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[The Chazz 4,077]

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Discussed last night. If 45000 public seats available, then for example Tigers get 30000 and Demons get 15000. That’s only 1/3rd of our members.   

GF seats for the heart and soul supporter is really difficult unless you look to spend $1000+  on a membership. 

I might do that next year so I can see us go back to back !!!!!

I would like to see a break down each membership category per club.  I think you will find that the amount of pet memberships, baby memberships, and 3-game memberships are often counted in some clubs figures.

Point is, out of our 42k members, we may find that 20% of those are Priority 1, 35% are Priority 2, 35% are Priority 3, and babies and dogs don't count in any category.

That said, I could be wrong with that, hence why I would like to get an idea of what the membership category breakdown is.

[Lucifers Hero 39,753]

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Discussed last night. If 45000 public seats available, then for example Tigers get 30000 and Demons get 15000. That’s only 1/3rd of our members.   

GF seats for the heart and soul supporter is really difficult unless you look to spend $1000+  on a membership. 

I might do that next year so I can see us go back to back !!!!!

Hang on...where was this discussed? 

Allocation is supposed to be equal between competing clubs.  It would be a first if prorated on membership numbers and totally unfair!

[Diamond_Jim 12,571]

20 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Discussed last night. If 45000 public seats available, then for example Tigers get 30000 and Demons get 15000. That’s only 1/3rd of our members.   

GF seats for the heart and soul supporter is really difficult unless you look to spend $1000+  on a membership. 

I might do that next year so I can see us go back to back !!!!!

mmmm

no idea if you are right and that is the nub of the problem.

A complete lack of transparency on allocations, add on ticketek/ticketmaster charges and why the ticket price is so high... $400 a ticket is very serious money.

Television rights mean we could all go to the ground for nothing week in week out... sure the players would be paid a little less.. but we own the game and deserve some transparency.

[Lucifers Hero 39,753]

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

I would like to see a break down each membership category per club.  I think you will find that the amount of pet memberships, baby memberships, and 3-game memberships are often counted in some clubs figures.

Point is, out of our 42k members, we may find that 20% of those are Priority 1, 35% are Priority 2, 35% are Priority 3, and babies and dogs don't count in any category.

That said, I could be wrong with that, hence why I would like to get an idea of what the membership category breakdown is.

This is not by club but probably representative:

AFL MEMBERSHIP BREAKDOWN 2018
345,079 - 11-game home membership (34%) 
111,554 -  Home and away membership (at least 16-17 game memberships) (11%)
121,413 - Five-game, general admission or less than 11 game membership (12%)
151,186 - Three-game membership (15%)
279,261 -  Remaining membership categories: (member of a club without entry rights, AFLW member, Auskick membership, stadium member or AFL member) (28%)

1,008,494 - Total AFL members

My reading is that for MFC Priotity 1 and 2 is the top two groups above (Full Members).  So taking the AFL ratio of 45% of MFC 45,000 = ~ 20,000 members.  Not all 20,000 would have gone into the ballot because of competing commitments, are overseas, are MCC/AFL members, prohibitive cost etc.

So I would say that with last year's competing team allocation of approx 16,500 nearly all MFC Priority 1 and 2 will get a ticket - usual caveat applies: if we make it. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[The Chazz 4,077]

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

This is not by club but probably representative:

AFL MEMBERSHIP BREAKDOWN 2018
345,079 - 11-game home membership (34%) 
111,554 -  Home and away membership (at least 16-17 game memberships) (11%)
121,413 - Five-game, general admission or less than 11 game membership (12%)
151,186 - Three-game membership (15%)
279,261 -  Remaining membership categories: (member of a club without entry rights, AFLW member, Auskick membership, stadium member or AFL member) (28%)

1,008,494 - Total AFL members

My reading is that for MFC Priotity 1 and 2 is the top two groups above (Full Members).  So taking the AFL ration of 45% of MFC 45,000 = 20,000 members.  Not all 20,000 would have gone into the ballot because of competing commitments, are overseas, are MCC/AFL members, prohibitive cost etc.

So I would say that with last year's competing team allocation of approx 16,500 nearly all MFC Priority 1 and 2 will get a ticket - usual caveat applies: if we make it. 

Cheers for posting that.  So I'm not a million miles away with my estimates then?!

I think you're right - I would expect all Priority 1 members (that applied) and a majority of Priority 2 will get a ticket.

(Win this week then) BRING IT ON!!!!

[daisycutter 29,613]

21 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

This is not by club but probably representative:

AFL MEMBERSHIP BREAKDOWN 2018
345,079 - 11-game home membership (34%) 
111,554 -  Home and away membership (at least 16-17 game memberships) (11%)
121,413 - Five-game, general admission or less than 11 game membership (12%)
151,186 - Three-game membership (15%)
279,261 -  Remaining membership categories: (member of a club without entry rights, AFLW member, Auskick membership, stadium member or AFL member) (28%)

1,008,494 - Total AFL members

My reading is that for MFC Priotity 1 and 2 is the top two groups above (Full Members).  So taking the AFL ratio of 45% of MFC 45,000 = ~ 20,000 members.  Not all 20,000 would have gone into the ballot because of competing commitments, are overseas, are MCC/AFL members, prohibitive cost etc.

So I would say that with last year's competing team allocation of approx 16,500 nearly all MFC Priority 1 and 2 will get a ticket - usual caveat applies: if we make it. 

lucy, think that priority 2 for mfc only includes  11 game members with a reserved seat so that would reduce your 20,000 estimate

[Diamond_Jim 12,571]

1 minute ago, The Chazz said:

Cheers for posting that.  So I'm not a million miles away with my estimates then?!

I think you're right - I would expect all Priority 1 members (that applied) and a majority of Priority 2 will get a ticket.

(Win this week then) BRING IT ON!!!!

Priority 1 members are "guaranteed" a seat at an MFC GF. They pay an annual premium year in year out for the privilege.

No problem with that but given that the absolute maximum allocation per club (including standing room) is 20K the unknown is how many priority 1 memberships have been sold.

We know that other clubs such as Richmond and Bulldogs now have waiting lists for this category whereas MFC was offering this membership level up until a few weeks ago. They are wonderful revenue streams as you dare not drop your membership because you will need to go back via the waiting list. Not dissimilar to the reserved seats sold by Adelaide and West Coast.

I suspect we will move to a waiting list next year as people realize that the higher grade memberships are the only way to get a ticket.

Talk to Essendon and Collingwood supporters about the hoopla and cost that surrounds Anzac day reservations for another example.

Heaven help us if we become subject to the world of dynamic ticket pricing.

[DubDee 25,849]

21 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

This is not by club but probably representative:

AFL MEMBERSHIP BREAKDOWN 2018
345,079 - 11-game home membership (34%) 
111,554 -  Home and away membership (at least 16-17 game memberships) (11%)
121,413 - Five-game, general admission or less than 11 game membership (12%)
151,186 - Three-game membership (15%)
279,261 -  Remaining membership categories: (member of a club without entry rights, AFLW member, Auskick membership, stadium member or AFL member) (28%)

1,008,494 - Total AFL members

My reading is that for MFC Priotity 1 and 2 is the top two groups above (Full Members).  So taking the AFL ratio of 45% of MFC 45,000 = ~ 20,000 members.  Not all 20,000 would have gone into the ballot because of competing commitments, are overseas, are MCC/AFL members, prohibitive cost etc.

So I would say that with last year's competing team allocation of approx 16,500 nearly all MFC Priority 1 and 2 will get a ticket - usual caveat applies: if we make it. 

interesting stats.  less than half of members are what I would call 'real members' - ie that go to games and live in melbourne

no wonder the numbers go through the roof each year and don't reflect attendences

[Clintosaurus 7,844]

Membership numbers are just a phallus measuring contest. It's the $$$$$$$$$$$ from membership that counts and I'm pretty sure West Coast dominate on that front.

Edited September 21, 2018 by Clintosaurus

[Diamond_Jim 12,571]

4 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Membership numbers are just a phallus measuring contest. It's the $$$$$$$$$$$ form membership that counts and I'm pretty sure West Coast dominate on that front.

yep... believe it or not WCE home membership was closed as I understand it. They opened up for another 10k season members when they moved to Optus so I am not sure if they filled all of those.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-23/eagles-dockers-perth-stadium-tickets-and-seat-selection/9077128

[Lucifers Hero 39,753]

20 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

lucy, think that priority 2 for mfc only includes  11 game members with a reserved seat so that would reduce your 20,000 estimate

Not sure dc.  PRIORITY TWO –BALLOT Membership Types: Demon Seat Members, Red and Blue Home and Home and Away Members, MFC/MCC, Premium Members and 20+ year consecutive Members.

I assumed Red and Blue Home Members were the regular memberships with no add ons so in the first two groups in the table posted above.  If not you are right the odds of Priority 2 getting a ticket are lower than I presented.  Hard to tell tho.

 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Clintosaurus 7,844]

I think the only hope for us Priority Three types is that not all Priority One or Two members registered for the ballot. If that is true, we may get a small look-in.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

lucy, think that priority 2 for mfc only includes  11 game members with a reserved seat so that would reduce your 20,000 estimate

11 game with reserved seat (e.g. Trident) are P1.

I know 2 people with this and they are P1

[daisycutter 29,613]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

11 game with reserved seat (e.g. Trident) are P1.

I know 2 people with this and they are P1

was talking of the base standard 11 game memberships where reserved seat is an addon

[Diamond_Jim 12,571]

Doesn't add much to what has already been posted but an interesting article in the Age with some good old pictures.

One point perhaps worth mentioning was that in the Richmond V Adelaide grand final last year the of the 40k of tickets notionally available to the competing clubs the AFL only issued 32k. This was despite a very large number of Richmond members missing out last year.

"Actual ticket allocations fluctuate at the AFL's discretion. For example, club members were allocated 32,000 tickets of a possible 40,000 last year. The AFL will decide on exact numbers closer to the game." 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/footy-s-biggest-day-how-the-tickets-are-allocated-20180920-p50518.html

[Lucifers Hero 39,753]

21 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Doesn't add much to what has already been posted but an interesting article in the Age with some good old pictures.

One point perhaps worth mentioning was that in the Richmond V Adelaide grand final last year the of the 40k of tickets notionally available to the competing clubs the AFL only issued 32k. This was despite a very large number of Richmond members missing out last year.

"Actual ticket allocations fluctuate at the AFL's discretion. For example, club members were allocated 32,000 tickets of a possible 40,000 last year. The AFL will decide on exact numbers closer to the game." 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/footy-s-biggest-day-how-the-tickets-are-allocated-20180920-p50518.html

What I found interesting was the disparity of fees and benefits of MCC/AFL members vs Club Members:  Club members are being ripped off.  Not by their clubs but by an AFL system that requires Club members to pay an exorbitant amount for finals tickets, effectively subsidising AFL and MCC members throughout the finals series.  What is worse the funds from finals don't go back to the Clubs to which members belong.

Edited September 21, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Moonshadow 17,676]

I would think the AFL would only honour GF guarantee tickets and try and flogg off the remaining club allocated to the corporate sector or to their own family/friends. Who the f knows how Gill and his cronies prioritise or squirrel tickets for mates. Certainty defies any semblance of transparency or fairness.

[hardtack 10,537]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

interesting stats.  less than half of members are what I would call 'real members' - ie that go to games and live in melbourne

no wonder the numbers go through the roof each year and don't reflect attendences

We interstate members purchase our memberships in the knowledge that we will be lucky to have a game to go to (nothing in Sydney or Canberra this year) and, if we choose to attend home games in Melbourne, in the knowledge that is is going to hit the bank account big time.  I find it somewhat offensive that you consider us not “real members”.

Edited September 21, 2018 by hardtack

[DubDee 25,849]

17 minutes ago, hardtack said:

We interstate members purchase our memberships in the knowledge that we will be lucky to have a game to go to (nothing in Sydney or Canberra this year) and, if we choose to attend home games in Melbourne, in the knowledge that is is going to hit the bank account big time.  I find it somewhat offensive that you consider us not “real members”.

Apologies, I meant no offense. 

I was just trying to differentiate between attending members and the 3 game/pet membership types. But there are a few inbetween as you point out

[Brownie 5,980]

45 minutes ago, hardtack said:

We interstate members purchase our memberships in the knowledge that we will be lucky to have a game to go to (nothing in Sydney or Canberra this year) and, if we choose to attend home games in Melbourne, in the knowledge that is is going to hit the bank account big time.  I find it somewhat offensive that you consider us not “real members”.

Yep in the same boat.

Northern NSW. I've been a member for the last 13 years.

Last couple of years there hasn't even been many games at gold coast / brisbane. I usually get to one or two games down south every year.

I've had to weighup the costs of buying a foxtel subscription vs a bigger membership which I wouldn't use.

I really hate giving murdoch money over the club but how else do I get to watch the team we I love every week?

I'm 51 years old, a dees supporter my whole life and have never seen us a win a flag.

It's a conundrum.

[Zoiikgarden 134]

56 minutes ago, hardtack said:

We interstate members purchase our memberships in the knowledge that we will be lucky to have a game to go to (nothing in Sydney or Canberra this year) and, if we choose to attend home games in Melbourne, in the knowledge that is is going to hit the bank account big time.  I find it somewhat offensive that you consider us not “real members”.

I agree - being an interstate member,  we love the club too, and I pay for my membership but not able to attend many games due to airfares and accommodation.  Stacked up on my Visa card to attend the last two finals - heaven!!

[Diamond_Jim 12,571]

Those Tiger supporters must feel a little miffed this morning.

I suspect they were busy during the week discussing the post game concert let alone their seating arrangements.

[Nasher 33,614]

I want my $5 back!

How's the cheek of charging $5 to go in the ballot by the way, and running it a week out, forcing 4 teams worth of supporters through the system? Ticketek probably made a cool $500,000 or so out of that little stunt.  

[Jibroni 5,003]

Can we close this thread now and open a Trade/Delistings thread?

[Nasher 33,614]

14 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I want my $5 back!

How's the cheek of charging $5 to go in the ballot by the way, and running it a week out, forcing 4 teams worth of supporters through the system? Ticketek probably made a cool $500,000 or so out of that little stunt.  

The more I think about this, the more it makes me seethe. They’d have a handsome contract with the MCC anyway; they raise an absurd amount of money through this mechanism for a ballot that costs them near nothing to run, that half or more of the entrants end up ineligible to win anyway. 

I might write the ACCC a letter. Or more likely, just go to bed and wake up finding I no longer give a s*** about this silly matter ?