On 2017-6-5 at 11:56 AM, Soidee said:

As a club we need to move beyond recruiting spuds!  Tippett is an overpaid spud.  We want consistent hard nuts with class coming to our club.

 

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

Don't let him in and spoil our list.  rotten fruit, or vegetable kind.  he'll stink up the place.

This thread seems to have morphed into dietary advice.

I'm surprised people aren't interested in taking him for the right price. A Ruck/Forward is exactly a position we lack. 

Weids is far from AFL ready and will need a lot of time to develop his body and engine in the VFL

Tmac and Watts aren't ruckman. I give credit to them both for filling the void but to be a better team we can't continue on like this. 

Tmac needs to be pushed back and stay permanently back to ensure Omac has time to develop. 

The other option whom I don't mind is Paeds who needs to play every week from now on when a true ruckman comes in. At the moment he's our best Ruck/Forward and he definitely tries hard. Was surprised he didn't play over Weids at the start of the season. 

A goal kicking ruckman such as Tippet would be ideal for our team and take the emphasis on Hogan and provide us with more options. 

Reminds me of the time Dutchy Holland went to collect the ball in the clear... and it went straight between his legs. 

Tippets a pass for me, games moved on and he's struggled. 

Need a young mobile ruck/forward who's got an engine, a forward Frosty with 5 cm more height. Put Jase onto it!

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

DD... let's consider that. He had a few decent seasons. He then hasn't , for a number of reasons granted. The nett result though isn't that flash. His halcyon days are well past.

What value is he NOW ? Not much in my . 

 The getting of Tippert offers what ?

Fwiw the Weed's been just as 'dynamic' as ol Kurt....but at least his future is likely to get better. KT is getting worse. His dicky knee ( cue HHIS) doesn't do him any favours.

Hed be a list clogger immediately.

So what's the point

Yeah I can see your disdain, and I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't well founded.

I think what it comes down to is your question of what value he is now. I'd say he's a 3 year top up player for any side that's threatening and wants a player who can ruck well, lead, mark the ball at its highest and kick straight. In terms of ability, he's exactly what you want in a ruck/forward.. which is the current in vogue player type going round.

He comes with baggage, and no form, that's for sure... But when you're looking at speculative guys, that's basically all you can be in the market for. We could make an offer for Jenkins (not much better IMO), but it would require a hefty price.

Does he have value? Yeah I really think he does. Any team that's light on for seasoned ruckmen, or that are playing one ruck in the guts all year with no assistance will take a serious look at Kurt as a 2-3 year stop gap. You're right about what his value is now. I think it's no more than a third rounder. They'll ask for a second rounder though and that's what they'll get, should it come to that.

Dunno that the Weed comparison is relevant, other than to say he takes up space inside fifty and a spot in the 22. Weed hasn't shown he has anything to offer in the ruck, which is really my interest here. Help for Gawn. I don't think we have that "help for Gawn" type guy on the list.

I see a spot for him if things shake out the way they look like shaking out with our talls. Not a list clogger spot either. Just a top up guy that takes care of business for the next three years in which we'll be looking at finals.

I understand though if people feel more like looking at youth. I don't really care either way. I'm more interested in the drafting over the next few years, particularly in relation to KP players.

14 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think we've gone after Levi hard on at least two trade weeks in the last 6 years.  I think  Neeld was very keen on trying to get him over, and Pederson was a consolation prize.

He's out of contract at the end of the year and, according to this article anyway, considers himself underpaid at Carlton:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-forward-levi-casboult-has-resigned-with-the-blues-until-the-end-of-the-2017-season/news-story/078c1fbf91c12d0227943b29334916be

 

 

Added bonus in getting Levi would be to contribute further to the Blues' forward-line diaspora.

Betts    Casboult   Garlett

Waite   Kennedy   I'm Forgetting Someone

4 hours ago, Skuit said:

Added bonus in getting Levi would be to contribute further to the Blues' forward-line diaspora.

Betts    Casboult   Garlett

Waite   Kennedy   I'm Forgetting Someone

Fevola

6 hours ago, Skuit said:

Added bonus in getting Levi would be to contribute further to the Blues' forward-line diaspora.

Betts    Casboult   Garlett

Waite   Kennedy   I'm Forgetting Someone

Troy Menzel? Tom Bell? Mitch Robinson?

42 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Troy Menzel? Tom Bell? Mitch Robinson?

Mitch will do.

13 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah I can see your disdain, and I didn't mean to suggest it wasn't well founded.

I think what it comes down to is your question of what value he is now. I'd say he's a 3 year top up player for any side that's threatening and wants a player who can ruck well, lead, mark the ball at its highest and kick straight. In terms of ability, he's exactly what you want in a ruck/forward.. which is the current in vogue player type going round.

He comes with baggage, and no form, that's for sure... But when you're looking at speculative guys, that's basically all you can be in the market for. We could make an offer for Jenkins (not much better IMO), but it would require a hefty price.

Does he have value? Yeah I really think he does. Any team that's light on for seasoned ruckmen, or that are playing one ruck in the guts all year with no assistance will take a serious look at Kurt as a 2-3 year stop gap. You're right about what his value is now. I think it's no more than a third rounder. They'll ask for a second rounder though and that's what they'll get, should it come to that.

Dunno that the Weed comparison is relevant, other than to say he takes up space inside fifty and a spot in the 22. Weed hasn't shown he has anything to offer in the ruck, which is really my interest here. Help for Gawn. I don't think we have that "help for Gawn" type guy on the list.

I see a spot for him if things shake out the way they look like shaking out with our talls. Not a list clogger spot either. Just a top up guy that takes care of business for the next three years in which we'll be looking at finals.

I understand though if people feel more like looking at youth. I don't really care either way. I'm more interested in the drafting over the next few years, particularly in relation to KP players.

DD. My only real reservation is to where he is NOW..  At one time he was more than handy but he seems that player that has a good spell and them dines off of it for ever more til no one wants to shout the beers.

He's ALREADY passed his used by date imho. He just goes through the motions. He doesnt seem to have his head in games. I think many of his fellow swannies have twigged to this .

I understand where your argument comes from in so much as ...an experienced KP  player..tall mobile  yadda yadda etc.. Another experienced hand out there is actually ideal. I agree. Not him though.  He's cooked now , let alone three years hence.   Shame in a fashion

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Shame in a fashion

Yeah. His career's been a massive disappointment. He's been on the cusp of breaking out so long, and now he's 30.

If there's any truth to this so-called rumour we're reading here, I wouldn't find it hard to believe. I have a suspicion that the club feels it has its future ruck/forward guy at the club already in Fili, Keilty, King etc... and just needs someone to hold down the spot for a couple of years while they stack on another 20 kgs. Oh, and to give Weed more time and less pressure. I don't mind it, as it's speculative... and if you want to pay bargain basement, you have to look into that crystal ball and try and predict what a solid pre season will do for him. Yes NOW he's average. But in 12 months at whatever club he ends up at, what will he be?

I have a feeling this is all moot anyway, as he'll end up somewhere like Bulldogs.

30 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

I have a feeling this is all moot anyway, as he'll end up somewhere like Bulldogs.

Cloke's replacement ? 

Seriously...about the only hypothetical you'd entertain might be if Swans all but gift him and pay the chunk of his money for 2 years. 

You'd only take him for 2 years.

Still prefer to pass 

Absolute gun but always injured

Dropped for the game tomorrow 

31 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Dropped for the game tomorrow 

Close thread lol

It's a no from me. Not because he's shithouse but because his name is Kurt.

 

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Cloke's replacement ? 

Seriously...about the only hypothetical you'd entertain might be if Swans all but gift him and pay the chunk of his money for 2 years. 

You'd only take him for 2 years.

Still prefer to pass 

Was thinking more as a ruck. They just can't get anyone on the park either as a KP forward OR ruck. 

I don't own a hat. But I'll go out and buy one just to eat it if we end up with Kurt. Seems to fly in the face of what we've been trying to create as our player model. Where did these rumours come from?

Supporters of teams are a funny lot. If he was one of our own, I'm sure the excuses would be coming left, right and centre in regards to form, injury, being dropped, pay etc.

Clearly, the guy can play. At his best he is a monster and that can't be argued. His best is very very good. 

The question is whether or not he can get back to his best and for the right price I'd absolutely be all for bringing him to the club. 

He seems off at Sydney and maybe a change would be welcome for him. 

Edited June 7, 20178 yr by stevethemanjordan

On the radio this morning the commentators noted that he will be paid $39,000 to play in the reserves just for this week!

The guys he will be playing with could be earning $250 for the game.

He's a taller version of Chris Dawes.

Lock him in to kick six against us this year.

IMO the game is moving past the need for a second ruckman. Richmond are currently winning games with Caddy as the second tall forward along with Riewoldt. The Bulldogs have been using Dunkley and Jong as the second ruck at times this year. I heard the Foxfooty commentators the other day discussing if the Giants will be able to play a forward line of Patton, Lobb and Cameron and the general view was that it was too tall. It seems that maintaining manic tackling pressure is more important than winning hit outs or being a chance to take two contested marks per game. And Tippet is not a tackler, so it is a no from me.

Personally, I feel that Watts and Pederson are better forwards in the modern game and that they can do a reasonable job in the ruck as relief for Gawn.

24 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He's a taller version of Chris Dawes.

Lock him in to kick six against us this year.

at Casey ? 

we nearly had him a couple of years back

we cant keep putting watts in as second or even first ruck, 

a changing forward / ruck as back up is what we need, sure on a lessor deal and maybe 1 year with a option of 2 

Sydney are offering a set of steak knives and he will come very cheap , how many more games would we have won this year ?

if we had another backup ruck/forward 

he might be the same here but for what we will have to give up and the room we have in our salary cap, 

its worth a try. I see him as a Dawes/ Holland type back up , but at much less cost 

 

 

Tip will be on the bargain table for a very good reason.

He'll be near 31 come next season. That of itself is not to condemn him but he struggles NOW . This won't get any better.

He's not a certain starter , not too flash anymore even when on the park.

I think a lot of folk are remembering his better days. They are long LONG gone hence the big elbow from Sydney.

I really hope we don't look at players like KT. He's had his day.

Rookie spot for Tippet, Sydney pay 75% of his contract , I know he is a mercenary but could he be worse that Harry O... Lumumba?

We could mess Sydney around discussing Tippet and then swoop on Jones.