6 minutes ago, timbo said:

 

Wow that's bad. Wouldn't have mattered though.

The worst of the day was the 'late hit' free to Billings. Gawn hardly touched him it was ridiculous.

The 50m penalties also need to be reserved for very clear infringements! They shouldn't just be given out easily.

22 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Wow that's bad. Wouldn't have mattered though.

The worst of the day was the 'late hit' free to Billings. Gawn hardly touched him it was ridiculous.

The 50m penalties also need to be reserved for very clear infringements! They shouldn't just be given out easily.

Got the video?

14 minutes ago, timbo said:

Got the video?

I don't. It happened in the first quarter I think. He kicked at goal and it missed, Gawn was chasing him and slightly touched him after he kicked.

1 hour ago, Demonised said:

It will be claimed that it was our skill error that resulted in the Saints' goal, but at the game you could see the utter confusion and uncertainty when the whistle blew - no confidence in any decision these days - and then whether we were allowed to play on or not. It was officiating chaos.

Yes, that's where they look to see how clear or likely to get away the player who is playing on will be, and decide..........hello@#$%

13 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Yes, that's where they look to see how clear or likely to get away the player who is playing on will be, and decide..........hello@#$%

There are times where advantage is called then the umps change their mind when something like yesterday happens, so Lewis would have gone back and taken his kick. Not this time!!

Also noticed the 'play on' call about 2 seconds after a mark was taken still in vogue for us yesterday.

AFL are looking like they are using the umpires to get desired ladder positions. NRL have been doing this for years.

17 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

There are times where advantage is called then the umps change their mind when something like yesterday happens, so Lewis would have gone back and taken his kick. Not this time!!

Also noticed the 'play on' call about 2 seconds after a mark was taken still in vogue for us yesterday.

AFL are looking like they are using the umpires to get desired ladder positions. NRL have been doing this for years.

Also, what about the holding the ball decisions, where, if we have it there is no time or effort taken into account, when they have it, it's almost as if they get enough time to get it out regardless.

And then there's the rule about running contest for the ball  two players on each side. One of them gets the ball the other shepherds, quite successfully, no penalty. When we get the ball, same thing, one shepherds, not successful, we get called for infringement off the ball or some make up about illegal twaddle...  

8 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Also, what about the holding the ball decisions, where, if we have it there is no time or effort taken into account, when they have it, it's almost as if they get enough time to get it out regardless.

And then there's the rule about running contest for the ball  two players on each side. One of them gets the ball the other shepherds, quite successfully, no penalty. When we get the ball, same thing, one shepherds, not successful, we get called for infringement off the ball or some make up about illegal twaddle...  

This is why I much prefer golf.

And cycling.

And if I see Maximus up late tweeting about the TdF I will not be happy

3 hours ago, Demonised said:

It will be claimed that it was our skill error that resulted in the Saints' goal, but at the game you could see the utter confusion and uncertainty when the whistle blew - no confidence in any decision these days - and then whether we were allowed to play on or not. It was officiating chaos.

Not that it was the issue with this decision, but one of my chief beefs these days is when a free kick is called and 99% of play stops, ball carrier keeps running (but only really in a half hearted way, expecting the free kick to be called back) and then the ump decides to call play on advantage, with the player 20m further down the feild and in miles more space than would normally be the case.  ALWAYS happens more against us than for us!

Edited July 2, 20187 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

29 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Also, what about the holding the ball decisions, where, if we have it there is no time or effort taken into account, when they have it, it's almost as if they get enough time to get it out regardless.

And then there's the rule about running contest for the ball  two players on each side. One of them gets the ball the other shepherds, quite successfully, no penalty. When we get the ball, same thing, one shepherds, not successful, we get called for infringement off the ball or some make up about illegal twaddle...  

Sorry, you lost me a bit there Wil, but talking about holding the ball, I get so anoyed with some of the ones that get paid when players are on the ground trying to pick up the ball and distribute it out.  Fair enough to pay holding the ball for someone dragging it in and making no attempt to get rid of it, but when someone goes to pick it up, ends up on the bottom of the pack and then getting ridden like a bull on their back like the Lewis one yesterday, then I think it should be paid in the back.

25 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Sorry, you lost me a bit there Wil, but talking about holding the ball, I get so anoyed with some of the ones that get paid when players are on the ground trying to pick up the ball and distribute it out.  Fair enough to pay holding the ball for someone dragging it in and making no attempt to get rid of it, but when someone goes to pick it up, ends up on the bottom of the pack and then getting ridden like a bull on their back like the Lewis one yesterday, then I think it should be paid in the back.

Yes, i found it hard to explain.....

There is no penalty for bad performance.

The only fully unaccountable group in the AFL...and they know it.

Could/would/should a recent purportedly suppressed Survey done by the Media/AFL  have read like of the Twenty/ Forty Top AFL Umpires,  Five of Each supported C, C, E and G. Of the Twenty Left various supported Interstate, with a smattering of One or two to BDogs, M and NM. That would explain a lot. 

We have to play smarter and take the game out of the maggots hands.  We simply allowed them into the match by the way we played.  If we are first to the ball, if we hit open players and don't cough up stupid mistakes in the contest, then we can't get pinged.  The umpiring was atrocious and certainly kept them in it in the first half.  It delivered them at least 5 goals.  However, we have to learn to adjust and outplay them when we are getting the wrong end of the stick - because whining about it is getting us no where.  The worst thing for me is how blatant the bias is.  It was an absolute disgrace, but we have to be better than simply giving in to it.  We will never get the Collingwood free run, or the 'crowd affirmation' of Adelaide and Perth.  We just have to be better than it.

48 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

We have to play smarter and take the game out of the maggots hands.  We simply allowed them into the match by the way we played.  If we are first to the ball, if we hit open players and don't cough up stupid mistakes in the contest, then we can't get pinged.  The umpiring was atrocious and certainly kept them in it in the first half.  It delivered them at least 5 goals.  However, we have to learn to adjust and outplay them when we are getting the wrong end of the stick - because whining about it is getting us no where.  The worst thing for me is how blatant the bias is.  It was an absolute disgrace, but we have to be better than simply giving in to it.  We will never get the Collingwood free run, or the 'crowd affirmation' of Adelaide and Perth.  We just have to be better than it.

So that is 2 games cost by the umpires then by your reckoning (and others')

Sorry but if that is not a call to arms for someone in the club to be on the phone to Dill and his coterie of misfit morons then I don't know what is.

In amongst the procession of poor umpiring decisions for both teams, there were at least two that changed the game.

The first was the alleged infringement against McCartin on the members HFF. It was clearly not a high tackle but the umpire responded to a tackle that was laid high on the arm but not over the shoulder. Whilst he was still getting ip off the ground two demons ran past inciting the umpire to award a 50m penalty and an easy goal. Poor decisions have consequences and the umpires should be very sure before they affect the outcome of a game.

The second was the free for "in the back" against Salem. There were two movements and neither should have been classified as in the back. The saint fell to the ground and Salem avoided his back, laid a tackle and then the saint projected himself forward dragging Salem with him. This poor decision led to another goal.

At least two undeserved goals in a 2 point game.

 

5 minutes ago, tiers said:

Poor decisions have consequences and the umpires should be very sure before they affect the outcome of a game.

They know what they are doing. Gil's orders.

8 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

They know what they are doing. Gil's orders.

Gill barracks for The Saints

5 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

AFL are looking like they are using the umpires to get desired ladder positions. NRL have been doing this for years.

Absolutely agree - there can be no other reason as it is beyond umpiring incompetence; it is wilful umpiring behaviours. 

18 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Should this not be an obvious as dog balls deliberate out of bounds????

Text book stuff, ffs

 

No.

That's a throw.

4 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Not that it was the issue with this decision, but one of my chief beefs these days is when a free kick is called and 99% of play stops, ball carrier keeps running (but only really in a half hearted way, expecting the free kick to be called back) and then the ump decides to call play on advantage, with the player 20m further down the feild and in miles more space than would normally be the case.  ALWAYS happens more against us than for us!

There was an absolute ripper of these in the Collingwood game. Whistle went, free kick Pies, all players kept following the Pie with the pill. Seconds go by, Pie looks around and slows down to go back for the free, no advantage call so our boys stopped.  Advantage, advantage. Pies clear through on goal.

I'm going to blame that call for the half time 50 against Clarry. Yes he might've taken it too far, but if he doesn't make that tackle the Saints can just go. I'd love to see a replay. After paying the free, did the ump blow his whistle to pull the game up, or did he wait to see what would happen, putting doubt in Clarry's mind on an advantage call. Play the whistle, no whistle = stick the tackle.

The other side of the coin is, Clarry was penalised for tackling the player after the play had 'stopped'. Wasn't there a centre bounce recalled in the first qrtr where Longer poleaxed Gawn? Shouldn't that also be a free kick? I was listening on the radio at that point so didn't see vision.

1 hour ago, tiers said:

In amongst the procession of poor umpiring decisions for both teams, there were at least two that changed the game.

The first was the alleged infringement against McCartin on the members HFF. It was clearly not a high tackle but the umpire responded to a tackle that was laid high on the arm but not over the shoulder. Whilst he was still getting ip off the ground two demons ran past inciting the umpire to award a 50m penalty and an easy goal. Poor decisions have consequences and the umpires should be very sure before they affect the outcome of a game.

The second was the free for "in the back" against Salem. There were two movements and neither should have been classified as in the back. The saint fell to the ground and Salem avoided his back, laid a tackle and then the saint projected himself forward dragging Salem with him. This poor decision led to another goal.

At least two undeserved goals in a 2 point game.

 

Got a video grab of the first?

 

Paste it here.

 

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Let's all stop whinging about it and build a body of evidence apropos questionable decisions or at least ones warranting explaining.(Sorry, we can do both: complain AND build)

22 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

No.

That's a throw.

possibly, but i wouldn't have paid it. we don't want these type of marginal, technical frees in the game

there are much better examples of bad or non decisions in that game

5 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 when someone goes to pick it up, ends up on the bottom of the pack and then getting ridden like a bull on their back like the Lewis one yesterday, then I think it should be paid in the back.

But they do!  Didn't you see the one where Salem gave away a free for in the back?

It was thought to be a legend of the ancients. This "push in the back" rule. Like the place kick. But it was paid! Like the sighting of a rare bird, that was thought to be extinct. A magical, breathtaking moment of sheer joy. (For the umps.)

Umpires drive me mad every weekend, in nearly every game played. A saying that used to go around local clubs was, play in front and you will receive the choccies.

17 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

But they do!  Didn't you see the one where Salem gave away a free for in the back?

It was thought to be a legend of the ancients. This "push in the back" rule. Like the place kick. But it was paid! Like the sighting of a rare bird, that was thought to be extinct. A magical, breathtaking moment of sheer joy. (For the umps.)

Poetic MR, just love it......you're bucking for an invitation to Umpire's Presentation Night.