Anyone who thinks Howe is as good as Lever needs a reality check. 

The problem is, we gave up a lot more for Lever than we got for Howe.

The net loss is quite large.

Collingwood are good, they’ve been building all year.

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The problem is, we gave up a lot more for Lever than we got for Howe.

The net loss is quite large.

Maybe we should wait more than 5 games to look at the net loss? 

Lever was good yesterday and I still reckon he is at about 10% of his actual top capability. Howe is as good as he will ever be, which is B grade at best. 

 

very much so

whoever loses is 2-4 and can basically kiss any slim finals chances goodbye

Howes first 7-8 games for the pies were terrible 

 

Maybe we should wait more than 5 games to look at the net loss? 

Lever was good yesterday and I still reckon he is at about 10% of his actual top capability. Howe is as good as he will ever be, which is B grade at best. 

By the end of the year we should have a good idea. By memory the two first rounders with swap backs equaled to us paying about a pick 4 to 5 in points assuming we made the bottom of the eight this year.

Every ladder spot we finish up above that decreases what we paid for Lever. Conversely a bottom part of the ladder finish increases the ultimate cost......

 

 

Howes first 7-8 games for the pies were terrible 

That they were. We looked like the winners in the Howe trade very early on given his form. 

 

Howes first 7-8 games for the pies were terrible 

Until Nathan Buckley revealed the extent of his coaching genius to the world and moved Howe to defence... 

This Sunday at Etihad has the potential to be a horrible game to watch.  

 

us, favourites, you say? guaranteed loss then innit

We were favorites against North and got it done. Our players just need to relax and believe this week. They were clearly a bit nervy last night and that led to fumbles. We relax, we can hold the ball and win.

 

This Sunday at Etihad has the potential to be a horrible game to watch.  

I remember this being the theme heading into last years game with Essendon too.

We had lost Hogan for the game and all the talk was not to lower the eyes, hit up targets and we will get the job done.

We did, and we won.

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You know they are going well when Goddard throws the toys out of his cot. lol

 

He really is (and always has been) a thoroughly unlikeable pratt 

 

Collingwood are good, they’ve been building all year.

Started round 23 last year actually - gained self belief that day ?

 

Dunn and Howe would still make a huge difference to our side.. the fact we gave up Howe for absolute peanuts shows how poor our list management been.. The two 1st round picks for lever is the topping point for me.

It's been said already but this is some revisionist bullsh*t.

Howe wanted out.

 

Anyone who thinks Howe is as good as Lever needs a reality check. 

Almost as bad as those who want Dunn back.

 

Collingwood are good, they’ve been building all year.

No they're not, they're just average.

They got Adelaide on a down day, but so did Essendon and Essendon also aren't good.

They've otherwise beaten Carlton and Essendon.

I was there today, they make simple skill errors all over the place and have some truly sub-standard players.

They are carried by some sublime A-graders (Treloar, Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Grundy) and some exciting kids (Stephenson, De Goey). 

But they're just one of those 8-10 average sides.

Gee it is funny when goddard goes bananas. Hope to see more of that on Sunday. Mind you who wouldn't want to give daniher a serve

 

You must have been very impressed when he completely f****d up that goal opportunity in the 4th. How he made so many mistakes in one passage defies logic.

He's been half paced all game.

Lol. I saw a lot of Port Adelaide players at a stand still multiple times through the game - moments when Watts was still providing run. And yes he makes mistakes - were any as bad as our captain hand passing directly to a Richmond player 30m out directly in front? But that's a pretty immature response by me; expecting flawless play from any player is unreasonable (and I suppose unless they decide to tunnel it under their legs, mistakes are forgivable). It is also irrelevant - you guys will see what you want to see when it comes to Watts. And maybe he'll be dropped from Port Adelaide next week never to play again.

But here is the issue. We thought we were in a finals window. We gave up first round draft picks and a lot of $$ for a third man up based on this idea.  So our decision to offload an experienced half forward seems completely at odds with this focus - because we didn't have a ready to go replacement. I think Bayley will be solid - but he needs games. And he won't get them while we're in this "window".

I was surprised we pushed Watts out so hard, with nothing really to gain from it - but I really hoped our list was stronger then it appeared. So far it doesn't appear to be the case. Instead it looks like the decisions we made last year have hampered our list development. 

And not even getting Howe and Dunn back will save us