1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

Why? For voicing a thought?

Yep a dumb thought, Sylvia was an undisciplined bum that didn't care about his teammates, Petracca is the opposite 

Surely Oliver gets a 9.5... pretty hard to fault his season. 

Statistically the best ever 2nd year player, and without a doubt our most consistent performer this year averaging 30 disposals a game!

Definitely one of the highlights of the year.

Gawn my real lowlight. Yes he was injured, but gees he has stunk it up in the last few weeks when we really needed him!

I think these are all pretty fair. Bit high for Oscar but fair enough

Jetta AA nomination

Garlett AA nomination

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Jetta AA nomination

Garlett AA nomination

Hibberd AA nomination

and best of the lot Oliver should have been an AA nomination

Edited August 28, 20177 yr by Redleg

8 hours ago, Billy said:

Yep a dumb thought, Sylvia was an undisciplined bum that didn't care about his teammates, Petracca is the opposite 

And just like Sylvia Petracca shows five minute bursts of greatness followed by nothing.

I hope it doesn't end the same way but I can't help but think it smells similar so far. I hope Trac doesn't end the same way, but I also thought Sylvia became lazy and wasn't lazy early in his career.

13 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I love Petracca but I keep getting this in my head.

Petracca - our new Sylvia...

Pretty tough - Pet is hard at it and generally a great user of the ball, and far more dedicated than Col.

The only similarity could be that CP5 just needs to put in one good preseason then will star consistently.

And of course one big omission from our listed players for 2017 

Lumumba -  all about H (again, still)

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Pretty tough - Pet is hard at it and generally a great user of the ball, and far more dedicated than Col.

The only similarity could be that CP5 just needs to put in one good preseason then will star consistently.

And of course one big omission from our listed players for 2017 

Lumumba -  all about H (again, still)

 

 

 

It's more in output than attitude. Sylvia was skilled but didn't produce regulary. I get the same feeling with Trac. And it worries me. I'm probably bring paranoid but it's a nagging little voice in my noggin. 

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

Nonsense. Sylvia couldn't even lick his boots.

I agree Petracca is already better & will improve once he becomes fitter. Sylvia was a party boy

Nice work although would say Jetta slowed towards the end but I remember him taking the game on with his quick sidestep and running away more than ever . And as you said Great smarts to know where to place himself defend first mentality. 

Enjoyed these this year, Joeboy.

Pretty fair all round for mine. Saw glimpses of Hogan last week, but all in all it's been a shocker for the bloke.

Gawn - FORMER AA ruckman

2 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

And just like Sylvia Petracca shows five minute bursts of greatness followed by nothing.

I hope it doesn't end the same way but I can't help but think it smells similar so far. I hope Trac doesn't end the same way, but I also thought Sylvia became lazy and wasn't lazy early in his career.

He won't.  Petracca cares.

Petracca was truly gutted when the siren went. 

Col would have gone and joked and laughed with Howe and Dunn.

 

16 hours ago, joeboy said:

Jones - always the warrior ( 8 )

Viney - injuries cruelled year ( 6 )

Hogan - year from hell ( 3 )

Salem - only occasional glimpses ( 5 )

Watts - impressive first half ( 6 )

Petracca - teased and underperformed ( 5 )

Lewis - performed as expected ( 7.5 )

Trengove - cannot be retained ( 3 )

Brayshaw - understandably limited output ( 4 )

Gawn - disappointing and underwhelming ( 5 )

Tyson - lacking basic skills ( 5 )

Oliver - talented and consistent ( 8.5 )

Hibberd - decade-best recruit ( 8.5 )

Stretch - has gone backwards ( 3 )

Kent - little to commend ( 3 )

Frost - fine first half ( 6.5 )

Melksham - a surprise packet ( 6.5)

Hannan - made an impression ( 6 )

Pedersen - rough but capable ( 7 )

Vince - slowing and mistakeridden ( 5 )

Kennedy-Harris - not Goodwin's favourite ( 3 )

T.McDonald - highs and lows ( 6.5 )

Weideman - far from ready ( 3 )

O.McDonald - coming of age ( 7.5 )

Hunt - exciting but tired ( 7 )

Neal-Bullen - break out year ( 6 )

Bugg - tried but limited ( 5 )

Spencer - little to assess ( 3 )

Garlett - exciting but restricted ( 6.5 )

Jetta - slow but cunning ( 7 )

White - didn't show enough ( 3 )

Wagner - rarely imbued confidence ( 4 )

Harmes - occasionally stood out ( 5.5 )

 

Thanks Joe boy. I always look forward to these posts after each game.  I am wondering if you would consider taking this list above and then doing a prediction for the same time next year for each as to what you think might be scored for players then. e.g. although Brayshaw was a 4 above, I am hoping he'll be an 8.5 next year.  Just asking, no pressure to have a shot at this.

 

Thanks for the efforts this season.

 

Actual outcomes is where I'd rather do the evaluating

Missing games through injury or suspension affects the overall score.  Some players average score per game might be different but if a player doesn't play or is not available, he's of no real value. 

I don't necessarily mean that as a criticism - it's more of a matter of fact analysis.

Jones - 6.5

Viney - 6

Hogan - 2.5

Salem - 4.5

Watts - 4.5

Petracca - 5.5

Lewis - 7

Trengove - 1

Brayshaw - 2.5

Gawn - 4

Tyson - 5.5

Oliver - 9

Hibberd - 8

Stretch - 1.5

Kent - 1

Frost - 5

Melksham - 5.5

Hannan - 3

Pedersen - 5

Vince - 5

Kennedy-Harris - 1.5

T.McDonald - 6.5

Weideman - 1.5

O.McDonald - 5.5

Hunt - 7

Neal-Bullen - 5.5

Bugg - 3

Spencer - 2

Garlett - 5

Jetta - 6.5

White - 1

Wagner - 2

Harmes - 3.5

For various reasons, the club could have expected a higher return (or in some cases, a much higher return) from Jones,  Viney,  Hogan,  Salem,  Watts,  Brayshaw,  Gawn,  Tyson & Vince.   If that had have happened, we may have even challenged for a top 4 spot.

Any club that wants to contend needs it's best players playing well in a large majority of the games.  And at least 12 - 14 of those 'best' players are needed.  And they have to be good players.

As an aside, the B & F numbers nearly always gives us a clear picture of the value of all the players.  Players that finish outside of at least the top 10-12 are generally not productive enough.

Some of the numbers that I've attached to the players are awfully low but it should be remembered that the score is for the actual outcome of each player for the entire season.

Gawn was brilliant until the injury. Never recovered his form post his return

Think the 3 is unfair for Hogan, he had a much better output than the other 3's, when he played.

I think TMcD year was his career best; still needs to bring his best to most of the games. Still only 24.

Petracca is still a developing player; and I would think calling him underperforming is being harsh.

Bugg was great early, his suspension really cost us. Melksham did do well in his position though.

Melksham did improve his accuracy by foot this season, so there is hope for Tyson.

50 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He won't.  Petracca cares.

Petracca was truly gutted when the siren went. 

Col would have gone and joked and laughed with Howe and Dunn.

 

I think I'm just expecting the worst...

Hibbert - ineffective ball use

Lewis - liability on spread

MFC - lacks creative players

 

joeboy - pretty good assessment.