freo and other clubs have the same concerns.

Best that we plan a future without him, which means we need to compromise on the trade and accept less than what many feel we should get. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,393]

16 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Now confirmed , the Basil Zempelis report was a tele prompter error.

An absolute fiasco.

Heads will roll, for sure

[old55 23,850]

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks.  The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap

Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line. 

Maybe further delay on Hogan. 

 

Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal.

Freo must have convinced Brisbane that 5 + 24 doesn't get the Neale trade done, otherwise why trade it?  Now the next better offer would need to be 5 + 2019 1st with maybe something going back to Brisbane.  Brisbane's 2019 1st may then be in play for Hogan.  Who knows where Brisbane's and Freo's 2019 1sts will be placed - maybe Brisbane's later?

Edited October 9, 2018 by Fifty-5

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Heads will roll, for sure

More like eyes will roll when absolutely no action is taken

[beelzebub 23,392]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks.  The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap

Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line.  They may be looking to give up a player (pure guesswork on my part as Lions running out of usable picks).

So, maybe further delay on Hogan. 

 

Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal and break the nexus with the Hogan deal.

A little Birdy ( for the benefit of @sue et all ) deposited a rumour my way that the Neale deal could yet take all weekend to nut out. Wouldn't leave us a lot of time.

This I'm informed is purely as result of Freo living in some parallel dimension where things are not as everyone else assesses !!

Hopefully some sense enters this arena.

I'm not expecting any news for or from us about Jesse any time soon.

Will be very glad if this is wrong..or changed.

I think others have hit the nail on head. This is as much about Freos new hierarchy as it is real values.

Memo to Freo....get your shlt together !!

 

[chook fowler 19,756]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Heads will roll, for sure

it is pathetic that a so called journalist would just read whats put in front of him without thinking or checking. FMD.

[Lucifers Hero 40,672]

4 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Freo must have convinced Brisbane that 4 + 24 doesn't get the Neale trade done, otherwise why trade it?  Now the next better offer would need to be 5 + 2019 1st with maybe something going back to Brisbane.  Brisbane's 2019 1st may then be in play for Hogan.  Who knows where Brisbane's and Freo's 2019 1sts will be placed - maybe Brisbane's later.

Sounds good! That would make it  5 or 6 in 2018 plus Brisbane's 1st round 2019.  Brisbane will go up the ladder but can't see them making the eight so 2019 would be about pick 8-10.  I'd take that!

Edited October 9, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[hemingway 7,633]

8 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

What's a "tele prompter" ?

Is it some sort of technological teaser pony ?

Can you change your name to Double Entendre. 

No perhaps Explicitly Opportunistic would be more accurate.  

[beelzebub 23,392]

7 minutes ago, hemingway said:

We are in a difficult position with Hogan. 

We have discovered that team success is not reliant on Hogan. 

Second, his foot is an issue. We all know about feet and that serious injury can not only seriously interrupt careers but end them. You don't want a bloke on $800 plus on the sidelines for a season or more.

In terms of wise money management, a long term Demon deal with Hogan carries the risk that his foot remains an issue. Indeed, how  many games can he string together without his body letting him down?

We have a conundrum. 

We don't want Hogan hanging around for another season with an injury and poor attitude, yet we would not want to sign him to a long term expensive contract without being very confident that his foot injury is not going to impede his future. 

For me, there are too many ifs and buts with Hogan. 

Probably Freo and other clubs have the same concerns.

Best that we plan a future without him, which means we need to compromise on the trade and accept less than what many feel we should get. 

You sir are a rare one.

Very few get this

[Sir Why You Little 37,393]

2 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

More like eyes will roll when absolutely no action is taken

Possibly

a few people make up the chain, for that story to get to air, it is not possible it was just an “accident “

[hemingway 7,633]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

it is pathetic that a so called journalist would just read whats put in front of him without thinking or checking. FMD.

Chook, you are being generous in referring to these guys as journalists.

Footy journalists, you have to be kidding. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

10 minutes ago, hemingway said:

We are in a difficult position with Hogan. 

We have discovered that team success is not reliant on Hogan. 

Second, his foot is an issue. We all know about feet and that serious injury can not only seriously interrupt careers but end them. You don't want a bloke on $800 plus on the sidelines for a season or more.

In terms of wise money management, a long term Demon deal with Hogan carries the risk that his foot remains an issue. Indeed, how  many games can he string together without his body letting him down?

We have a conundrum. 

We don't want Hogan hanging around for another season with an injury and poor attitude, yet we would not want to sign him to a long term expensive contract without being very confident that his foot injury is not going to impede his future. 

For me, there are too many ifs and buts with Hogan. 

Probably Freo and other clubs have the same concerns.

Best that we plan a future without him, which means we need to compromise on the trade and accept less than what many feel we should get. 

Agree to a degree. but I wouldn't over react to his injury. Yes, it may be debilitating but any player can get injured. just like Lever. Or any draft pick we use for the Hogan deal could also have a career ending injury at any moment. 

[Adam The God 30,664]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

I believe the failed medical/mental issues were a result of this Facebook page reporting it last night as fact. They have since deleted the original post and posted this explanation.

 

Hang on. So Channel 7 are reporting news based off Facebook posts? That is hilarious. Who said modern day journalism and/or commercial broadcast TV was dead? ?

Btw, you [censored] suck Channel 7. 

[chook fowler 19,756]

3 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Chook, you are being generous in referring to these guys as journalists.

Footy journalists, you have to be kidding. 

my son is a journalist and i can assure you he wouldnt tolerate mistakes like that.

[Sir Why You Little 37,393]

7 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

it is pathetic that a so called journalist would just read whats put in front of him without thinking or checking. FMD.

It happens when a journalist is working on a super late story (still editing the story once the News has begun) or maybe writing multiple copy at the same time. 

The story may have been written by someone else and Basil has just read what is projected in front of him cold. 

[Demonland 74,168]

13 minutes ago, A F said:

Hang on. So Channel 7 are reporting news based off Facebook posts? That is hilarious. Who said modern day journalism and/or commercial broadcast TV was dead? ?

Btw, you [censored] suck Channel 7. 

That's not correct. Channel 7 only reported that Freo had missed out on Jesse. I have no idea where that CH 7 got that story. No mention of failed medicals.

The Facebook page above reported on the CH 7 report an added in their own commentary about the failed medical without saying it was their own opinion leading people to falsely believe that CH 7 had also reported that. Those two "stories:" merged into a single narrative that spread without any corroboration.

[hemingway 7,633]

My many years spent around negotiating tables with some of the toughest and best wheelers and dealers have taught me that there are some fundamental principles:

-Every one recognizes that there is always "ambit"" 

-That successful negotiation needs to take place leaving personal egos aside.

-That you need to place yourself in the shoes of the person on the other side of the table. You may not accept their claims or position,  but you need to understand and accept that a resolution requires accommodation on both sides.  

-That there is no deal or successful deal without compromise. 

-Unless the person on the other side is incompetent, you never get your best outcome, but you get an outcome that you can live with. 

-Both sides need to feel that they have had a win and that the outcome is acceptable to their constituents.  

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 minute ago, hemingway said:

My many years spent around negotiating tables with some of the toughest and best wheelers and dealers have taught me that there are some fundamental principles:

-Every one recognizes that there is always "ambit"" 

-That successful negotiation needs to take place leaving personal egos aside.

-That you need to place yourself in the shoes of the person on the other side of the table. You may not accept their claims or position,  but you need to understand and accept that a resolution requires accommodation on both sides.  

 -That there is no deal or successful deal without compromise. 

-Unless the person on the other side is incompetent, you never get your best outcome, but you get an outcome that you can live with. 

-Both sides need to feel that they have had a win and that the outcome is acceptable to their constituents.  

you sound like Josh Mahoney. I wasn't too pleased to hand over 2 draft picks for Lever when he was out of contract, signalled his intentions to leave and had an extensive injury history. 

[chook fowler 19,756]

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It happens when a journalist is working on a super late story (still editing the story once the News has begun) or maybe writing multiple copy at the same time. 

The story may have been written by someone else and Basil has just read what is projected in front of him cold. 

true, but none the less you're responsible for what you put out there.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

4 minutes ago, hemingway said:

My many years spent around negotiating tables with some of the toughest and best wheelers and dealers have taught me that there are some fundamental principles:

-Every one recognizes that there is always "ambit"" 

-That successful negotiation needs to take place leaving personal egos aside.

-That you need to place yourself in the shoes of the person on the other side of the table. You may not accept their claims or position,  but you need to understand and accept that a resolution requires accommodation on both sides.  

-That there is no deal or successful deal without compromise. 

-Unless the person on the other side is incompetent, you never get your best outcome, but you get an outcome that you can live with. 

-Both sides need to feel that they have had a win and that the outcome is acceptable to their constituents.  

Sound advice. This is why we need to tell Freo that if Hogan isn't in a Freo jumper on Monday's front page of the Herald Sun, we want THREE first rounders. Then throw the table over and walk out.

[Sir Why You Little 37,393]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

true, but none the less you're responsible for what you put out there.

Absolutely. But it may not be Basil’s fault, is what i am alluding to. Sometimes a presenter sits in the chair and is told to “go” without a pre read. No time. 

I can guarantee there will be  meetings and memos written at 7Perth today. 

Advertisers don’t like being associated with on air [censored] ups

[monoccular 17,713]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Absolutely. But it may not be Basil’s fault, is what i am alluding to. Sometimes a presenter sits in the chair and is told to “go” without a pre read. No time. 

I can guarantee there will be  meetings and memos written at 7Perth today. 

Advertisers don’t like being associated with on air [censored] ups

IF that is the case, a true journalist would preface along the lines of "...breaking news, yet to be verified .... "