3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Good stuff. I’m in my second week of a year off being a stay at home Dad. In between dadding I’ve been perfecting my cold drip coffee and breaking trade related news.

So your'e gulping down Ice Breaks while pulling trade stories out of your arz to ease the bordom?

 

 

12 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

 I have a strange sense of humour (might explain the Dees thing

Barracking for the Demons is generally associated with a bit of strangeness.

 

12 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

but Jimmy handballed me the footy 29 years ago, and that was that).

In that case you are Demon Royalty!

1 hour ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

Yep. I'm finishing my Demonland career post haste. I'm getting too caught up in this.

Don't give up Chewy..

On Goodwin. He is no saint, for sure, but wasn't it only a few days ago that D-landers were moaning that we passed up Dusty Martin way back when, because he wasn't a choir boy, and that we should kick ourselves forever more over that?

2 hours ago, ManDee said:

I'm trying to eradicate alphabet avatars.

I will try somewhere else then.

I think Connors comments about Lever and what other players at MFC will think of his contract are a disgrace, especially coming from a player manager.

 

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

I think Connors comments about Lever and what other players at MFC will think of his contract are a disgrace, especially coming from a player manager.

 

What did he say Redleg ?

38 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

It's more the fact that the only brand of players we want at our club are competitors. Jack just doesn't have that competitive drive and the club is sick of him thinking he can just get by on talent. 

Being competitive is one thing but conrolling aggression is another. I think we had the worst record of suspensions this year than any other club. Vince, Lewis, Hogan, Salem and Jack Viney was very lucky on a couple of occasions he wasn't pinged. What is Goodwin demanding here? Forget the rules just get the ball? You MUST have a blending of hard players with those of great skill. When we do get the ball we muck it up too often. How would this be reduced? Someone who can kick with precision. JW is one of the few we have in our team at the moment.

Just now, DavidNeitz9 said:

What did he say Redleg ?

Basically that the other players will be upset about what Lever will get and that it is one of the reasons JW is being pushed out. 

20 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Remember some of our players are still kids, so while unlikely, its possible

 

All the more reason to trade him out

25 minutes ago, rpfc said:

That's usually how you form what side of an argument you are on, isn't it?

Never, but thanks for asking and thanks for your interest.

I'd support my worst enemy against my best friend in an argument if I thought my enemy was right.

Not a great trait, I suspect.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Basically that the other players will be upset about what Lever will get and that it is one of the reasons JW is being pushed out. 

If that is true red then Connors is a disgrace

It isnt his business he is there to look after Jacks interests and obviously doing a pretty poor job of it

Jack should sack him! Those comments do nobody any good and makes Connors look like a real tool

Wow that is surprising from another manager.

The JW camp seems.to be very salty about this whole situation

I would not pay any attention to what Connors or any player manager says, about anything, at any time.

They are stirrers and agitators trying to manipulate the situation to strike the best deal for their player.

If that means throwing mud at other players, other clubs, their player's own club, well so what. All's fair in love and war.

"Don't burn your bridges", said no player manager, anywhere, ever.

36 minutes ago, faultydet said:

So your'e gulping down Ice Breaks while pulling trade stories out of your arz to ease the bordom?

 

 

I bought about $1500.00 worth of cold drip apparatus’ last week with the intention of making enough to supply my mates coffee shop. I also bought 240 small screw cap bottles to put it in and a steriliser for the bottles. A properly prepared batch lasts 4 months.

I ended up using the steriliser for cleaning baby bottles as it’s much bigger than the one we purchased from the baby shop. And I put the cold drip into large bottles and drink it during the day like I normally would water. My heart is continuously palpitating but my gym workouts are pretty good. 

Back on topic, I heard Watts hated Sydney. He went out on the town with Franklin and has been awake for 3 days. 

7 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I would not pay any attention to what Connors or any player manager says, about anything, at any time.

They are stirrers and agitators trying to manipulate the situation to strike the best deal for their player.

If that means throwing mud at other players, other clubs, their player's own club, well so what. All's fair in love and war.

"Don't burn your bridges", said no player manager, anywhere, ever.

Doesn't he also manage Trac?

Just now, Unleash Hell said:

Doesn't he also manage Trac?

Yep

22 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Doesn't he also manage Trac?

 

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

The "expectations" are not that he play better than Dusty Martin (a lowly no 3 draft pick).

 

The "expectations" are that he trains to the required standard, rehabs to the required standard, and generally puts in to the required standard.

And that's what I don't understand about how the club has handled this.

If, in the very first instance, they had come out and said something along the lines of:

"We have suggested to Jack that he look at his other options because regardless of any player's talent and skill we demand that every player commits to and meets the standards we have set. Unfortunately, although we have had several discussions with him around these matters before and during the season we haven't seen any change in his application. Jack is a wonderful young man and has from time to time shown exactly what he is capable of. We recognise that he has been under a high level of scrutiny since the day he walked into the club and although we wish today that his beginning could have be handled very differently, who, apart from Jack, really knows how this may have affected a talented player during his development years. We believe we are doing the best thing by Jack by encouraging him to search out other opportunities."

I doubt any supporters would have objected to what they are doing if that was the way it was presented from day 1. 

I know it is very easy to see this in hindsight but it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to predict that it was going to be an extremely sensitive issue given history (at least 7 or 8 years) has constantly shown the extreme emotion and polarisation of opinion around Jack.

P.S. On reflection (after 'living' with this post for the last 10 minutes or so) I think my emotions are getting in the way now. What I am wanting is perfection in the handling of this matter. And rarely is anything perfect. And as Mazer Rackham suggests in the next comment - the way has to be forward now. No more from me on this. I promise. I think. Hahahahaha

 

4 minutes ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

And that's what I don't understand about how the club has handled this.

If in the very first instance they had come out and said something along the lines of:

(etc)

All well and good but does it get us any closer to the aim of the exercise? Which is to extract maximum value from Jack, one way or another. On field or in a trade.

 

Yes, Jack has had a rough run. It's regrettable. But not much point in crying over spilt milk. It's down the drain, we know it, everyone knows it, and the only way now is forward.

5 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

All well and good but does it get us any closer to the aim of the exercise? Which is to extract maximum value from Jack, one way or another. On field or in a trade.

 

Yes, Jack has had a rough run. It's regrettable. But not much point in crying over spilt milk. It's down the drain, we know it, everyone knows it, and the only way now is forward.

Fair enough.

IMO it would have got us closer to the aim of the exercise.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

I don't like it! going to Collingwood?? I can just see this spectacularly backfiring in our face even for pick 6 are they serious??

 

Pick 6 is a great outcome, if it happens...

39 minutes ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

Unfortunately, although we have had several discussions with him around these matters before and during the season we haven't seen any change in his application.

This is the main bit I have a problem with...

It should be between Jack and the FD (Coach) and not for public consumption.

What they are doing is tying to justify themselves, they should be secure enough in their decision to not need public backing.

There was also no need to hang Jack out to dry.

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

This is the main bit I have a problem with...

It should be between Jack and the FD (Coach) and not for public consumption.

What they are doing is tying to justify themselves, they should be secure enough in their decision to not need public backing.

There was also no need to hang Jack out to dry.

Maybe putting it in public is the last chance given to JW

No more discreet hiding

“you are now under the hammer pal”

1 minute ago, rjay said:

This is the main bit I have a problem with...

It should be between Jack and the FD (Coach) and not for public consumption.

What they are doing is tying to justify themselves, they should be secure enough in their decision to not need public backing.

There was also no need to hang Jack out to dry.

Perhaps the FD were keeping it in house until Jack Watts decided to go and do an interview about how he wants to stay. None of us really know exactly what has transpired, but I'm pretty sure Jack would have known by then about what the FD's plans were. Either way it's irrelevant, the FD have a higher standard of what Jack's output should be versus what Jack does. If you listen to Josh Mahoney's interview yesterday on SEN I think it's clear to all what the situation is. I don't understand the angst. If an employer wants a higher standard of output from an employee and they don't get it they are entitled to move that employee on. That's pretty much what is happening and Jack isn't or doesn't want to listen. The ball is in his court either way.