Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,681]

9 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Go to the 2019 draft with two early picks (say 5 & 16) and we have a strong hand to pursue a range of attractive options. Josh Kelly won’t be the only show in town. 

Pick 16?

from where?

[Adam The God 30,731]

33 minutes ago, Lampers said:

The smart clubs tend to knock off bits and pieces trades as soon as practical so they can move on to the next deal.

For that reason I expect the KK trade not get mixed in with May simply to make it cleaner given the sequence of events that would need to occur for May to be a possibility (Brisbane and Freo agree on Neale, Melbourne and Freo agree on Hogan, Melbourne and GC agree on May including KK).

All three of those planks have risk of falling through or taking a bit of posturing time so you wouldn’t want to rely on that happening to land KK.

Melbourne and GC have some reasonable trading history and I suspect goodwill so I wouldn’t be surprised if Melbourne can get KK for unders as a stand alone early based on that.

I'm trying to recall. Have we ever traded with GCS?

[John Demonic 5,988]

12 minutes ago, Lampers said:

The smart clubs tend to knock off bits and pieces trades as soon as practical so they can move on to the next deal.

For that reason I expect the KK trade not get mixed in with May simply to make it cleaner given the sequence of events that would need to occur for May to be a possibility (Brisbane and Freo agree on Neale, Melbourne and Freo agree on Hogan, Melbourne and GC agree on May including KK).

All three of those planks have risk of falling through or taking a bit of posturing time so you wouldn’t want to rely on that happening to land KK.

Melbourne and GC have some reasonable trading history and I suspect goodwill so I wouldn’t be surprised if Melbourne can get KK for unders as a stand alone early based on that.

Craig cameron is a new list manager though. He probably wont be repeating the greatest hits trades of yesteryear.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

13 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Pick 16?

from where?

If we finished say 3rd on the ladder (entirely feasible) at the end of h/a 2019 our first round pick would be No.16

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

26 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

No, actually. The priority is a big nasty fullback who can contain the Josh Kennedys and Buddy Franklins of this world. His name is Steven May and the club has met with him twice. But in all your hysterical recent commentary you keep choosing to ignore this fact.

A quality pacy mid or two would be nice but if we have to wait until next year to add this element to our list so be it. Not sure if you’re onto it but we do presently have a pretty damned decent midfield. 

Go to the 2019 draft with two early picks (say 5 & 16) and we have a strong hand to pursue a range of attractive options. Josh Kelly won’t be the only show in town. 

Your problem is that you can’t see past the end of your nose with your “I want everything and I want it now” attitude. As a rule that’s not how smart deals get done. 

If you want to stretch success out over a dynasty, you make decisions with the occasional glance toward the future. Patience is s very underrated virtue.

Pick 5 now and a top 1-8 pick in 2019 is good deal for Hogan. Only the most one-eyed MFC fan would not agree.

 

 

 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,388]

23 minutes ago, bing181 said:

or hysterical 13 year old schoolboys.

FMD.

Or 13 year old gender neutrals. 

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,681]

4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

If we finished say 3rd on the ladder (entirely feasible) at the end of h/a 2019 our first round pick would be No.16

Sorry, thought you meant this years draft

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

22 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

No, actually. The priority is a big nasty fullback who can contain the Josh Kennedys and Buddy Franklins of this world. His name is Steven May and the club has met with him twice. But in all your hysterical recent commentary you keep choosing to ignore this fact.

A quality pacy mid or two would be nice but if we have to wait until next year to add this element to our list so be it. Not sure if you’re onto it but we do presently have a pretty damned decent midfield. 

Go to the 2019 draft with two early picks (say 5 & 16) and we have a strong hand to pursue a range of attractive options. Josh Kelly won’t be the only show in town. 

Your problem is that you can’t see past the end of your nose with your “I want everything and I want it now” attitude. As a rule that’s not how smart deals get done.

If you want to stretch success out over a dynasty, you make decisions with the occasional glance toward the future.

Pick 5 now and a top 1-8 pick in 2019 is good deal for Hogan. Only the most one-eyed MFC fan would not agree.

 

 

So start of next season when Oliver isn’t ready rd 1-5 because he is recovering from his shoulder ops still, Viney has a delayed start as his ankles are not quite right yet and Jones is going slow coz he is aging, and there is no Tyson, Vanders and to a lesser extent Vince left on your list, what are we turning to? It’s a genuine question not aimed at starting a war, but rather asking you to tell me where you see the depth on our list? Are you foreseeing Billy stretch coming on? Is Maynard gonna have a breakout year? Is Kennedy-Harris finally gonna step up to AFL level? You can tell me injuries won’t happen, but I will tell you we survived this year because we had quality depth. I am concerned that the game is won and lost in the midfield and I think we ought to be trying to bolster what we are losing. I am not having a meltdown about anything happening right how, coz nothing is. My concern is not so much the Hogan for May deal, but the fact there is nothing coming back that addresses the loss of the depth we had. If I hear the KK is exactly that, I’ll fall off my chair. The bloke has barely played in two years. We did not lose to the Eagles coz Darling and Kennedy fired, we lost contested possession in th midfield and barely laid a tackle. No fullback would have been able to stop those two given how the ball was coming in. 

[Lampers 563]

12 minutes ago, A F said:

I'm trying to recall. Have we ever traded with GCS?

Matthew warnock (some time ago now).

Close on Howe but it fell through because Howe didn’t want to go.

Pick swap and upgrade in 2015 to get Oliver and Weideman.

Some history, but as pointed out by another poster there has been turnover at GCS footy department so that could’ve reset any historic goodwill.

[Hagar 1]

Would probably take 5 and a future first rounder. 

[layzie 34,528]

6 minutes ago, Lampers said:

Matthew warnock (some time ago now).

Close on Howe but it fell through because Howe didn’t want to go.

Pick swap and upgrade in 2015 to get Oliver and Weideman.

Some history, but as pointed out by another poster there has been turnover at GCS footy department so that could’ve reset any historic goodwill.

I seem to recall Ricky Pettard was close?

[Lampers 563]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

I seem to recall Ricky Pettard was close?

My recollection of Petterd was GCS were looking to sign him as a straight uncontracted player as part of their start up list so that was more potential poaching rather than trading.

It also could’ve just been the media connecting any player recruiter from local Gold Coast clubs with GCS irrespective of what was really happening.

[layzie 34,528]

2 minutes ago, Lampers said:

My recollection of Petterd was GCS were looking to sign him as a straight uncontracted player as part of their start up list so that was more potential poaching rather than trading.

It also could’ve just been the media connecting any player recruiter from local Gold Coast clubs with GCS irrespective of what was really happening.

Yeah that sounds about right. Feels like an eternity since then. 

Edited October 5, 2018 by layzie

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

24 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

So start of next season when Oliver isn’t ready rd 1-5 because he is recovering from his shoulder ops still, Viney has a delayed start as his ankles are not quite right yet and Jones is going slow coz he is aging, and there is no Tyson, Vanders and to a lesser extent Vince left on your list, what are we turning to? It’s a genuine question not aimed at starting a war, but rather asking you to tell me where you see the depth on our list? Are you foreseeing Billy stretch coming on? Is Maynard gonna have a breakout year? Is Kennedy-Harris finally gonna step up to AFL level? You can tell me injuries won’t happen, but I will tell you we survived this year because we had quality depth. I am concerned that the game is won and lost in the midfield and I think we ought to be trying to bolster what we are losing. I am not having a meltdown about anything happening right how, coz nothing is. My concern is not so much the Hogan for May deal, but the fact there is nothing coming back that addresses the loss of the depth we had. If I hear the KK is exactly that, I’ll fall off my chair. The bloke has barely played in two years. We did not lose to the Eagles coz Darling and Kennedy fired, we lost contested possession in th midfield and barely laid a tackle. No fullback would have been able to stop those two given how the ball was coming in. 

You are making an Everest  out of a molehill over the abject calamity of waiting 12 months for pick 8 in a draft. Get a grip man.

Edited October 5, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Wolfturdo 123]

37 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

You quoted yourself? Were you worried people didn’t read it the first time? 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

5 minutes ago, Wolfturdo said:

You quoted yourself? Were you worried people didn’t read it the first time? 

The post was that good it deserved two appearances.

[Jaded No More 68,976]

6 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Maybe he failed the medical? Foot?

Wouldn’t that be so typically Melbourne?! 

If his foot is cactus, we have just lost our chance of seriously improving our list to win a flag, AND we have lost one of our big talents. 

[layzie 34,528]

8 minutes ago, Wolfturdo said:

You quoted yourself? Were you worried people didn’t read it the first time? 

What are you on about? Seriously you should change your name to Weirdturdo. 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,112]

So some AFL writer, possibly McClure, said today that he thought pick five from Freo should be enough to get them Hogan.  Seriously?  Does the Dude even watch the game?  We have one of the best young KPFs in the game, he's contracted for next year and he's always said he's happy playing with us.  In what world would we accept unders for him? 

[DeeZee 7,496]

If we lose Hogan, Kent, Vanders and Tyson and get May , Preuss and Kolojashnij in return then that is unders.

There has to be another big fish in the pipeline somewhere.

[McQueen 17,867]

2 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

This thread just represents the hysterical nature of demonland it is why i always say to family and friends reading demonland is akin to being trapped on public transport with hysterical 13 year old schoolgirls.

Considering you keep coming back for more is a bit worrying with the analogy you’ve used. 

[Hagar 1]

28 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Considering you keep coming back for more is a bit worrying with the analogy you’ve used. 

Ouch!

[Queanbeyan Demon 7,023]

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

 

absolutely priceless.

[Pates 9,697]

If pick 5 is what they only offer to us then I would say nothing more than the middle finger would be an appropriate response. Two top 10 picks at a minimum is what we will get, if they want to low ball us then we hold onto him for another year and bring West Coast to the party for next year. Potentially even then try to convince him to commit longer, if Freo jerk us and him around it could well sour his budding relationship with them. 

Edited October 5, 2018 by Pates

[D4Life 2,584]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

If pick 5 is what they only offer to us then I would say nothing more than the middle finger would be an appropriate response. Two top 10 picks at a minimum is what we will get, if they want to low ball us then we hold onto him for another year and bring West Coast to the party for next year. Potentially even then try to convince him to commit longer, if Freo jerk us and him around it could well sour his budding relationship with them. 

Freo won’t accept pick 4 for Lochie Neal, so what do they expect to pay for Hogan? It certainly isn’t just pick 5.